Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you?

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
Do you think that she had a better understanding how throughout her life that she was always living a life well pleasing to God by this salutation? Do you think it helped her to understand why she never sinned?

jmcrae;
This is a matter for speculation. I’m not sure how my opinion on this would be helpful to your understanding of official Church teaching.

I would think that if Mary was truly without sin throughout her life she would have been aware of this but there is no hint of it. The Lord Jesus comes right out and challenges the leaders to find any sin in Him. He certainly was aware that He never sinned. Statements from His Father that He is well pleased with Him and Jesus’ proclaimination that He always does what it pleasing in His sight are indications of sinlessness. John 8:29

We never see this kind of thing on the lips of Mary or on anyone who knew her.

 

[AshleyBelle]

I would think that if Mary was truly without sin throughout her life she would have been aware of this but there is no hint of it. The Lord Jesus comes right out and challenges the leaders to find any sin in Him. He certainly was aware that He never sinned. Statements from His Father that He is well pleased with Him and Jesus’ proclaimination that He always does what it pleasing in His sight are indications of sinlessness. John 8:29

We never see this kind of thing on the lips of Mary or on anyone who knew her.

Ja4… If you have a day, a week, or any period in your life where you have followed God so closely, and truly allowed yourself to love Him fully… So much that for that period of time, you had been so focussed on God that you didn’t sin at ALL… Would you run around saying “look look! I haven’t sinned all week! I am SO good and Godly!” Do you think that’s what Mary should have done, because of her protection and grace from God?

 

[justasking4]

Ja4… If you have a day, a week, or any period in your life where you have followed God so closely, and truly allowed yourself to love Him fully… So much that for that period of time, you had been so focussed on God that you didn’t sin at ALL… Would you run around saying “look look! I haven’t sinned all week! I am SO good and Godly!” Do you think that’s what Mary should have done, because of her protection and grace from God?

I don’t think it works like this for us. The reason is that we are fallen and when the HS comes into us to take up residence so to speak (Romans 8:9, 11) He convicts us of the sins in our lives. Not just sins of actions but of attitudes and thoughts. Who can truly claim to be without sin when we have the “principle of evil” in our members? (Romans 7:21-- read from 7:14-23 to understand this in context).
So long as we live in unredeemed human bodies i.e. fallen flesh we will always have to contend with sin.

I was reading somewhere where someone had calculated the number of sins done over a 50 year period. If you sin just 10 times a day everyday for 50 years you will have sinned over 182,000 sins. These are sins in action, thoughts, speech and attitudes. If you came before a judge with such a rap sheet like this you can imagine what the judge would do.

But thanks be to God Who praid the price for all these sins…

 

[Realcatholicgk]

I would think that if Mary was truly without sin throughout her life she would have been aware of this
**She was **

but there is no hint of it.

**There isn’t Oh, I forgot you don’t have sacred oral History and fotr some strange reason deny the sacred written tradition. **

The Lord Jesus comes right out and challenges the leaders to find any sin in Him.

**Yea Jesus! **

He certainly was aware that He never sinned.

**Like Mother, Like son! **

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Statements from His Father that He is well pleased with Him and Jesus’ proclaimination that He always does what it pleasing in His sight are indications of sinlessness. John 8:29

That is why we love Him and His Mom so much!

We never see this kind of thing on the lips of Mary or on anyone who knew her.

**Yea, wasn’t she awesome. So shy and humble! I think that being a woman back in those days was really tough. All they were were personal servants. Have you ever read the Bible? Boy, some of the things in there are shocking. **

**Thank God, Mary was sinless so she can Intercede for you and me! Hail Mary, FULL OF GRACE~! **

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Do you think that she had a better understanding how throughout her life that she was always living a life well pleasing to God by this salutation? Do you think it helped her to understand why she never sinned?

