Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you?

[RobGentner]

Just Asking4 Why would you have so much trust in a Book put together in the 4th century by a church you obviously do not agree with or trust? But you do not believe things that were written in the first or second century that the same church takes as truth.

I don’t believe you are looking for the truth. It seems your mind is closed and you are just trying to shake the faith of catholics or trying to convert them to your faith.

After over 700 post, your not doing well. Even I, as a new catholic am not moved one bit by your arguments. After spending most of my life learning from the Bible and praying many times all during the day, listening to ministers from many different protestant faiths, too many to list, I have found the Catholic Church to be the only church that is really following the Bible.

As for praying to the Blessed Mother of God and the saints, I felt a little uneasy about that. But I knew God was leading me that way so I began to pray to him and ask that he help me with this if it was his will for me to become catholic.

He answered very quickly as the first few times I prayed the rosary, I felt more close to God than ever in my life. My eyes were opened to things in the Bible that I had read but never seen.
It was like, where did that come from. I read that so many times and never realize it said that.

It has been a awesome experience. The only thing that has been better is the time I have spent in Mass. Spending time before the Holy Eucharist is the greatest thing about being catholic.

I have been to many pentecostal services that would get you so emotional, but when you go before the Holy Eucharist in silence and come away feeling you have been at the feet of God, the emotional service can’t compare. You also know it was not a experience that was brought on by the right music, preaching, etc., The peace and joy you feel is something you could never experience anywhere but in presence of God in the Eucharist.

Even if I disagreed with the church on some issue, I know I can never be content without the Eucharist.

Please pray to God with an open attitude, ready to accept his truth even if it is completely different from what you might believe now.

**Jan,

I read your post and understand that it came from your heart. I am a cradle catholic and understand exactly what you are saying about the Eucharist. Protestants really can not be expected to feel what they have never experienced. Jesus said that when two or mor gather in his name he would be there and He is spiritually. What a difference when the Eucharist is present, Jesus is there Physically and spiritually.The poor Protestants can never feel the fullness of religion that real catholics feel. I will confess I did not have any devotion to Mary at all, until I became a Knight of Columbus, we have a special devotion to Mary. When I started to pray the rosary my faith deepened and the love of our faith made me want to become more Christ like.

Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53). He stresed that He really meant His Body and Blood. It was not meant to be taken figuratively and when Jesus explained that many of His followers left Him.

In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the entire Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained and offered to us for our salvation.

There is a group of us that have started praying for all the people who use the screen name JustAsking4. We know that they know of Jesus, and the Bible, it is apparent they do not know Jesus. They worry about what isn’t written in the Bible, rather then what is! How off balance is that? Poor lost souls.

We have started to pray One Hail Mary for JustAsking4 daily. The power of the Blessed Mother and prayers to her will soften the hearst of the Justasking4 group that is for sure. All we have to do is pray and believe.

God Bless**

 

[rinnie]

The defintion has nothing to do with sin. The phrase “hail favored one” is a greeting because she was chosen by God to bring the Christ into world by God using her body to make it possible. There is no requirement on the part of Mary to be without sin to make this possible.

Sorry ja4 I meant full of Grace, Again How can Mary be full of Grace and still have sin, you have not answered my Question? Again FULL OF GRACE. How can she be FULL OF GRACE AND HAVE SIN! When once again Grace is the complete opposite of sin! How can this be possible. And FULL OF GRACE is what the bible says, does it not!

 

[Good_Fella]

Where does this idea -“God’s grace is channelled to the Christian community through our Blessed Mother’s solicitations” come from? This certainly was not taught by the Lord Jesus or His apostles.

Why do you need Mary to have direct access to the merits of Christ’s Precious Blood?

There is no grounds in Scripture for this kind exhortation.

As I mentioned above, the Queen Mother served as advocate to the people in obtaining favours for the king’s subjects who approached the king through her. Jesus is King of kings in the royal line of David, and Mary is his mother, which makes her our Gebirah.

But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid Mary, you have found favour with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Luke 1, 30-33

“But why am I so favoured that the mother of my Lord should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the child in my womb leaped for joy.”
Luke 1, 43-44

When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”

"Dear woman, why do you involve me? Jesus replied, “My time has not yet come.”

His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
John 2, 3-5

Then he took the cup, gave thanks, and offered it to them saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Matthew 26: 27-29

When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.”
John 19:26-27

To begin with, Jesus got his blood from his mother Mary.

“The New Testament lies hidden in the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament.”
St. Augustine

 

[RobGentner]

justasking4:

It could just as easily be shown in some respects how quickly the church was allowing unbilical teachings into the church at a very early stage.

I would counter Newman with this: To know the Scriptures is to be Protestant.

