I don’t see this in either verse.HomeschoolDad:
“Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.” (Psalm 46:10)
He numbers the stars, and gives to each of them their names. Psalm 147:4
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The Hebrew word for know, יָדַע yada, often connotes emotional intimacy in personal relationships: ‘I will take you as my people, and I will be your God: you shall know that I am the Lord your God’ (Ex 6:7).
Ps 147:4 can be interpreted alongside Luke 12:7, Matt 10:30 and and John 14:2: God relates to us most intimately on an individual basis, whether it be our salvation, our names or even the number of hairs on our head.
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Where do you think the 66 came from?! That’s right, the Catholic Church. Please don’t enter a Catholic discussion, accusing us of lies, without charity or a desire to understand.
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And I believe it’s both uncharitable and ignorant of you to implicitly assume that I, a Catholic, have no personal relationship with God, and you, someone who has nothing but his own interpretation of the Bible, have the truth based on that fallible and non-authoratative interpretation and are thus stating it and my relationship with God as such.
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I can see this is going to be a potayto-potahto thing, so I am bowing out of this exchange. Be well.
On the lighter side, you had me going, I usually think of “Kylie” as a female, as in your lovely and talented countrywoman Kylie Minogue. Now I will have “Can’t Get You Out Of My Head” going through my head all evening…
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Willfully going against the teachings of Christ is pretty serious. When you ask if one can disagree with the Church on these teachings you are asking if one can disagree with Christ.
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The relationship is pre-existing, from before you were born, which is why it was “enter into your relationship with me.” There is a powerful difference between a and your in this sentence.
Hmm? Maybe that is why you do not hear it? Or maybe, like @HomeschoolDad you do not hear God speaking to you through Scripture?
I am just guessing now. I have no idea why you do not see these as an invitation to hear God speak to you. What do you think they mean? Would you prefer it from the other side, a description of a relationship God has made for you:
I certainly do hear God speaking to me through Scripture, but I do not interpret it without recourse to the tradition of the Church, the Fathers of the Church, and the teaching of her magisterium.
In other words, I don’t treat Scripture as though it were something hidden and discovered in the fashion of a treasure in an Indiana Jones movie — “oh, wow, here’s the Word of God, let’s open it up and see what it says!”. No, I look to the Church — who ruled on the canon of Scripture in the first place.
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I think the answer depends on what you think it means to “be Catholic.” There are in fact a great number of Catholics who go to church regularly who do not believe all the church teaches. They are Catholic in the same sense one is Republican or Democrat. They may not agree with all the positions the party holds but overall they are comfortable with most of them.
This rather misses the point. If moral doctrines are no more fixed than party platforms then it would be reasonable to agitate for the church to change those doctrines you disagree with. If, however, what the church teaches is what God has revealed to her then you might as well agitate for physical laws to be changed.
And this is the point: if you believe the church is what she claims to be then the doctrines she proclaims are not hers to change, and to reject those doctrines is to reject the basis of all she teaches. Either she is what she claims to be or she is not. If she is, then her doctrines are true. If you believe her doctrines are false why would you want to be associated with her?
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This seems like an oversimplification of a complex Church. A little to black and white.
I’m wondering if your position on the recent change to the CCC regarding the death penalty puts you in disagreement with who the Church says she is. Or if you think it’s the other way around.
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To a degree it was, but while there are things that can change, most cannot and I really didn’t want to get into all that. As for abortion, marriage, and sexuality - the things the OP mentioned - they are in the “can’t change” category. Again, the point here is that if you reject certain doctrines of the church as true then you have rejected the basis for believing the church is what she says she is, and if you reject that why would you want to be associated with an organization that is not what it claims to be?
My dispute about capital punishment has never been with the church. It has always been with individuals who’s understanding of what the church teaches is different than mine.
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Just speaking on a personal level I wanted to say there’s a great peace with submitting to the Church’s teaching on issues that it speaks on. It’s great to have a base on which you can form your opinions.
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Our Lord Jesus Christ has given us the sacraments and taught us how to pray. With Him all things are possible. With His grace we can obey the commandments. With His grace we can do many difficult things…and he gives us his peace when we pick up our cross and follow him.
Very well put.
There is a peace and certainty about taking one’s disagreements and dissents, setting them aside and forgetting about them, and submitting to the teachings of the magisterium.
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OP, if an honest survey could be taken of Catholics, I think we’d find that most sitting in pews struggle with something the Church teaches. Most, I’d guess, are on a faith journey. No matter what the topic, don’t stand still: insist on learning more and growing in your faith. But know that you’re certainly not alone in your struggles.
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Yes. Awhile ago one of my relatives asked a priest and he said you don’t have to agree on all the social issues to still be a good Catholic. There was a time when the church effectively taught that suicides couldn’t go to Heaven, but there were Catholics then who disagreed with this social issue.
Having said that, there are some things which one does need to believe in order to be Catholic. An example is the trinity; if you don’t believe Jesus is God then you can’t claim to be a Catholic. If you don’t believe he was the Son of God then you can’t even claim to be a Christian.
Having said that, there are some things which one does need to believe in order to be Catholic. An example is the trinity; if you don’t believe Jesus is God then you can’t claim to be a Catholic. If you don’t believe he was the Son of God then you can’t even claim to be a Christian.
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