**Hi JA4, How is the family? **

**Boy you ask the hard questions. Who could know what she thought? Have you ever read the Bible? It is a bunch of books, the newest ones are about Jesus. Do you know that even with everything they wrote, they never said: “Jesus Thought…” I am serious! Not one time. If you ever have time, read it some time! I recommedn the Catholic version of course, it doesn’t have the lies and distrosions that that King’s version has! **
**Anyway, how could we know what his mother thought?Protestants are much better then Catholics at making stuff up why not ask some of them? Like always it probably won’t be the exact truth, but it might help. **
I can tell you one thing. She must have been really surprised when Her Son assumed her up into Heaven Body and Soul. Oh, how proud she must have felt! Lets praise God! It is funny how every one wants to know what she did, what she thought, if she knew she was sinless before birth. What difference does it make actually? We must remember she is only a creation! After all it is her Son that is really important. He died for our sins. She didn’t! Lest remember that although sinless she was still less than Jesus. Of course, she was more then we ever could be, however, she was still less then Jesus! I remember the words that Epiphanius said in 377 A.D.: “Let them search the scriptures. They will not find Mary’s death; they will not find whether she died or did not die; they will not find whether she was buried or was not buried. More than that: John journeyed to Asia, yet nowhere do we read that he took the holy Virgin with him. Rather, scripture is silent [on Mary’s end] because of the extraordinary nature of the prodigy, in order not to shock the minds of men…Neither do I maintain stoutly that she died…Did she die? We do not know. At all events, if she was buried, she had no carnal intercourse…Or she remained alive, since nothing is impossible with God and he can do whatever he desires.” All I can add to that is: Hail Mary, Mother of God, you are inded Full of Grace!

 

[justasking4]

Realcatholicgk;4414370]

riginally Posted by justasking4
I would think that if Mary was truly without sin throughout her life she would have been aware of this
Realcatholicgk
She was
justasking4
but there is no hint of it.

Realcatholicgk
There isn’t Oh, I forgot you don’t have sacred oral History and fotr some strange reason deny the sacred written tradition.

Are you claiming in “have sacred oral History” this is mentioned? If so can you show me where in sacred oral History this is found?

justasking4
The Lord Jesus comes right out and challenges the leaders to find any sin in Him.

Realcatholicgk
Yea Jesus!
justasking4
He certainly was aware that He never sinned.
Realcatholicgk
Like Mother, Like son!

Not so. Mary never makes such a claim nor does anyone else in Scripture.

justasking4
Statements from His Father that He is well pleased with Him and Jesus’ proclaimination that He always does what it pleasing in His sight are indications of sinlessness. John 8:29
Realcatholicgk
That is why we love Him and His Mom so much!
justasking4
We never see this kind of thing on the lips of Mary or on anyone who knew her.
Realcatholicgk
Yea, wasn’t she awesome. So shy and humble! I think that being a woman back in those days was really tough. All they were were personal servants.

Do we agree that she nor anyone else in Scripture ever makes such a claim that she was sinless?

Realcatholicgk
Have you ever read the Bible? Boy, some of the things in there are shocking.

I agree. However it never claims she was sinless.

Realcatholicgk
Thank God, Mary was sinless so she can Intercede for you and me! Hail Mary, FULL OF GRACE~!

You are asserting this claim without any support from Scripture. In fact if true would make other statements of Scripture false.

 

[justasking4]

Realcatholicgk;4414459]**
Originally Posted by justasking4
Do you think that she had a better understanding how throughout her life that she was always living a life well pleasing to God by this salutation? Do you think it helped her to understand why she never sinned?
Realcatholicgk
Hi JA4, How is the family?**

Fine. thanks for asking. Are you the one who has a son in armed forces? If so, is he still safe? I’ve been praying for him.

Realcatholicgk
Boy you ask the hard questions. Who could know what she thought? Have you ever read the Bible? It is a bunch of books, the newest ones are about Jesus. Do you know that even with everything they wrote, they never said: “Jesus Thought…” I am serious! Not one time. If you ever have time, read it some time! I recommedn the Catholic version of course, it doesn’t have the lies and distrosions that that King’s version has!

I have read the Scriptures and continue to do so quite a lot. I don’t use the King James but the NASB. It’s a more literal i.e. word for word translation. Its great for bible study

Anyway, how could we know what his mother thought? Protestants are much better then Catholics at making stuff up why not ask some of them? Like always it probably won’t be the exact truth, but it might help.

What stuff are you referring to that they make up?

I can tell you one thing. She must have been really surprised when Her Son assumed her up into Heaven Body and Soul. Oh, how proud she must have felt! Lets praise God! It is funny how every one wants to know what she did, what she thought, if she knew she was sinless before birth. What difference does it make actually?