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two things your first remark: Wrong

second: I would countewr you with this: To LIVE the scriputers is to be Catholic!**

 

[RobGentner]

Sorry ja4 I meant full of Grace, Again How can Mary be full of Grace and still have sin, you have not answered my Question? Again FULL OF GRACE. How can she be FULL OF GRACE AND HAVE SIN! When once again Grace is the complete opposite of sin! How can this be possible. And FULL OF GRACE is what the bible says, does it not!

**
Hi rinnie, Say one Hail mary ad offer it for Justasking4. That will be more effective than trying to change their mind without using Mary’s help wouldn’t it?

God Bless**

 

[Peter_J]

The defintion has nothing to do with sin. The phrase “hail favored one” is a greeting because she was chosen by God to bring the Christ into world by God using her body to make it possible.

I think this gets right to the key issue: Gabriel didn’t simply call her “favored”.

He called her “kecharitomene”. I’m not a linguist, but I know that “kecharitomene” doesn’t simply mean “favored” – which even Protestant translators admit, since they translate it as “highly favored”. (As I mentioned before, the term used in Ephesians 1:6 is “echaritosen”, which has the same root but does not mean the same as “kecharitomene”.)

 

[RobGentner]

I think this gets right to the key issue: Gabriel didn’t simply call her “favored”.

He called her “kecharitomene”. I’m not a linguist, but I know that “kecharitomene” doesn’t simply mean “favored” – which even Protestant translators admit, since they translate it as “highly favored”. (As I mentioned before, the term used in Ephesians 1:6 is “echaritosen”, which has the same root but does not mean the same as “kecharitomene”.)

**Pete do you want to win? Stop fighting! Pray! It is that easy!

god Bless**

 

[guanophore]

Grace may at times give you the power to turn from sin but that does not mean you are sinless or cannot sin again. Grace does not make one sinless if they were concieved in a fallen condition that all men inherit from Adam. See Romans 5:12

Such a statement reveals a gross deficiency in the understanding of grace. Your statement is not biblical. Grace, indeed does make one sinless, even when they are conceived in a fallen condition. It is statements like this that reveal you do not even understand what happens in baptism. This is why I say you are not ready to move on to "higher"things. You have not yet finished laying a foundation of faith.

 

[RobGentner]

Such a statement reveals a gross deficiency in the understanding of grace. Your statement is not biblical. Grace, indeed does make one sinless, even when they are conceived in a fallen condition. It is statements like this that reveal you do not even understand what happens in baptism. This is why I say you are not ready to move on to "higher"things. You have not yet finished laying a foundation of faith.

**guan, read post #741 and# 743


God Bless**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

The defintion has nothing to do with sin. The phrase “hail favored one” is a greeting because she was chosen by God to bring the Christ into world by God using her body to make it possible. There is no requirement on the part of Mary to be without sin to make this possible.

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Hi Justasking4
Not sure what you are saying. Can you clarify? You now agree that mary was without Sin? GREAT! Who said “hail favored one”? I can’t think of any teaching in the Scriptures where this is said. Do you have a reference? Should these writers who wrote these things be rebuked for doing so?Who does this “Hail favored one” apply to? How are we as individuals to apply this to ourselves? Should we? Mary was “Full of Grace”, Should we include this “Hail Favored One” into our prayers also? Is that How you Protestants pray? You pray the “Hail Favored One”? Your claim cannot be sustained by Scripture for the mere fact it does not completely followed the Scripture’s teachings and practices as outlings by the Catholic Church. Can you explain?**

 

[guanophore]

The defintion has nothing to do with sin.

Such a statement reveals a gross ignorance about the nature of sin, and grace. I think you will have to go back to your Bible, ja4 and spend some time on this. Whatever bible classes you are having are woefully inadequate. Grace is what prevents and cleanses us from sin. When a person is full of Grace,there is no room for sin.

The phrase “hail favored one” is a greeting because she was chosen by God to bring the Christ into world by God using her body to make it possible. There is no requirement on the part of Mary to be without sin to make this possible.

Well, we read it differently.

Catholics believe that the flesh of Mary was used to create the body of Jesus,a nd that something unclean cannot be used to create that which is clean.

 

[rinnie]

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Hi rinnie, Say one Hail mary ad offer it for Justasking4. That will be more effective than trying to change their mind without using Mary’s help wouldn’t it?

God Bless**

Amen My friend Amen!

 

[happilycatholic]

To LIVE the scriputers is to be Catholic!

Best statement on the entire forum! That should be your signature Rob.

 

[happilycatholic]

Such a statement reveals a gross ignorance about the nature of sin, and grace. I think you will have to go back to your Bible, ja4 and spend some time on this. Whatever bible classes you are having are woefully inadequate. Grace is what prevents and cleanses us from sin. When a person is full of Grace,there is no room for sin.

Well, we read it differently.

