Can one choose damnation directly?

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Hey, I just went to Confession. More than once, I have thought about directly damning myself to Hell because of the thoughts I’ve been thinking. I forgot to tell my new priest some sins, hence my saying ‘I’m sorry for these and for other sins’, just in case I’ve missed any. The priest advised some saying of St. Michael prayers and prayers to the Blessed Virgin Mother. Said a St. Michael prayer, a preliminary set of prayers for preparation of Total act of consecration to Mary. And I’ve said that prayer: twice. Once while in mortal sin. And I’ve been thinking more and more like the damned. My psychotherapist says that this is OCD talking about my guilt. My priest says its Satan and his minions tempting me. So, to say the question: can one choose damnation directly?
 
Yes, when we commit mortal sin we are choosing damnation over salvation. Follow the advice of your therapist and priest to get rid of these thoughts.
 
Yes you can choose damnation; you are also free to choose heaven; it’s YOUR choice. Keep praying and stay in therapy; you can overcome these negative thoughts. :grouphug:
 
Of course you can. Here are 12 Steps to Damnation.
  1. Read Harry Potter assiduously. Also, spend time on Harry Potter forums arguing about which pairing is better (Hermione/Ron, Hermione/Harry or Hermione/Draco), and write fan-fic about how cute Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks’ baby is.
  2. Practice yoga. If you don’t know how to, just cross your legs, sit in front of a picture of Yoda from Star Wars, and keep chanting “Yoda, Yoda…oh, drat, I meant, Yoga, Yoga.”
  3. Attend only the Ordinary Form of the Mass. Bonus if they play contemporary Christian music there.
  4. Criticize Donald Trump. Doesn’t matter if it’s a valid or invalid criticism. He is a righteous servant of the Lord.
  5. Make heretical posts on CAF, such as suggesting that women working isn’t that bad, or that they shouldn’t have to stand up to abuse from a husband if he is alcoholic or addicted to pr0n (my brother, a wise man, assures me that that is the trendy way of spelling “prawns”. Shellfish are an abomination!)
  6. Listen to rock music. Especially the Beatles. “Let it Be” says “Hail FATE, Goddess of Destiny” when played backwards.
  7. Spoil your parish’s Nativity play by pointing out that Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar are actually characters from Chrono Trigger and do not appear in the Bible.
  8. In continuation of (7), play RPGs. The following are especially debauched: Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy VI, and Dragon Warrior.
  9. In continuation of (8), play Dungeons and Dragons. Extra bonus points if you are the Dungeon Master.
  10. Quote the documents from Vatican II approvingly. Extra bonus points if the document in question is Dignitatis Humanae, Nostra Aetate or Gaudium Et Spes.
  11. If you’re a woman, wear pants. If a guy, wear a pink shirt. “Satan” means “pink” in Ancient Hebraeo-Latin.
  12. Become an admirer of Pope Francis. Special bonus points if you own more than two of his books. Especially the one he co-wrote with Rabbi Abraham Skorka.
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…wait, this was a serious thread??? Petaro, help me! :):):)🙂
 
RPRPsych said:
Of course you can. Here are 12 Steps to Damnation.
  1. Read Harry Potter assiduously. Also, spend time on Harry Potter forums arguing about which pairing is better (Hermione/Ron, Hermione/Harry or Hermione/Draco), and write fan-fic about how cute Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks’ baby is.
  2. Practice yoga. If you don’t know how to, just cross your legs, sit in front of a picture of Yoda from Star Wars, and keep chanting “Yoda, Yoda…oh, drat, I meant, Yoga, Yoga.”
  3. Attend only the Ordinary Form of the Mass. Bonus if they play contemporary Christian music there.
  4. Criticize Donald Trump. Doesn’t matter if it’s a valid or invalid criticism. He is a righteous servant of the Lord.
  5. Make heretical posts on CAF, such as suggesting that women working isn’t that bad, or that they shouldn’t have to stand up to abuse from a husband if he is alcoholic or addicted to pr0n (my brother, a wise man, assures me that that is the trendy way of spelling “prawns”. Shellfish are an abomination!)
  6. Listen to rock music. Especially the Beatles. “Let it Be” says “Hail FATE, Goddess of Destiny” when played backwards.
  7. Spoil your parish’s Nativity play by pointing out that Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar are actually characters from Chrono Trigger and do not appear in the Bible.
  8. In continuation of (7), play RPGs. The following are especially debauched: Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy VI, and Dragon Warrior.
  9. In continuation of (8), play Dungeons and Dragons. Extra bonus points if you are the Dungeon Master.
  10. Quote the documents from Vatican II approvingly. Extra bonus points if the document in question is Dignitatis Humanae, Nostra Aetate or Gaudium Et Spes.
  11. If you’re a woman, wear pants. If a guy, wear a pink shirt. “Satan” means “pink” in Ancient Hebraeo-Latin.
  12. Become an admirer of Pope Francis. Special bonus points if you own more than two of his books. Especially the one he co-wrote with Rabbi Abraham Skorka.
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…wait, this was a serious thread??? Petaro, help me! :):):)🙂
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All humour has to be screened through the possible eyes of the reader. Whilst we consider humour valuable in deriding some illogical viewpoints, I think we have to be very careful in choosing the thread. This man is in need, not of our opinions, but the care of a trained medical adviser and a good spiritual director. His pain is obvious and we know that he could no more make a firm decision to damn himself, given his frame of mind and vulnerability, we should leave comment to the experts not a blog. My humour is often not kind, but my heart is and our compassion must always override our desire to play with words in dealing with those more in need of our prayers than our comments. No offence intended, my friend.
 