This was one of the purposes of the apocrypha gospels of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The problem is that they fanciful tales of dubious worth.

We must remember she is only a creation! After all it is her Son that is really important. He died for our sins. She didn’t! Lest remember that although sinless she was still less than Jesus. Of course, she was more then we ever could be, however, she was still less then Jesus! I remember the words that Epiphanius said in 377 A.D.: “Let them search the scriptures. They will not find Mary’s death; they will not find whether she died or did not die; they will not find whether she was buried or was not buried. More than that: John journeyed to Asia, yet nowhere do we read that he took the holy Virgin with him. Rather, scripture is silent [on Mary’s end] because of the extraordinary nature of the prodigy, in order not to shock the minds of men…Neither do I maintain stoutly that she died…Did she die? We do not know. At all events, if she was buried, she had no carnal intercourse…Or she remained alive, since nothing is impossible with God and he can do whatever he desires.”

You accuse protestants of making things up and here is an example that shows was made up since no one knows what happened. Notice also there is no claim to some kind of Sacred Oral Traditions.

All I can add to that is: Hail Mary, Mother of God, you are inded Full of Grace!

 

[Gamera]

This was one of the purposes of the apocrypha gospels of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The problem is that they fanciful tales of dubious worth.

No, the problem is that none of them were inspired. “Fanciful tales” is a buzzword (well, a buzzphrase) used rather arbitrarily by those criticizing the deuterocanonical Old Testament books as “apocrypha.” “Fanciful tales” isn’t why the New Testament apocrypha got excluded. Lack of inspiration is why the New Testament apocrypha got excluded.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Fine. thanks for asking. Are you the one who has a son in armed forces? If so, is he still safe? I’ve been praying for him.

Nope, no kids, but thanks! I was there for 27 years myself

I have read the Scriptures and continue to do so quite a lot. I don’t use the King James but the NASB. It’s a more literal i.e. word for word translation. Its great for bible study

**With what you write, you expect people to believe you actually read the bible? :extrahappy: Come on! We know better! Don’t be ashamed! Its OK to admit that you don’t. We can see it anyway! I mean we aren’t all stupid! :console: **

What stuff are you referring to that they make up?

**Oh, this and that, too many to write. We are limited to 6,000 letters. I will mention Mary’s being Full of Grace, Communion of saints, Jesus’ real presence in the Eucharist. False prophets not leading catholics into Hell with them and other devil worshippers. You know the “normal” lies that they tell over and over again and again! **

This was one of the purposes of the apocrypha gospels of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. The problem is that they fanciful tales of dubious worth.

**There you go again! I may tell guan that you said that tonight at the secret Catholic Meeting. He will call you a liar again! **

You accuse protestants of making things up and here is an example that shows was made up since no one knows what happened. Notice also there is no claim to some kind of Sacred Oral Traditions.
JustAsking4The100thTime:

*Do you think that she had a better understanding how throughout her life that she was always living a life well pleasing to God by this salutation? Do you think it helped her to understand why she never sinned? *

But YOU were the one that did that. I explained that the Bible, that is a bunch of books written by the catholic church to be used in worship services, somehow some people started to misuse them to damn their souls into Hell! Isn’t that a shame?:crying: Poor Protestants!

**You make a lot of things up, even other Protestants laugh at you behind your back. But I am on your side. **

 

[adstrinity]

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[Realcatholicgk]

Are you claiming in “have sacred oral History” this is mentioned? If so can you show me where in sacred oral History this is found?

**Sure in Rome at the Vatican. If you want a copy submit RC Form 1023-R in triplicate. There is some kind of fee for non-catholics I think. I may be wrong. http://www.vatican.va/ I think the monks are still writing down the sacred Oral traditions, There should be a book out within 5 or 10 centries, I am sure There is a lot to write down! 2,000 years of truths to be recorded!. **

Not so. Mary never makes such a claim nor does anyone else in Scripture.

I would hope not. But we all know He was without sin also just like His mother. Are you acttually saying that you don’t believe Jesus was without sin also? OMG are you serious? You are mixing up personal errors with non-dogmatic errors.Do you realize that what you are saying here and throughout this post are assumptions, and not very good ones at that!

Do we agree that she nor anyone else in Scripture ever makes such a claim that she was sinless?

