Can one be liberal and pro-life?

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This is a spin off from the thread on the ethics of fur, and although there’s already a similar sounding thread here, I thought this was a different enough question to perhaps garner different responses.
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The majority of liberals are pro-choice. If you going to adopt liberal thinking and liberal reasoning, I don’t know how you can be pro-life. I would love to hear someone is truly liberal explain why they are pro-life.
I identify as a liberal and as someone who is pro-life. I have been pro-life from birth, perhaps in part due to being adopted as a baby and being born pre Roe v. Wade.

So, here’s how I see it.
I’m liberal because I support a strong social safety net and a more equitable distribution of resources. When I play around with things like the political compass, economically I’m pretty far to the left.
I’m liberal because I have an almost libertarian view of government intervention into private life, based on the notion that one should be legally able to do as they wish, as long as it harms no one else. Where I differ from pro-choice liberals is that I include the unborn babies in that “no one else”. Hence, I’m pro-life.
 
In the US, helping the poor, the oppressed and the unfortunate is a central value in liberal political attitudes. This seems to encompass pro-life beliefs very easily.
 
There was a point much earlier in my life when I rejected nearly everything the Church teaches, and would have certainly met anyone’s definition of a liberal.

Thankfully, the one point that stuck with me from my upbringing was Pro-Life. I viewed (and still do) abortion as a completely egregious violation of human rights, akin to the Holocaust and to slavery. Basically setting aside one segment of the population as sub-human and therefore able to be used/abused as wanted.

Getting involved with the Pro-Life group in college was actually what brought me around to the Church’s way of thinking on everything else-- I was fortunate enough to be surrounded by bright, young, enthused, orthodox Catholics who not only believed the Faith, but could explain it to me coherently. 👍

Margaret
 
In the US, helping the poor, the oppressed and the unfortunate is a central value in liberal political attitudes. This seems to encompass pro-life beliefs very easily.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I’m for funding programs for the less fortunate (SSI, Unemployment, etc.), funding educational institutions, and putting education and the welfare of the community first. I’m against taking funding from schools, hospitals, SSI, Unemployment, and welfare programs when there are other extremely viable options, against government officials tacking their requests for a raise onto bills and election props so that their raise gets turned to law, and other things I won’t mention because it will start a huge fight. I’m upset that no one in this government will take a pay cut or raise a finger to help the less fortunate and to pay off the state and national debts. All of that makes me a liberal.

I’m also completely pro-life. I’m against abortion because I know that it is the taking of a life, so it’s a mortal sin, and I’m completely against the government funding it. I also am against capitol punishment because that is also the taking of a life. I have also known for several years that it costs the government more to execute a prisoner than to keep them alive for the rest of their days, when the government only figured this out yesterday (literally - news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091020/ts_alt_afp/usexecutionjustice ).

Killing is killing is killing, and it’s a mortal sin.

Therefore, it is completely possible to be liberal and pro-life.
 
Depends on what one means by “liberal”. At one time I was considered very liberal. Most would now consider me conservative. And I haven’t changed my views to speak of, except that I have paid more attention to the Popes’ Social Encyclicals since then.

I consider our treatment of the most needy; the disabled needy who can’t help themselves, to be shabby, shameful and unbecoming the whole nation; perhaps most shameful to “liberals” who do absolutely nothing to improve their lot, and have nothing for them now, notwithstanding their throwing trillions around.

On the other hand, I do have problems with those living on SSD who can work but, due to the weaknesses of the sytem, don’t. I know a guy who works every day as an independent contractor, but has people pay his wife because he is on disability. He’s not the only one, by a long way.

I have very serious problems with “healthcare reform” that includes abortion, cost increases for working people, and nothing whatever to combat the overutilization that I know for a fact causes both insurance and health costs themselves to be higher than they need to be.

I am ashamed that this country, which has excellent healthcare facilities and educational systems, nevertheless requires that aspiring doctors borrow from $100,000 to $300,000 just to get through medical school. How is that conducive to the public good? How can this government fail to pay those costs if, say, the recipients of free tuition spend a couple of years in an underserved area? Why can’t the government defund some of the more stupid contributions it makes to the bloated educational system and fund expansion of medical and nursing schools?

On the other hand, if there are people who are truly involuntarily without coverage because they truly can’t afford it, I fail to see why all of this fuss about healthcare reform can’t simply target those people alone. It seems to me the only decent thing to do.

I have very serious issues with racking up deficits so huge they almost guarantee that people will not be able to afford families in the future. I get very angry that almost everything the government does discourages families from acquiring productive assets with which they could help themselves; something mightily encouraged by the social encyclicals.

I am astounded that this government can cause outrageous scandals like FNMA and FHLMC, and bail out companies that invested in their fraudulent securities with subsidies, yet refuse to subsidize student loan interest the way it did years ago.

And I oppose abortion on demand with every fiber of my being.

What does it mean to be “liberal” then? To follow the Democrat party line, as I did for years, or to consider carefully what the Church actually teaches and opt for measures that are truly humane and which might actually help the less fortunate?

And, is it “conservative” to worship “the market” as if it was some kind of god? Perhaps “conservatives” would do more to preserve the families they purport to espouse if they recognized that there are times when the government simply must intervene in the marketplace; like paying for medical educations, for example, instead of insisting that people self-finance, or regulating the funds that caused oil to go to $140/barrel two summers ago for absolutely no good reason at all except that speculators made money going up and coming back down.

As Catholics, I think we need to follow another way. But for sure, we should never support a politician who supports abortion. Not even one of them. If the abortion supporters don’t get our votes by promising us material things, they’ll change. But as long as we keep them where they are, and let them buy us off, they’ll keep the slaughter going unabated.
 