Petaro said:
All humour has to be screened through the possible eyes of the reader. Whilst we consider humour valuable in deriding some illogical viewpoints, I think we have to be very careful in choosing the thread. This man is in need, not of our opinions, but the care of a trained medical adviser and a good spiritual director. His pain is obvious and we know that he could no more make a firm decision to damn himself, given his frame of mind and vulnerability, we should leave comment to the experts not a blog. My humour is often not kind, but my heart is and our compassion must always override our desire to play with words in dealing with those more in need of our prayers than our comments. No offence intended, my friend.
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Point well made, and none taken, my friend. 😦 I retract my previous post, and have this to offer to the OP:

The two avenues you suggest are not mutually exclusive.

OCD can be handled by your therapist and by medication.

Satan can also well tempt us or test us through a physical or medical illness, so your confessor has a good point.

As for your question: Yes, one can choose damnation, but the very fact that you are anxious about avoiding such a fate shows that you are not on that road. It takes obstinate persistence in mortal sin to be damned, not acts of inadvertence or those complicated by a psychological disorder. Be at peace. I shall pray for you. 🙂
 
Venial sins need not be brought later in confession if forgotten. Do not worry.

If you forget a moral sin- it is already forgiven for your contrite etc but just forgot it. One is just to mention it in the next confession (if it was really a mortal sin…your confessor can guide you).

As to irrational thoughts and OCD - yes seek out medical care for that. OCD thoughts are what they are OCD thoughts. To be dealt with as such.
 
thestudentAD said:
Hey, I just went to Confession. More than once, I have thought about directly damning myself to Hell because of the thoughts I’ve been thinking. I forgot to tell my new priest some sins, hence my saying ‘I’m sorry for these and for other sins’, just in case I’ve missed any. The priest advised some saying of St. Michael prayers and prayers to the Blessed Virgin Mother. Said a St. Michael prayer, a preliminary set of prayers for preparation of Total act of consecration to Mary. And I’ve said that prayer: twice. Once while in mortal sin. And I’ve been thinking more and more like the damned. My psychotherapist says that this is OCD talking about my guilt. My priest says its Satan and his minions tempting me. So, to say the question: can one choose damnation directly?
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Dear friend,
I’m also a member of the OCD/Scruples group on CAF.

Your priest is surely correct about Satan tempting you. OCD and scruples can also be found by an excessive fear of Hell, and by not being sure what constitutes grave matter. The very fact that you are choosing God shows that you are on a good path.
I highly suggest seeing a Catholic psychologist to help you out, and even work with your confessor to help you out. Thus, you’ll get spiritual help and confession from this priest, and mental wellbeing from this therapist.

God bless always
 
RPRPsych said:
Of course you can. Here are 12 Steps to Damnation.
  1. Read Harry Potter assiduously. Also, spend time on Harry Potter forums arguing about which pairing is better (Hermione/Ron, Hermione/Harry or Hermione/Draco), and write fan-fic about how cute Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks’ baby is.
  2. Practice yoga. If you don’t know how to, just cross your legs, sit in front of a picture of Yoda from Star Wars, and keep chanting “Yoda, Yoda…oh, drat, I meant, Yoga, Yoga.”
  3. Attend only the Ordinary Form of the Mass. Bonus if they play contemporary Christian music there.
  4. Criticize Donald Trump. Doesn’t matter if it’s a valid or invalid criticism. He is a righteous servant of the Lord.
  5. Make heretical posts on CAF, such as suggesting that women working isn’t that bad, or that they shouldn’t have to stand up to abuse from a husband if he is alcoholic or addicted to pr0n (my brother, a wise man, assures me that that is the trendy way of spelling “prawns”. Shellfish are an abomination!)
  6. Listen to rock music. Especially the Beatles. “Let it Be” says “Hail FATE, Goddess of Destiny” when played backwards.
  7. Spoil your parish’s Nativity play by pointing out that Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar are actually characters from Chrono Trigger and do not appear in the Bible.
  8. In continuation of (7), play RPGs. The following are especially debauched: Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy VI, and Dragon Warrior.
  9. In continuation of (8), play Dungeons and Dragons. Extra bonus points if you are the Dungeon Master.
  10. Quote the documents from Vatican II approvingly. Extra bonus points if the document in question is Dignitatis Humanae, Nostra Aetate or Gaudium Et Spes.
  11. If you’re a woman, wear pants. If a guy, wear a pink shirt. “Satan” means “pink” in Ancient Hebraeo-Latin.
  12. Become an admirer of Pope Francis. Special bonus points if you own more than two of his books. Especially the one he co-wrote with Rabbi Abraham Skorka.
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…wait, this was a serious thread??? Petaro, help me! :):):)🙂
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I may be screwed here :eek:
 