How would we think such foolishness. I don’t think either one of us is stupid! Did you know that the angel said she was “Full of Grace”? Doesn’t that prove she was sinless?

I agree. However it never claims she was sinless.

HAHAHA! :extrahappy: Like it had to. I mean it was written about God and His son. Any body can figure out that if Jesus wads God, sinless and “born” of a Woman. That woman would have to be sinless. Even the angle know that! And they are much closer to God then you or I am.

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You are asserting this claim without any support from Scripture. In fact if true would make other statements of Scripture false

Actually, I asserted it because we have to stay with the OP, and everyone knows that The Blessed Mother Mary was, is and always will be FULL OF GRACE, other people are full of other substances!** Mary being full of grace can not amke "other statements of scripture false, they may make your distorted interpretation false but it always has been!** **So no biggy! **
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[Shlomey]

I only know the Bible. Not any council.

I only know the word Trinity does not exist.

I only know God, not any person(s).

I only know NOBODY is righteous.

That’s why God had to come in the flesh as Jesus.

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Who saved the Jews out of Egypt?

God? Yes.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
(Douay-Rheims)

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Truthfaithlove:

I only know the Bible. Not any council.

***You only know “of” the Bible, you don’t seem to know very much about what is inside, or so it would seem. ***

I only know the word Trinity does not exist.

See you lied! you said the only knew the bible you know othjer things! You just thought you only knew was the Bible.
***But that is OK. Sure the word Trinity doesn’t exist. Hmmm how did I say it if it doesn’'t exist? ***
***Maybe Truth means it doesn’t exist in the Bible? I wish he would write better. Hard to interpret what he means. I am sure he has real problems with the bible! No, he can’t bean the Bible because the way he thinks it doesn;t exist. That word doesn’t exist in the scriptures. That is for sure! ***

***We know The Father Son and Holy Spirt are mentioned many times. Count them that makes an errr, what is that word I am looking for? Oh yea, a TRINITY! ***

I only know God, not any person(s).

You haven’t a clue. That is apparent

I only know NOBODY is righteous.

But Catholics are saved because of Jesus’ sacrifice

That’s why God had to come in the flesh as Jesus.

***Well that is two people God and Jesus, Did you forget the Holy Spirit that guides the “real” church! ***

Shlomey:

Who saved the Jews out of Egypt?

God? Yes.

Jude 1:5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
(Douay-Rheims)

Shlomey, Did Truth confuse you also? Maybe we should ask him to write slower and see if that helps!

 

[guanophore]

Jerome’s translation was based just on a few manuscripts. Today’s versions of the Scriptures are superior becasuse we have more manuscripts and older manuscripts than Jerome had.

There are some older, but there are also some that are extinct. this is why it is so important to take ancient scholarship into acount.

This is where the context matters in helping us to understand not only what the word means but also how it is to be used.
Again you are and others are reading into the meaning of this word that this grace extends to the whole of her life from conception onward.

No, ja4, it is the other way around. We are reading it in the light of what the Church taught. We believe the Scripture reflects the Apostolic Teaching that produced it. There is no need to “read into” the text, since the people that wrote it passed on their faith to us.

This is being disingenuous when you know full well this is not contained in the meaning of the word nor is this idea found in the text. There are no Greek lexicons that support this as the meaning of this word.

Well, I am not sure if there are “not Greek lexicons”, but since our faith comes from the Apostles, and not the modern Greek lexicons produced by those who did not speak and use the language, I am not concerned about that. I am sure the scholars do their best, but nothing they do can improve over Divine Revelation.

You can call it whatever you want but its not based on the Scriptures.

Right! I have been trying to convince you for two years that the Catholic faith is based on Jesus and is not a “religion of the book”.

She may have been good enough for Jesus but the Scriptures nowhere claim to that this is to be applied to anyone else.

Well, we read it differently.

Catholics believe that those who have left everything to follow Him become members of his family.

If you read again some of the marian hymns and prayers you will find that Mary has great powers to save catholics.

Really? Do you develop your theology from hymns? I remember that one of my most respected seminary professors told me that there is some very bad theology in hymnbooks.

