Can raped girls abort?

[Doc_Keele]

Not rhetoric. Genuine concern. It is very dishonest to the order for you to claim membership, claim to be Catholic, and then post such anti-catholic things. I pray the administration investigates your claims.

What does my profile state kage ar - “Christian”
I’m not “anti-Catholic”, and I hope the administration investigate your claims
Appeal to force, the sign of a weak argument. Thanks for participating!

I can sum up ur participation in most discussions to this:
This is the Catholic Line.
If you don’t agree with it you’re either not a Catholic or a heretic.
Not really an argument at all, just a successsion of appeals to force/authority.

I must apologise for thinking for myself

 

[vz71]

What does my profile state kage ar - “Christian”
I’m not “anti-Catholic”, and I hope the administration investigate your claims
Appeal to force, the sign of a weak argument. Thanks for participating!

In one instance, there is an appeal towards precision in the vocabulary.
Yet later on the defense contains such generalities as to be meaningless.

Quite honestly, I have no idea what exactly you are trying to say.

 

[kage_ar]

What does my profile state kage ar - “Christian”
I’m not “anti-Catholic”, and I hope the administration investigate your claims
Appeal to force, the sign of a weak argument. Thanks for participating!

There is no such thing as a protestant Carmelite, so, you are either lying or you think we are all idiots or both.

 

[Doc_Keele]

There is no such thing as a protestant Carmelite, so, you are either lying or you think we are all idiots or both.

As usual your logic is unsound

You do understand what a contemplative order does, right? Contemplate?

I was driving 3 other Carmelites back from a day of recollection the other day and guess what? we all agreed that priests should be allowed to be married and that women should be allowed to be priests
I bet you’re horrified, kage ar?

 

[LittleSoldier]

As usual your logic is unsound

You do understand what a contemplative order does, right? Contemplate?

I was driving 3 other Carmelites back from a day of recollection the other day and guess what? we all agreed that priests should be allowed to be married and that women should be allowed to be priests
I bet you’re horrified, kage ar?

Right there on your profile it states that you are a Carmelite novice.

Her logic is very sound. This is something that a troll, a liar, or an anti-Catholic would do, and I don’t think you are any of those. I am completely confused about what you are trying to attempt here and I’m beginning to think maybe this is a game for you. I thought we actually were getting along. What’s going on?

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

 

[LindaSK]

As usual your logic is unsound

You do understand what a contemplative order does, right? Contemplate?

Our priest is the Spiritual Adviser to the Third Order Discalced Carmelites in our parish and a neighboring parish. They take a Vow of Obedience. I understand the contemplative nature of the Carmelites, and respect it though I know I am not called to it. But, you are expected to be obedient to the Church. I find it curious that you list your ‘Religion’ as “Christian”, and listed “Third Order Carmelite novice” under “Hobbies.”

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About Doc Keele

Religion
Christian

Hobbies
Third Order Carmelite novice, received in Dec 2009***

Is there a reason you don’t acknowledge your religion as Catholic? “Christian” is deliberately vague. If you don’t accept the teaching and the Authority of the Church, why would you then join a Catholic Order? You don’t need to be in an Order to be contemplative. I really do not understand. It seems to me you do a disservice to a Catholic Order, and to the faithful in the Order, if you do not accept the Authority of the Catholic Church.

Because you are in a contemplative Order, do you feel your contemplations have more value and correctness than the contemplations of those who are not in such an Order?

 

[rinnie]

[SIGN][/SIGN]

Doc Keele,

Your profile says that you’re a Carmelite novice. Have you discussed your positions on abortion and[SIGN] euthanasia [/SIGN]with the Carmelites?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

This just reminded me of something. I just heard this earlier this week, and it blew my mind. Did any of you know that a living will is not a good idea? I heard it on ewtn. Father said that a living will was started by the group that pushes euthanaisa.

Father said to have a POA and have someone you trust to make your decisions. A living will can put your life into the hands of the state. It can back fire on you.

 

[LittleSoldier]

[SIGN][/SIGN]

This just reminded me of something. I just heard this earlier this week, and it blew my mind. Did any of you know that a living will is not a good idea? I heard it on ewtn. Father said that a living will was started by the group that pushes euthanaisa.

Father said to have a POA and have someone you trust to make your decisions. A living will can put your life into the hands of the state. It can back fire on you.

This would be a very good topic for a new thread. This one is already over the maximum number of posts allowed (usually), so perhaps you could start one? I’m interested but I don’t know enough about POA and living wills to be able to do it myself. I want to have something but I don’t know what.