Strydersroom said:
How do you think I feel? Gay, married, with children? That’s three strikes according to a lot of people here. Luckily I don’t subscribe. :cool:
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Well, mine was a joke…

And yours may be saved via ignorance I can hope 🙂
The children thing though is not sinful fyi to any standard I am aware 🙂

But yeah, if you “know” what God says then you may be… but there is always time 🙂

And I lean toward the side of people not knowing what they do… cultures are strong 🙂
 
LethalMouse said:
Well, mine was a joke…

And yours may be saved via ignorance I can hope 🙂
The children thing though is not sinful fyi to any standard I am aware 🙂

But yeah, if you “know” what God says then you may be… but there is always time 🙂

And I lean toward the side of people not knowing what they do… cultures are strong 🙂
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The post I replied to was a joke with mostly non sinful things. Things in some cases held as personal opinion in high regard by perhaps shall we say “hardcore religious types”

He incuded “attending ordinary mass” which is something most catholics do and is not sinful.

You listed 2 actual sins for a catholic…

However per catholic teaching there is a factor of ignorance which is not always as simple as “I heard someone say it is a sin so I [know]”

No, if you for a myriad of reasons are incapable of “knowing” in a true sense that being actively gay/married is a sin then you could still potentially be heaven bound.

You would basically be bound by sin/not sin within your ability to grasp…

Hence we can not “judge” to say “you are hellbound”

On the flip side if some one said “I know God particularly declares this a sin and I laugh in His face” then I would feel fairly confident in guessing their outcome… minus of course a future repentance which again is where things can turn 🙂

You list agnostic ergo you are not someone theoretically convinced you are laughing in God’s face but rather you are most likely both unsure of His being and what are His rules vs what you think may be man made ideas.

If this is not a willful ignorance, one of self trickery entirely to “justify” or try and outhtink God to say “but I didnt know!!” When up for His judgement then…

Well then you are essentially so long as [TRULY] ignorant in this regard bound by a different set of rules. That which tugs at you from natural law and you ability to comprhend good/evil.

If you for example know only that it is evil to steal then that is your metric for now. Should you be able to avoid the sins you “know” are wrong then there is always a substantial chance you would find yourself in heaven 🙂
 
There should be a ‘neutral’ afterlife imo, not terrible suffering like hell, and not extremely pleasurable like heaven, but just neutral, right down the middle, for all those folks out there that choose to align themselves with neither God or the enemy.

I know plenty of people that are not religious, but are very good, decent people, they help and do many good things for others, and are certainly not promoting evil or hatred, yet just because they chose not to have a relationship or recognize their creator, they must be punished for this?

In the final judgement, when everyones actions are revealed, Id like to see how some of these people fare, will they be given ‘credit’ for the good they did do, even though they were not worshiping or recognizing God?

What if these people just chose a neutral afterlife versus ‘choosing’ damnation or salvation?
 
Ok. Went to my psychotherapist. It’s still my OCD. Turns out… I’m secular at heart while trying to be religious. A lot of people say I try too hard including my psychotherapist.
 
thestudentAD said:
Ok. Went to my psychotherapist. It’s still my OCD. Turns out… I’m secular at heart while trying to be religious. A lot of people say I try too hard including my psychotherapist.
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Not sure what you mean there.

Get a regular confessor to assist you.

In any case -let us all follow Christ - in him is true life.

Even in the midst of difficulties such as your are experiencing.
 
One of the most comforting things for me is the knowledge that Satan can not read your mind unless you freely and knowingly give him permission to.

When unwanted thoughts come to my mind, I say this prayer out loud, “Dear God shield me and my thoughts. My thoughts are for you alone to know and I trust in your mercy. My desire is to love you.”
 
mikekle said:
There should be a ‘neutral’ afterlife imo, not terrible suffering like hell, and not extremely pleasurable like heaven, but just neutral, right down the middle, for all those folks out there that choose to align themselves with neither God or the enemy.

I know plenty of people that are not religious, but are very good, decent people, they help and do many good things for others, and are certainly not promoting evil or hatred, yet just because they chose not to have a relationship or recognize their creator, they must be punished for this?

In the final judgement, when everyones actions are revealed, Id like to see how some of these people fare, will they be given ‘credit’ for the good they did do, even though they were not worshiping or recognizing God?

What if these people just chose a neutral afterlife versus ‘choosing’ damnation or salvation?
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Have you ever heard of purgatory?
 
Easy. There are some people who choose to live sinful lives and know the risk is hell but they do not care or they are willing to take that chance.
 
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