I don't understand. Why would a believer in Christ need to fear hell if Jesus has already paid the price for our sins so that we won't be condemned? See Romans 8:1

Because until the moment of death, every person is free to reject His payment anytime.

The problem is that you are claiming this as some kind of prayer to her today when it has been shown you the only prayer is to be to God alone and not to a creature.

Well, if this is what has been revealed to you, ja4, then my suggestion would be, don’t have a “problem” over it. Just refrain from praying to anyone but God alone, and you should be all good.!

 

[guanophore]

Are you claiming in “have sacred oral History” this is mentioned? If so can you show me where in sacred oral History this is found?

It is in the same place it was the last 100 times you asked.

Do we agree that she nor anyone else in Scripture ever makes such a claim that she was sinless?

Do we agree that it would be arrogant to go around making such a claim?

You are asserting this claim without any support from Scripture. In fact if true would make other statements of Scripture false.

At the very least, it certainly would make your interpretation of them false!

 

[Good_Fella]

Why are you using the term “full of grace” for Mary when the superior translation is “hail favored” one? Even the newer Catholic translations are using this phrase such as the New American Bible.

I can assure you that the contemporary Catholic translations “favored one” and “highly favored” aren’t intended to mean that Mary was simply blessed for having been chosen to be the mother of our Lord although sinful. Catholic scholars have not suggested that someone can find favor with God without the benefit of his grace. Such a notion smacks of Pelagianism. The scholars who helped create the Jerusalem and New American Bible versions certainly give their sacred assent to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception and Mary’s personal sinlessness. The new Catholic translations mean that God had bestowed his grace on Mary to show favor to her for her divine vocation in life: the Divine Maternity. In other words, the grace God had endowed Mary with at an indefinite time before the Annunciation (Luke 1:30) was given to her as a sign of divine favour, a free gift of the Holy Spirit, unmerited on Mary’s part, on account of her divine destiny.

This divine favor would not have been shown Mary if she were not chosen to be the mother of God’s Only-begotten Son. It is a fundamental Christian belief that no person can find favor with God apart from the reception of his divine grace. Mary would have to be sinless in order to be granted the unique favor and privilege of being the mother of our Lord. And she was not merely used by God to conceive and bear his divine Son but especially chosen to be his mother for all eternity. Thus the grace God had endowed her with was to endure throughout her entire life. This has been the belief of the Catholic Church since apostolic time (Lk 11:28).

*“And indeed it was wholly fitting that so wonderful a mother should be ever resplendent with the glory of most sublime holiness and so completely free from all taint of original sin that she would triumph utterly over the ancient serpent. To her did the Father will to give his Only-begotten Son – the Son whom, equal to the Father and begotten by him, the Father loves from his heart – and to give this Son in such a way that he would be the one and the same common Son of God the Father and of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It was she whom the Son himself chose to make his Mother and it was from her that the Holy Spirit willed and brought it about that he should be conceived and born from whom he himself proceeds.” *
Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius lX, 8 December 1854

“Highly favored” (kecharitomene). Perfect passive participle of ‘chartoo’ and means endowed with grace (“charis”), enriched with grace as in Ephesians 1:6,…The Vulgate ‘gratiae plena’ is right if it means ‘full of grace which thou hast received;’ "
(Plummer). [Robertson, Archibald T., ‘Word Pictures in the New Testament’, Nashville: Broadman Press, 1930, vol. 2, p.13]

“Chartoo…Highly favoured as in Luke 1:28 meaning to bestow grace upon…it really does not mean to show favor, but to give grace to.”
[Lexicon to the Old and New Testaments, edited by Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D, 1988 Iowa Falls, Iowa, World Bible Publications Inc., p.1739]

“Luke 1:28 This is all one word in Greek ‘kecharitomene’ a perfect passive participle of the verb ,‘Chartoo’ …Abbott-Smith defines ‘Chartoo’ as follows endow with ‘charis’ i.e. 1. (a) to make graceful; (b) to endure with grace (i.e. divine favor)”
[Word Meaning in the New Testament, copyright 1986, printed by Henndrickson Publishing, edited by Ralph Earle, p.52]

“O favored one” (kecharitomene), the angel’s address to Mary, marks her out recipient of God’s special grace… For Luke she is a model beneficiary of God’s grace (1:48)."
[The Bible Knowledge Key Word Study, copyright 2002, Victor Publishing, edited by Darrell L. Block, p.180]

PAX :tiphat:

 

[RobGentner]

I don’t think it works like this for us. The reason is that we are fallen and when the HS comes into us to take up residence so to speak (Romans 8:9, 11) He convicts us of the sins in our lives. Not just sins of actions but of attitudes and thoughts. Who can truly claim to be without sin when we have the “principle of evil” in our members? (Romans 7:21-- read from 7:14-23 to understand this in context).
So long as we live in unredeemed human bodies i.e. fallen flesh we will always have to contend with sin.

