Can Protestants Remarry Validly?

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BettyBoop416 said:
Clearly, it is an expression of Catholic belief. (Many) Catholics believe that it is objectively true. As it happens, I do not.
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Do you read the Bible?? What God has joined together, let no man put asunder etc.God Bless, Memaw
 
so that means protestant funeral services are verboten, as well as buddhist weddings, etc.

I used to wonder if we catholics went out of our way looking for ways to offend in the name of holier than thou. now I’m certain of it. a catholic who refused to attend a friend’s protestant wedding on religious grounds would be looked at as a prime jerk, would impress no one, and turn off anyone at the inquiring stage. no wonder we’re hated.
 
Memaw said:
That’s not a matter for us to decide, that’s why the Catholic Church has a Marriage Tribunal. God Bless. Memaw
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Yes, but they are not Catholic, never have been Catholic. They don’t have recourse to the Tribunal. Warrior Monk has an interesting point, Protestants believe they can divorce and remarry would this not make the marriage invalid? Or at least allow us to suppose it was likely invalid?
 
Fairwinds said:
so that means protestant funeral services are verboten, as well as buddhist weddings, etc.
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I am unsure how you arrived at this conclusion. Nothing in this thread supports such a conclusion.

Catholics are not prohibited from attending a non-Catholic funeral or a Buddhist wedding.
Fairwinds said:
I used to wonder if we catholics went out of our way looking for ways to offend in the name of holier than thou. now I’m certain of it. a catholic who refused to attend a friend’s protestant wedding on religious grounds would be looked at as a prime jerk, would impress no one, and turn off anyone at the inquiring stage. no wonder we’re hated.
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I think you may have misunderstood the original question. The question was about witnessing an invalid attempt at marriage, not a valid marriage. We are certainly free to witness valid marriages between non-Catholics.
 
PietroPaolo said:
Yes, but they are not Catholic, never have been Catholic. They don’t have recourse to the Tribunal.
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Which is unfortunate but does not change the answer as to whether or not Catholics should stand witness to invalid attempts at marriage.
PietroPaolo said:
Warrior Monk has an interesting point, Protestants believe they can divorce and remarry would this not make the marriage invalid?
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No. That would only be the case if the belief actually determined the will. Same for a Catholic marrying. A “belief” does not determine the will nor does it invalidate marriage on its face.
PietroPaolo said:
Or at least allow us to suppose it was likely invalid?
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No.
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
It is important to note that it is objectively true that these non-Catholics have defective consent.
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, (and this is the last time I’ll say it …I’m going to bow out of this discussion) your assertion is true only from a Catholic perspective. According to the rules and beliefs of their church, their consent has no defects and the resulting marriage is perfectly valid.
*Ah relativism… *
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Just because someone does not share you beliefs does not make it relativism.
a catholic who refused to attend a friend’s protestant wedding on religious grounds would be looked at as a prime jerk, would impress no one, and turn off anyone at the inquiring stage. no wonder we’re hated.
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“Hated” might be a bit harsh, but it would certainly add fuel to the “those Catholics sure are strange” fire.
*I would be really careful judging who and who is not entering a valid marriage when we are discussing non-Catholics. It would be really embarrassing to make a stink about the situation and not attend, then the couple convert at a later date, and then have the Tribunal decide the second marriage was in fact valid. *
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Oops.I hate it when that happens. 😊

BettyBoop has left the building.
 
1ke said:
…I think you may have misunderstood the original question. The question was about witnessing an invalid attempt at marriage, not a valid marriage. We are certainly free to witness valid marriages between non-Catholics.
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I didn’t misunderstand the question.
 
1ke said:
Your conclusion regarding funerals and Buddhist weddings does not follow.
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I, as a truly righteous catholic, wouldn’t want to appear to approve of an Anglican funeral Mass by attending. that would be Wrong.
 
No. That would only be the case if the belief actually determined the will. Same for a Catholic marrying. A “belief” does not determine the will nor does it invalidate marriage on its face.
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I was under the impression that a marriage was invalid if the couple didn’t understand that marriage is for life, is exclusive sexually, and is open to life - at the moment of marriage. E.g. Cheating wouldn’t invalidate a marriage, but going in thinking you can cheat still would. The same would be true with divorce. Getting divorced wouldn’t invalidate a marriage, but at the moment of marriage thinking you can always divorce and remarry would. This would be because the couple isn’t really consenting to marriage if they dont understand what marriage is. Perhaps, I’m wrong?
 
Fairwinds said:
I, as a truly righteous catholic, wouldn’t want to appear to approve of an Anglican funeral Mass by attending. that would be Wrong.
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove. There is no such animal as an invalid funeral. Are you saying there are no invalid weddings?
 
PietroPaolo said:
I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove. There is no such animal as an invalid funeral. Are you saying there are no invalid weddings?
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the invalid Anglican funeral Mass. my appearance would cause scandal.
 
Fairwinds said:
I, as a truly righteous catholic, wouldn’t want to appear to approve of an Anglican funeral Mass by attending. that would be Wrong.
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That may be your opinion, but the Church does not teach what you propose.
 
PietroPaolo said:
I was under the impression that a marriage was invalid if the couple didn’t understand that marriage is for life, is exclusive sexually, and is open to life - at the moment of marriage. E.g. Cheating wouldn’t invalidate a marriage, but going in thinking you can cheat still would. The same would be true with divorce. Getting divorced wouldn’t invalidate a marriage, but at the moment of marriage thinking you can always divorce and remarry would. This would be because the couple isn’t really consenting to marriage if they dont understand what marriage is. Perhaps, I’m wrong?
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Again, mere belief does not determine the will. It is an important distinction.

Canon 1099 Provided it does not determine the will, error concerning the unity or the indissolubility or the sacramental dignity of marriage does not vitiate matrimonial consent.
 
1ke said:
Again, mere belief does not determine the will. It is an important distinction.

Canon 1099 Provided it does not determine the will, error concerning the unity or the indissolubility or the sacramental dignity of marriage does not vitiate matrimonial consent.
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That settles it then. 👍
 
PietroPaolo said:
That settles it then. 👍
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Canon 1101
  1. The internal consent of the mind is presumed to be in agreement with the words or signs employed in celebrating matrimony.
  2. But if either or both parties through a positive act of the will should exclude marriage itself, some essential element or an essential property of marriage, it is invalidly contracted.
So, for example, if the couple used traditional vows such as “til death do us part”… it is assumed that the internal consent of the mind matches the words they said, unless proven otherwise.

If the couple used vows that said “as long as we’re happy” or “until we part” or whatever, then it would be pretty clear that their belief about the limited duration of marriage did determine their will.
 
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