Can raped girls abort?

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Doc_Keele said:
…which does not extend to making unwarranted assumptions and suggesting courses of actions based on those assumptions, IMHO
it will be interesting to hear Rence’s thoughts on the matter
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Not an assumption, but rather a logical conclusion based on your stated opinions. If you don’t want your opinions commented on, then you shouldn’t paticipate on a message board, because it’s very purpose is to make your thoughts and opinions available for public consumption and comment.

The bottom line in all of this is that the child has (or should have) rights too. It shouldn’t be punished for the crimes of its biological father because it is completely innocent of those crimes. Yes, pregnancy can be a hardship, but it is preferable to murder of an innocent life.
 
hellopeople said:
The problem is that morals are not black and white. There are definite gray areas. One shouldn’t impose their morals on anyone (other than in extreme circumstances).
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I’d call deliberate killing of innocent human life, or the support thereof, an “extreme circumstance.”
 
LOL - kage_ar’s comments weren’t directed at me.
If they had have been, my response would have been both more specific and probably stronger.

If you (or anyone else) can find anything in my statements that you believe requires me to confess, please point it out.
 
wanner47 said:
I’d call deliberate killing of innocent human life, or the support thereof, an “extreme circumstance.”
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You should do something about it then. Go camp outside an abortion clinic. To be honest, I don’t agree with abortion, and I might try to sit down and talk to someone I know well and try to convince them not to, but I would not condemn them or judge their actions because I have never (and will never) be in that situation.
 
Doc_Keele said:
LOL - kage_ar’s comments weren’t directed at me.
If they had have been, my response would have been both more specific and probably stronger.

If you (or anyone else) can find anything in my statements that you believe requires me to confess, please point it out.
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Which is why the pronouns “you” and “your” are being used in a general sense, not a specific one.
 
hellopeople said:
You should do something about it then. Go camp outside an abortion clinic. To be honest, I don’t agree with abortion, and I might try to sit down and talk to someone I know well and try to convince them not to, but I would not condemn them or judge their actions because I have never (and will never) be in that situation.
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How do you know that I don’t? 🤷

www.40daysforlife.com

I also donate to pro-life crisis pregnancy centers and am a member of my parish’s Sanctity of Life group.

And yes, as a Christian, I can and should objectively judge acts and actions. What I cannot do is judge the state of someone’s soul.

Let me put it to you this way. Would you say the same thing about a woman who smothered her newborn child moments after its birth?
 
the question is not whether you want the child or not, it’s what God whats that matters, and a life is always precious in His eyes,
even in the case of a rape victim, that child is still precious, God KNOWS that child! intimately, and the blood of that child will cry to heaven for vengeance.

of course we have the right to choose, God gave us a free will to choose between good and evil, and in this case, you would be choosing evil…simple as that.

it’s so very sad that you would refer to a child, a living soul, as an unwelcome gift, God chose to allow that child to be conceived, all things ONLY happen by God allowing it, so do you think that a child, even conceived by rape, was conceived by Gods will only to be aborted?? everything happens for a reason, and abortion is an end, so it cannot be the reason.

how can anyone say that they are unwilling to suffer for the life of their child, when Jesus suffered and died for us?
the child of a rape victim is only a victim them self, why would a mother, after being forced to do something she did not want to do, go and force death on her own flesh and blood?
why is it murder when you kill a baby who was willingly conceived, but not murder when you kill a baby who was conceived against it’s will? the child is still yours, they would still love you just the same, and you would love them if you only waited until you could hold them in your arms…

rape is a crime, murder is a crime, but having a child is no crime…
ask God what is the right thing to do, “God, should i kill my baby?” you know very well that He would answer NO.
one sin does not justify another, rape does not justify murder.

suffering is no good excuse to kill, would you kill your mother if she made you suffer? or your sister? or your friend?
the only reason babies are being killed is because we can’t see them, and the feeling of them being there is surreal, unless someone is that seriously sick and twisted that they could kill a baby even after it’s born…

everyone has the right to choose between good and evil, but NO ONE has the right to choose for someone else! the child inside of you is still a human being, a creature of God, who God has given a free will also, and you are not above that creature to have any right over them.
when you choose abortion, you choose yourself over someone else, and we know that that is not what God teaches us, Jesus gave His life for us, we must follow His example…and that doesn’t just mean dieing for Him, it means giving our lives to Him, suffering for Him and giving all to Him…

we need more respect for life, love for others, and a healthy fear of God…look at all the natural disasters going on lately…i don’t think God is very pleased with us right now.
 
so you don’t think gifts can be unwelcome?
If the pregnancy is God’s will, is the rape too?
Is an STD a gift too?
I think someone gets pregnant when they are raped if the rapist’s sperm happen to fertilise an egg. It is permissible to use post-coital contraception to delay ovulation.
 