You can be pro-life and whatever political/cultural other affiliation or label you choose to adopt.
 
In the US, helping the poor, the oppressed and the unfortunate is a central value in liberal political attitudes. This seems to encompass pro-life beliefs very easily.
All worthy causes.

Unforunately, many politicians have taken upon themselves the label of liberal.
And the politics they hold colors the term liberal.

At the present time, political liberal has taken on a life of its own.
It is now a label synonomous with pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-tax, and most recently socialism.

It was not too long ago that the liberal label held with it what we refer to today as Judeo-Christian values. Yet now, mere decades later, these values are attributed to Conservative Christians.

So is it possible to be both liberal and pro-life?
A qualified ‘no’
It may be possible to hold to some liberal ideals and also be pro-life, but if one wishes to hold the description of liberal *at this time *(qualified ‘no’, remember), a strong support of abortion is mandatory.
Else popular society simply will not recognize you as liberal.
 
This is a spin off from the thread on the ethics of fur, and although there’s already a similar sounding thread here, I thought this was a different enough question to perhaps garner different responses.

I identify as a liberal and as someone who is pro-life. I have been pro-life from birth, perhaps in part due to being adopted as a baby and being born pre Roe v. Wade.

So, here’s how I see it.
I’m liberal because I support a strong social safety net and a more equitable distribution of resources. When I play around with things like the political compass, economically I’m pretty far to the left.
I’m liberal because I have an almost libertarian view of government intervention into private life, based on the notion that one should be legally able to do as they wish, as long as it harms no one else. Where I differ from pro-choice liberals is that I include the unborn babies in that “no one else”. Hence, I’m pro-life.
I’m with you, I identify with both these things. I adher closely to catholic moral teaching on all issues, which in many cases forces me to be a liberal.s
 
All worthy causes.

At the present time, political liberal has taken on a life of its own.
It is now a label synonomous with pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-tax, and most recently socialism.

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But this changing of definitions, which I think in part has come from the other side doing things like using words such as socialism, communism and fascism to brand everything they don’t approve of.

So, if one is liberal in just about every area but are pro-life, what should they call themselves?
 
I think the answer is “yes” although voting for candidates who support the other issues is nearly impossible for a good Catholic because of the intolerance of Democrats to grant any room in the party for pro-life liberals. I am rather liberal myself on several issues, although I believe more in an equitable distribution of opportunity over resources.
 
So, if one is liberal in just about every area but are pro-life, what should they call themselves?
Why bother with labelling yourself.
Stand with your beliefs, let others that want a label sort it out.

Often when asked if I am liberal or conservative (assuming they haven’t formed their own opinion) I say ‘Catholic.’
 
Ridgerunner for President! 😉
Extraordinarily kind of you to say that. However, if somehow I found myself President some day, I would feel an obligation in conscience to immediately move for my own impeachment on the grounds of gross incompetence.
 
I don’t know what you mean by liberal. One can be a Democrat and be pro-life, which we’re seeing more of these days. And as a previous poster said, in the U.S. helping the poor and other such things are seen as liberal.
 
I don’t know what you mean by liberal. One can be a Democrat and be pro-life, which we’re seeing more of these days. And as a previous poster said, in the U.S. helping the poor and other such things are seen as liberal.
Seriously? Who?

I certainly remember Bob Casey Jr CLAIMING to be pro-life when he ran for Senate. And upon being elected, the FIRST thing he did was cast his vote to put Harry Reid in charge of the Senate when EVERYBODY knew that meant that the Senate Judiciary committee would immediately become majority pro-abortion. Did he do ANYTHING to try to prevent that? No. He could have. He could have denied Reid his vote unless they agreed to place him in the judiciary committee and make his the tie breaking vote between pro-lifers and pro-abortioners. But he didn’t. Phony pro-lifer.

Can you name another? I used to be a Democrat until they went from being the party of the little guy to the party that kills the little guy.
 
To the original question - I don’t see why not!

It depends on who you care most about the liberty of - the unborn child or the mother. On a basic level, the unborn child has the most liberty to lose, here.
 
I don’t see any contradiction, I think most Americans would probably call me a socialist or even a communist (which would be incorrect but there you go) but, I’m also pro-life.

Generally, libralism has a strong aspect of care for others, and also a respect for individual concience, and sees the variety of viewpoints as ultimatly productive in society.

I think this is where, from a pro-life standpoint, it can get complicated. One, because in the case of a baby in a pregnant woman, even if everyone accepts 100% that the baby is a person, two people are intimately affected by each other in a way that is pretty unique. How to balance care and freedom for those individuals may not always be easy, especially when “facts” may not be clear. I’m not thinking just about serious medical problems here, but even things like - should a pregnant woman who is a heroin addict be locked up until the baby is born? What if she is a smoker? Or wants to go horseback riding?

The other is that because liberalism tends to believe that various viewpoints are important to society as a whole, it is disinclined to restrict those views without a very good reason. And to many people, the nature of an unborn human is not entirely clear, so they are hesitant. Thus it becomes necessary to really be quite convincing to a large section of the population.
 
Can you name another? I used to be a Democrat until they went from being the party of the little guy to the party that kills the little guy.
Oh, they are out there. But they don’t get a lot of support from most Democrats, nor do they get a lot of support from pro-life advocates. For example:
Leading the Democratic pro-life coalition is Rep. Bart Stupak, D.-Mich., who offered an amendment in a committee in July that would have explicitly prevented the health care bill from funding abortion. It was defeated, 30-28.
sbcbaptistpress.org/BPnews.asp?ID=31554
 
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