Catholics believe that the flesh of Mary was used to create the body of Jesus,a nd that something unclean cannot be used to create that which is clean.

I see JustAsking is up to her usual rhetoric about our Virgin Mother. I think your observation about Grace is probably the best I’ve seen. It cannot be both ways. JA can argue till the cows come home and it won’t change that.

 

[Henning]

**Jan,

There is a group of us that have started praying for all the people who use the screen name JustAsking4**. We know that they know of Jesus, and the Bible, it is apparent they do not know Jesus. They worry about what isn’t written in the Bible, rather then what is! How off balance is that? Poor lost souls.

God Bless

I thought she was a he, but now she is a they???

(nevermind):compcoff:

 

[Realcatholicgk]

I thought she was a he, but now she is a they???

(nevermind):compcoff:

**We believe that “they” are some kind of fundamentalist “group” There actually may even be more than two. He is more angry and arrogant. He spells very well, has a larger vocabulary. He is the one that posted the last several postings here. She doesn’t spell as good as he does. (because of the nicer things she says and the eway she says them, we believe she is a female) and often uses a small " i " when talking about herelf. That may be a sign of real low self esteme, caused by abuse. If you go back and read some of Justasking4The100thTimes postings (Yea, I know it hurts to even think of doing it, but it is interesting! ) you will notice a difference in writing styles and arrogance level. Of course, we could be wrong! Iit could just be another sign of mental illness! **

 

[janw]

**We believe that “they” are some kind of fundamentalist “group” There actually may even be more than two. He is more angry and arrogant. He spells very well, has a larger vocabulary. He is the one that posted the last several postings here. She doesn’t spell as good as he does. (because of the nicer things she says and the eway she says them, we believe she is a female) and often uses a small " i " when talking about herelf. That may be a sign of real low self esteme, caused by abuse. If you go back and read some of Justasking4The100thTimes postings (Yea, I know it hurts to even think of doing it, but it is interesting! ) you will notice a difference in writing styles and arrogance level. Of course, we could be wrong! Iit could just be another sign of mental illness! **

I agree and also think they are posting under more than one name. I also agree with Rob, praying the Hail Mary or Rosary for them is the best thing we can do.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

I agree and also think they are posting under more than one name. I also agree with Rob, praying the Hail Mary or Rosary for them is the best thing we can do.

**We have been looking at that also. There are several that post simular things. May just be another nut (Can I say that? Oh well I just did!) It tells you how bored we are we have time to waste looking at how long they post without being off line (12 hours was the longest with constant postings!) And some of us “follow” them from Thread to thread and copy and paste the answers they receive so that when they ask again on another thread, they get the exact same answer. They normally don’t even notice! A couple of us “play” with them. Asking stupid questions back at them, etc. He gets angry some times She has a better sense of humor and sometimes plays back.

Yea the Hail Mary is a great idea. I added them to my Rosary a week ago. Prayer is the best offense we have to defend ourselves and the faith from demonic attacks!

God Bless **

 

[justasking4]

rinnie;4400847]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Grace may at times give you the power to turn from sin but that does not mean you are sinless or cannot sin again. Grace does not make one sinless if they were concieved in a fallen condition that all men inherit from Adam. See Romans 5:12

rinnie
What does the Blessed Mother being FULL OF GRACE, have to do with Adam and Eve falling from Grace.

Everything. Mary inherited their sin nature via her conception by her parents. Her parents also inherited their sin nature from their parents.

rinnie
I never said you could not fall from grace I said the Blessed Mother was Full of Grace which meant there is no room for sin.

Go back and check the definition. There is no mention in that definition that a person is such a state has no room to sin.

rinnie
And again if the Blessed Mother was full of Grace as the bible states how could she have sin.

Goes back to her inheriting her sin nature from her parents all the way back to Adam.

And where in the world did it ever say she fell from Grace? And if you cannot show me where she indeed fell from Grace, she must have remained FULL OF GRACE the way the bible states which in part means sinless!

The Bible does not mention any fall from grace. It doesn’t mention that kind of thing for most people in the Scriptures either. Should we assume they to never fell from grace?

 

[justasking4]

**We have been looking at that also. There are several that post simular things. May just be another nut (Can I say that? Oh well I just did!) It tells you how bored we are we have time to waste looking at how long they post without being off line (12 hours was the longest with constant postings!) And some of us “follow” them from Thread to thread and copy and paste the answers they receive so that when they ask again on another thread, they get the exact same answer. They normally don’t even notice! A couple of us “play” with them. Asking stupid questions back at them, etc. He gets angry some times She has a better sense of humor and sometimes plays back.

Yea the Hail Mary is a great idea. I added them to my Rosary a week ago. Prayer is the best offense we have to defend ourselves and the faith from demonic attacks!

God Bless **

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