Can raped girls abort?

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Apryl said:
You obviously also don’t like answering my questions. :rolleyes:

If you were the first with an issue with my tone, it may have been noteworthy. 😉
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You forget, we do not have MD’s so we are not worthy to have beliefs :rolleyes:
 
Apryl said:
You obviously also don’t like answering my questions. :rolleyes:

If you were the first with an issue with my tone, it may have been noteworthy. 😉
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No, it’s not at all obvious that I don’t like answering your questions, only that I don’t like the way they were asked:cool:
 
Rence said:
The CC teaches that there is a soul involved, that’s why some Catholics say the fetus trumps the woman. When exactly a soul is involved is debateable even amoung Church scholars, so of course it would be a difficult concept for those Catholics who are not scholars.
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First, who here said that a “fetus trumps the mother”?

BOTH lives are precious and neither person can be killed to save another. It is so simple, yet relativism tries to spin intricate webs to validate killing babies.

You also attempt to muddy the issue with your lines about “when exactly a soul is involved”. Life is to be protected from conception to natural death. Life, life, life.
 
kage_ar said:
You forget, we do not have MD’s so we are not worthy to have beliefs :rolleyes:
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Humph

He may very well be a doctor… can YOU prove it? (does it matter?)

And has he ever claimed to be an MD? He could be a PHd

Then his surname could be Doctor! (There really and truly and most assuredly is a man in the Detroit area whose name is Ivan Doctor, who is an optometrist…😃 I kid you not!) 😃

It doesn’t matter what any one’s credentials are. Dr. Benjamin Spock had all sorts of credentials, but the world wasn’t required to see his as the only way to go lock step

You have doctors of the same specialty who disagree. 😉

When it comes to ethics and morals, ‘doctor’ is out of the equation. That is his medical (if he’s talking medical) opinion! Medicine, for all doctors, is a PRACTICE. But life is life. We have instructions on how to handle human life.

But he’s entitled to his opinion. Medical or otherwise. I respect his right to an opinion. It would be great to hear his opinion.

… although, I’m not sure what his opinion is. :rolleyes: He’s been talking about rare medical conditions and reactions to that… so that’s all just ‘blah-blah-blah’ to me! 😦
 
Magnolia,

I agree that the above comment was unkind, however, no one here is defending the rapist we are defending the right of the unborn child to live. NO ONE thinks it’s “perfectly ok for rapists to impregnate, any more than its perfectly ok to rape”. God decides who becomes pregnant, he is, after all the Creator of all life.

It is not fine for rapist to empregnate. It is, however, fine for God to allow the creation of a life in such circumstances and it is arrogant to decide that God is wrong. When you say we’re forcing someone to become pregnant you make it sound as though we are tying her to a table and using a turkey baster. The pregnancy has already taken place. We are simply against killing a human life at whatever stage of development.

One could say, if you are against the death penalty, you are showing more respect for the rapist by not allowing him to be put to death, yet killing an innocent life. Not saying you are, just viewing the comments from a different perspective.

It is, allowed for a hospital to administer EC after a rape to prevent conception. If, then, there is a pregnancy, this means there is another human life involved. An innocent.

This is what makes it so hard for me to be a Catholic: all the evil people who use Catholicism as an excuse for sadism. Here I must wholeheartedly disagree and do the polls. In fact not even MOST of the country believes in abortion, much less most Catholics.

Your comment is odd, regardless, as we do not use Catholicism as an excuse, we honor it by following the Magisterium. This is not a democracy. *

But of course, you wouldn’t care; all you care about is some abstract principle.* This is pretty harsh. I would suggest that those who do not care would not be posting here at all. Of course we care about the women. For me, here is a key reason why my caring has brought me to this position: afterabortion.org and victimsspeakingout.org. Women are speaking out more and more about the trauma that their abortion caused on top of the rape. It confused the whole issue of guilt for women. Rape is not their fault, abortion is. You combine the unhealthy guilt of rape with the guilt of abortion; confusing the two and making the women more of a victim. Why do we all assume that pregnancy makes it worse for women? Most women who are raped and become pregnant choose not to abort and, of those who do, many regret it and say they felt pressured by others to do so.

This is a painful, terrible issue, especially for those who see it every day in hospitals, etc. but, what if these women are right? What if, by encouraging abortion in the case of rape, it is actually causing women more trauma in the long term? Many say that it does. Would this then, only be a easy fix to make people feel better in the short term (anesthetizing, like alcohol or drugs) and causing more pain later? I do know that drug use is more likely to develop after an abortion. There are psychological effects of abortion that are often ignored.

May I ask? … Do you believe it is appropriate that we have abortion on demand simply because of the rare situations where rapes occur or do you only support abortion in terms of rape scenarios?
 
hmm, abortion comes for historical reasons under medical ethics:o

since as a man I cannot possibly know what it would be like to be raped and then be obliged to carry the baby conceived by that act of violation and bring it up

hence I feel unable to mandate any particular action for that woman
 
Doc_Keele said:
hmm, abortion comes for historical reasons under medical ethics:o

since as a man I cannot possibly know what it would be like to be raped and then be obliged to carry the baby conceived by that act of violation and bring it up

hence I feel unable to mandate any particular action for that woman
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You go to parties and stand against the wall, refusing to dance, no matter the music and then complain about the DJ, dontcha? :confused:

You can tell me… I won’t hold it against you. 😉
 
Apryl said:
You go to parties and stand against the wall, refusing to dance, no matter the music and then complain about the DJ, dontcha? :confused:

You can tell me… I won’t hold it against you. 😉
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eh?
and this is more relevant than the things I posted right?:confused:
🤷
 
Fidelis_Unus said:
Magnolia,

I agree that the above comment was unkind, however, no one here is defending the rapist we are defending the right of the unborn child to live. NO ONE thinks it’s “perfectly ok for rapists to impregnate, any more than its perfectly ok to rape”. God decides who becomes pregnant, he is, after all the Creator of all life.
It is not fine for rapist to empregnate. It is, however, fine for God to allow the creation of a life in such circumstances and it is arrogant to decide that God is wrong. When you say we’re forcing someone to become pregnant you make it sound as though we are tying her to a table and using a turkey baster. The pregnancy has already taken place. We are simply against killing a human life at whatever stage of development.

It is, allowed for a hospital to administer EC after a rape to prevent conception. If, then, there is a pregnancy, this means there is another human life involved. An innocent.

**Fidelis, I’m sorry, but I have to correct you here. The Church does NOT allow EC after a rape. This is a teaching of the Church that I don’t agree with and would be difficult for me to folow if I were in a rape situation. God did indeed allow us the technology to prevent a rape, but the Church won’t allow us to use it “just in case” an egg was fertilized in the time that a woman was raped and the time she reached the ER. Even though it takes from a few hours up to 36 hours to conceive. **

But of course, you wouldn’t care; all you care about is some abstract principle.
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This is pretty harsh. I would suggest that those who do not care would not be posting here at all.

**I think SugarMagnolia is being tired of being bombarded by nonsensical posts and was really looking for an honest dialog…much like YOUR post Fidelis. **

May I ask? … Do you believe it is appropriate that we have abortion on demand simply because of the rare situations where rapes occur or do you only support abortion in terms of rape scenarios?

**I do. Fidelis, it’s nice to discuss and learn from people like you and others who don’t run their comments in circles but stay consistent and logical (and kind). But I have to admit, before I tangled with a few pro-lifers here on this board, I was adamantly pro-life. But the unkindness I have encountered from a few, towards women who have been raped, pushed me to the pro-choice side. Now, as a result, I hope it will remain legal for the victims of rape - because there is not only a push for abortion to be made illegal, but ABCS as well, and worse of all, EC - which can prevent a future abortion **
 
Apryl said:
You use Bernoulli’s equation to calculate pressure. 👍
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LOL:rolleyes:
I will treat any future requests from yourself to stick to the topic with laughter 👍
and I have seen your tactics used many times before on CAF and other fora, and I know exactly what you’re trying to do
 
SugarMagnolia said:
I can only respond with a 'are you nuts???:
No, I’m not nuts. Everyone here who is defending the rapist is nuts!
You think it’s perfectly fine for rapists to impregnate whomever they please
and then you punish their victims by forcing them to carry the rapist’s child.
You don’t give a thought to the damage you’re doing to that victim by
forcing her to be bonded to her rapist for life. I don’t know how anyone
can call themselves Catholic and be so completely lacking in compassion.
You think this is all just logic games! Meanwhile women are lying in
emergency rooms with broken bones, stab wounds, and torn up vaginas;
women who will wake up screaming in terror every night and spend the
rest of their lives with PTSD. And you just cavalierly say, “But the egg
the rapist fertilized is more important that anything in the world.”
Maybe you should be forced to see these women in the ER, see
their terror, see their ripped vaginas. But of course, you wouldn’t
care; all you care about is some abstract principle. This is what makes
it so hard for me to be a Catholic: all the evil people who use
Catholicism as an excuse for sadism. I have to keep reminding myself
that you are not the majority of Catholics. You just yell the loudest.
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I just can’t seem to grasp this one.

Absolutely anti-life, and even has a picture of Mary and a prayer in the signature.

The proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing would seem an apt description here.
 
vz71 said:
I just can’t seem to grasp this one.

Absolutely anti-life, and even has a picture of Mary and a prayer in the signature.

The proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing would seem an apt description here.
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Please keep in mind that we’re all here because we care. SugarMagnolis believes just as strongly (and without malice) - just like you do. She has a different prespective than you do. We really don’t know how spiritual or not spiritual the people on these boards are. No one is perfect. It’s a bit unfair to attack people’s character because they don’t agree with you. I haven’t met a Cathlolic in my life who was perfect and who wasn’t struggling with some issue. Rape, and treatments for aftercare, are subjects that bring out a lot of emotion in people.
 
Doc_Keele said:
…unless it’s Doctor of Medical Ethics???
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Are you serious?

We are in far more trouble than I had ever thought, when the Medical Ethicist is defending the wholesale slaughter of our “unwanted” next generation of civilized society. 😦
 
SugarMagnolia said:
So why shouldn’t the fertilized egg be removed; why should it have the right to remain in her body?
You’re not killing a baby; you’re refusing to allow a fertilized egg to remain in her body.
You’re not dismembering anything because fertilized eggs don’t have arms or legs.
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I get the feeling that, if you had been present at the Incarnation, your reaction would have been to frogmarch Mary down to the nearest abortion clinic, and abort Jesus. After all, she was a young woman, pregnant out of wedlock, and “needed to be protected from” the child in her womb, in case He might change her life in some way.
 
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