Could you start a thread on this?

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Our priest is the Spiritual Adviser to the Third Order Discalced Carmelites in our parish and a neighboring parish. They take a Vow of Obedience. I understand the contemplative nature of the Carmelites, and respect it though I know I am not called to it. But, you are expected to be obedient to the Church. I find it curious that you list your ‘Religion’ as “Christian”, and listed “Third Order Carmelite novice” under “Hobbies.”

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About Doc Keele

Religion
Christian

Hobbies
Third Order Carmelite novice, received in Dec 2009***

Is there a reason you don’t acknowledge your religion as Catholic? “Christian” is deliberately vague. If you don’t accept the teaching and the Authority of the Church, why would you then join a Catholic Order? You don’t need to be in an Order to be contemplative. I really do not understand. It seems to me you do a disservice to a Catholic Order, and to the faithful in the Order, if you do not accept the Authority of the Catholic Church.

Because you are in a contemplative Order, do you feel your contemplations have more value and correctness than the contemplations of those who are not in such an Order?

Doc Keele has changed it. Yesterday, from what I remember, it only stated “Carmelite novice.” Now more has been added, unless my memory is faulty (which is quite possible).

Doc, what is going on here? This reminds me of a man who becomes a priest because he has his own agenda and that is to bring ruin to the very Church he professes to be a member of and has taken vows to be obedient to in a very special way. That’s about as anti-Catholic as one can be.

What are you doing here?

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

 

[Doc_Keele]

Right there on your profile it states that you are a Carmelite novice.

Her logic is very sound. This is something that a troll, a liar, or an anti-Catholic would do, and I don’t think you are any of those. I am completely confused about what you are trying to attempt here and I’m beginning to think maybe this is a game for you. I thought we actually were getting along. What’s going on?

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

No game. Think for a minute about the way certain posters here (who would not be called trolls by the majority on this site, but certainly would be thought such on many secular sites) treat people according to their stated affiliation?
I’ll PM you if you like.

 

[rinnie]

As usual your logic is unsound

You do understand what a contemplative order does, right? Contemplate?

I was driving 3 other Carmelites back from a day of recollection the other day and guess what? we all agreed that priests should be allowed to be married and that women should be allowed to be priests
I bet you’re horrified, kage ar?

I am. I am horrified at how you feel you have authority to trump the teachings of God. While I agree you can contemplate, I am am appalled that you feel you can even make such a decision. You were never given the power to make that decision. And how you could think that what you think and agree on would in any way be what God wants.

Its not what you agreed on that appalls me, is that you would think it would mean anything to a Catholic. If God wanted your opinion and decision on the matter in ruling the RCC you would be the Pope

 

[rinnie]

This would be a very good topic for a new thread. This one is already over the maximum number of posts allowed (usually), so perhaps you could start one? I’m interested but I don’t know enough about POA and living wills to be able to do it myself. I want to have something but I don’t know what.

Could you start a thread on this?

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

I will start it in the n/c threads. I am not sure where to start it, but its something for Catholic and N/C to know.

 

[LittleSoldier]

***And what of those embryos and fetuses that threaten the life of the mother in an undeniable, medically emergent manner? I don’t think your explanation covers all the bases.

Limerick***

The embryo or fetus does not intentionally cause or threaten to cause harm to the mother. It may be that the* presence* of the embryo or fetus causes or threatens harm to the mother. If this is life-threatening (to the mother), she can be treated medically in order to save her life.

The Church does not consider the removal of a pregnancy as an abortion when it is done in order to save the mother’s life. For example, in an ectopic pregnancy, the affected fallopian tube (or portion of the fallopian tube) will be removed and unfortunately, a life is lost in the process. But this life was not lost as the ultimate goal. It is a tragic consequence. If the affected part of the tube is not removed, it will rupture, causing the death of the child and most likely the death of the mother.

In the future it is possible that these children can be saved, but we don’t have the medical ability to do that right now.

Hope this helps!

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

 

[Doc_Keele]

Doc Keele has changed it. Yesterday, from what I remember, it only stated “Carmelite novice.” Now more has been added, unless my memory is faulty (which is quite possible)

I have made a few additions to my profile, just expansions of previous details.

Doc, what is going on here? This reminds me of a man who becomes a priest because he has his own agenda and that is to bring ruin to the very Church he professes to be a member of and has taken vows to be obedient to in a very special way. That’s about as anti-Catholic as one can be.

What are you doing here?