**Yes, that is really true! Thank God for confession. I remember a tale from our Oral Tradition:

A young boy was awaken by God and told to go tell his King an important message. The boy went, The King said “Wait, How do I know this message is from God? Go back and if He awakens you again, Tell Him I want Him to tell you my last sin was. If you can answer that question correctly, I will believe His message.” The boy went back to sleep, later God awoke Him again. The boy told God what the King had said. After God talked to the boy, he ran to the king again. He said “God said to give you this message,” The King said. “First what did He say my last sin was?” The Boy said "God, said to tell you that He had forgiven you, and actually He didn’t remember’! The Catholic King listen to what God had told the boy and lived happily ever after!

That is what is Great about being Catholic. Jesus gave us such powerful tools against sin and evil and the devil. When we confess our sins to the Priest our sins are truly forgiven. Mary was lucky she never sinned and intercedes for us! **

I was reading somewhere where someone had calculated the number of sins done over a 50 year period. If you sin just 10 times a day everyday for 50 years you will have sinned over 182,000 sins. These are sins in action, thoughts, speech and attitudes. If you came before a judge with such a rap sheet like this you can imagine what the judge would do.

**Welcome the “forgiven” and “Full of Grace” Catholic’s into Heaven, from purgatory?

Hmmm, 64 x 10 an hour x 24 = " Zero" with the Grace of God and the intercession of the Blessed Mother! Hail Mary, now and at the hour of my Death. AMEN!!!**

But thanks be to God Who paid the price for all these sins…

**And His Mommy! **

 

[rinnie]

ja4 While I agree i misunderstood your post on falling from Grace, and admitted so. Now I am really confused. You ripped me in half saying you agree we can fall from grace. And I misread it, that you said we cannot fall from grace.

Now how in the world could you state in post 830 I quote:

I don’t understand why would a believer in Christ need to fear hell if Jesus already paid the price for our sins! What’s up with that!

 

[Peter_J]

I would think that if Mary was truly without sin throughout her life she would have been aware of this but there is no hint of it. The Lord Jesus comes right out and challenges the leaders to find any sin in Him. He certainly was aware that He never sinned. Statements from His Father that He is well pleased with Him and Jesus’ proclaimination that He always does what it pleasing in His sight are indications of sinlessness. John 8:29

We never see this kind of thing on the lips of Mary or on anyone who knew her.

JA,

I think this is one of those cases where I agree with the conclusion, but not the argument.

Jesus is God, so we have to be careful about making comparisons between him and Mary, even if they share sinlessness.

However, I do think that common sense suggests that Mary had some idea of her own sinlessness. But like I said before, either opinion is acceptable – I can’t totally rule out the possibility of a dogma being defined someday on this question, but it think that would be unwise.

 

[RobGentner]

ja4 While I agree i misunderstood your post on falling from Grace, and admitted so. Now I am really confused. You ripped me in half saying you agree we can fall from grace. And I misread it, that you said we cannot fall from grace.

Now how in the world could you state in post 830 I quote:

I don’t understand why would a believer in Christ need to fear hell if Jesus already paid the price for our sins! What’s up with that!

**
Hi rinnie,

About JustAsking4 They are just playing. There seems to be a group. one man, one woman for sure. Maybe husband and wife? He is “After tmean”, she is nicer. They just say things over and over again. There has been two years of them arguring with various people asking the same questions, and ignoring or misunderstanding what they are told. It is a game with them. Don’t take them serious or they can drive you crazy or make you ver angry!

Does that help?

Basically, They are Sola Scriptura so you know the type. They mix in solaAlways Thank the Blessed Mother and remember to mention she is Full of Grace. Remember mary is sinless and intercedes for us! (OP) **