Doc_Keele said:
so you don’t think gifts can be unwelcome?
If the pregnancy is God’s will, is the rape too?
Is an STD a gift too?
I think someone gets pregnant when they are raped if the rapist’s sperm happen to fertilise an egg. It is permissible to use post-coital contraception to delay ovulation.
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the child is a gift because of what it is and who it’s from,
those other things are Gods will also because He allowed them, they are not gifts because they are sinful, but is the child a sin? no.
the acts themselves are sinful and God has no part in sin, but God has everything to do with the life of the child.
God brings good out of evil, He will allow evil only when good comes from it, so i agree with the others who have said that a baby is the only good that could come from rape…
you don’t know how much you love someone until you meet them, and i can guarantee you that no mother, even the mother of a child conceived through rape, would hate her child.
 
those other things are Gods will also because He allowed them
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Just because he allows them doesn’t mean they are His will. Sins obviously go against His will, He still allows them however.
 
…so because God allows a rapist’s sperm to fertilise the egg, it doesn’t mean it’s his will?
 
i can guarantee you that no mother, even the mother of a child conceived through rape, would hate her child
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really?
on what basis do you say so this?
 
Doc_Keele said:
…so because God allows a rapist’s sperm to fertilise the egg, it doesn’t mean it’s his will?

really?
on what basis do you say so this?
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the sin is that the man chose to rape and committed the act.

well i can’t imagine that a mother could ever hate her own child, unless she herself was that selfish…
yes i know some are capable of that, but what i’m saying is, no loving person could hate a child who has done nothing to be hated.
 
I think it’s quite feasible that a mother could hate a child conceived by rape even if just on a subconscious level
 
Doc_Keele said:
I think it’s quite feasible that a mother could hate a child conceived by rape even if just on a subconscious level
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ok sure, i agree with you, but do you think that justifies anything even still?
 
My position is that I wouldn’t insist that a raped woman should carry a pregnancy conceived from that rape. I personally think that someone in that situation *shouldn’t *have an abortion, but I also think that only the person in that situation can make that judgment.
Many women might love a child conceived through rape, but I don’t believe it would be true for all women. You and others have said that carrying the baby would be less traumatic, I’m not sure that’s true for every woman.
 
Doc_Keele said:
…so because God allows a rapist’s sperm to fertilise the egg, it doesn’t mean it’s his will?
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NO it is not God’s will that a Rapist would choose to rape another person.

Every human being born into this world is given the gift of (“Free Will”) to choose between “Good” or “Evil” acts. In that incredible gift of freedom a person is given the choice to believe in God or not to believe. To believe in God’s Commandments or not to believe.

That is the incredible force of Freedom and Responsibility that shoulders on every human soul. The freedom to do Good or Evil. Rape is an evil act. And those who commit this offense are answerable before God Almighty.

**2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them. **
 
Doc_Keele said:
My position is that I wouldn’t insist that a raped woman should carry a pregnancy conceived from that rape. I personally think that someone in that situation *shouldn’t *have an abortion, but I also think that only the person in that situation can make that judgment.
Many women might love a child conceived through rape, but I don’t believe it would be true for all women. You and others have said that carrying the baby would be less traumatic, I’m not sure that’s true for every woman.
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i see, well then we’re on the same page here, although i in no way support rape in any way shape or form, i would not *force *someone not to do something like that, i mean it’s not like with other people who have a knife or a gun you could take from them somehow, abortion is just alittle more complicated, to force them not to get an abortion you would have to lock them in a room or something…which would also be wrong…
i would only try to convince them otherwise as best as i can…and of course pray on it, but what else can you do?

when i speak of abortion as more traumatic then actually having the baby, i’m speaking in physical terms as well as mental,
here’s a site that will explain it better then i can -
abortionfacts.com/effects/effects.asp

the mothers life is just as important to me as the childs, so i think it’s also very important to talk about the side effects of abortion as well as the moral side of it.
 
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