The same as everyone else - posting about important issues what I think and why. I’m sorry if that upsets anybody, and I shall stop doing so since some people like Linda and kage ar find it so offensive. I’m sure that’ll make them feel much happier about the world, that they’re not confronted by unacceptable opinions:thumbsup:

 

[LittleSoldier]

No game. Think for a minute about the way certain posters here (who would not be called trolls by the majority on this site, but certainly would be thought such on many secular sites) treat people according to their stated affiliation?
I’ll PM you if you like.

I would like a PM, but as others have requested information about what you are doing, I don’t feel I would be able to keep the PM confidential. I hope you respond to everyone with an explanation as to what is going on.

Right now I feel like you’ve made a huge fool of me and that saddens me very much.

Ave Maria, ora pro nobis.

 

[LittleSoldier]

I will start it in the n/c threads. I am not sure where to start it, but its something for Catholic and N/C to know.

Thank you! I appreciate it!

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

 

[LittleSoldier]

I have made a few additions to my profile, just expansions of previous details.

The same as everyone else - posting about important issues what I think and why. I’m sorry if that upsets anybody, and I shall stop doing so since some people like Linda and kage ar find it so offensive. I’m sure that’ll make them feel much happier about the world, that they’re not confronted by unacceptable opinions:thumbsup:

Surely you understand that your posting is not the problem. The problem is that you are professing to be a Carmelite novice, yet promoting heresy. That’s why the Catholics here are so concerned.

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

 

[SugarMagnolia]

The embryo or fetus does not intentionally cause or threaten to cause harm to the mother. It may be that the* presence* of the embryo or fetus causes or threatens harm to the mother. If this is life-threatening (to the mother), she can be treated medically in order to save her life.

The Church does not consider the removal of a pregnancy as an abortion when it is done in order to save the mother’s life. For example, in an ectopic pregnancy, the affected fallopian tube (or portion of the fallopian tube) will be removed and unfortunately, a life is lost in the process. But this life was not lost as the ultimate goal. It is a tragic consequence. If the affected part of the tube is not removed, it will rupture, causing the death of the child and most likely the death of the mother.

In the future it is possible that these children can be saved, but we don’t have the medical ability to do that right now.

Hope this helps!

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

The embryo or fetus does not intentionally cause or threaten to cause harm to the mother. It may be that the presence of the embryo or fetus causes or threatens harm to the mother. If this is life-threatening (to the mother), she can be treated medically in order to save her life.**

Immediate death is not the only harm a woman can suffer. There are women who would be harmed physically, mentally, or emotionally. I am disappointed that so many on this thread care only if the woman will die immediately (e.g. ectopic pregnancy), but do not acknowledge the severe and crippling harm some women may experience by being forced to carry a pregnancy.

 

[Kay_Cee]

Immediate death is not the only harm a woman can suffer. There are women who would be harmed physically, mentally, or emotionally. I am disappointed that so many on this thread care only if the woman will die immediately (e.g. ectopic pregnancy), but do not acknowledge the severe and crippling harm some women may experience by being forced to carry a pregnancy.

Let’s suppose the woman is instead being threatened by a stalker.

Immediate death is not the only harm a woman can suffer. There are women who would be harmed physically, mentally, or emotionally. I am disappointed that so many care only if the woman will die immediately (e.g. being murdered by her stalker), but do not acknowledge the severe and crippling harm some women may experience by being forced to live in the same world with someone who is threatening her.

So, using your logic, we should kill the stalker, right?

 

[LittleSoldier]

The embryo or fetus does not intentionally cause or threaten to cause harm to the mother. It may be that the presence** of the embryo or fetus causes or threatens harm to the mother. If this is life-threatening (to the mother), she can be treated medically in order to save her life.

Immediate death is not the only harm a woman can suffer. There are women who would be harmed physically, mentally, or emotionally. I am disappointed that so many on this thread care only if the woman will die immediately (e.g. ectopic pregnancy), but do not acknowledge the severe and crippling harm some women may experience by being forced to carry a pregnancy.

That may be true, but certainly passing a sentence of death on the unborn child the woman is carrying is not the solution. The Church makes this clear. If you want, I will again post the appropriate passages from the CCC.

Why should a human being have to be murdered so that another human being will not have to suffer physically, mentally, or emotionally?

I am disappointed to see so many Catholics, who are required to accept Church dogma, believe that it is perfectly acceptable to murder unborn children.

Abortion is always wrong. There are no exceptions. Could you please list some of these physical, mental, and emotional problems? I am unclear as to what they are. Thank you.

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.