Can raped girls abort?

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It’s not a strain at all that a few of the posts were construed as such.
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Great.
Let’s have references to the appropriate posts and a brief explanation as to how it is not such a strain.

By all means, edify us.
 
centuriionguard - I certainly wasn’t arguing at any stage that rape is God’s will!:eek:
 
Is it me, or is “Doc Keele” annoying?
You have yet to contribute anything to this discussion other than to try and go uut of your way to antagonize and/or annoy people. Oh, and to try and show off your “education”. We call those like you a “psuedo-intellectual”.
Your argument is no argument, other than to say “I don’t accept your argument”.
Show some substance.
“Philosophy”, indeed.
 
…so because God allows a rapist’s sperm to fertilise the egg, it doesn’t mean it’s his will?
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I think if there is a conception it has to be His will. I was saying the rape obviously wasn’t His will.
 
Asuno said:
Is it me, or is “Doc Keele” annoying?
You have yet to contribute anything to this discussion other than to try and go uut of your way to antagonize and/or annoy people. Oh, and to try and show off your “education”. We call those like you a “psuedo-intellectual”.
Your argument is no argument, other than to say “I don’t accept your argument”.
Show some substance.
“Philosophy”, indeed.
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Great contribution that “Asuno”! LOL:thumbsup:
I realise that someone having a different opinion is extremely annoying for some people…
sorry for daring to think independently:blush:
I shall stop if it offends you so grievously?👍
some people find it insulting to have to defend their position, I guess you may be one of them?
 
Rence said:
That’s how I feel about the matter. I don’t think it’s going to change.
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I respect this as your opinion. Having this discussion is refreshing in that we are not deteriorating and, perhaps, our words and example with speak to others who come along and read them. Honestly, my goal is not to change your mind. The discussion is important, in and of itself or we’ll never bridge this emotional gap.

We put our honesty and opinions out there, praying that they are in line with God’s will and that He will use them however He sees fit, no? Not a challenge, an exchange. I hope that is how it seems to you as well.

I do understand your opinion, in theory, even it shared briefly in my 20’s. Truth is Truth, whatever you call it. Please know that for me, my opinion on abortion has nothing to do with Catholicism and everything to do with humanity. My Faith requires me to follow my conscience in terms of protect innocent life. There are many, many agnostic and atheists who are prolife. The problem is when our value for all human life is so great and being Catholic is such a part of who I am, it is hard to talk generically about a human life.

Here’s an example, as I love analogies. Members NAMBLA believes and supports sexual and emotional relationships with young boys in spite of society’s intolerance of this and miles of evidence that show the damage done to these children. Society holds the men accountable when they are able to. Why does society not also protect innocent children as they used to? PLEASE DO NOT SEE THIS AS A COMPARISON TO WOMEN IN TERMS OF THEIR BEHAVIOR BEING EVIL. I would never discount the pain and turmoil and suffering of women, or condemn her for the decision. It is just not that simple an issue. I write this to show an example of when society steps in, in spite of someone’s right to their own body. Both situations, affect the life of another human being regardless of your religious beliefs. 🤷
Rence said:
I have no ulterior motive.
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Of course not. You have shared honest opinions in a forum where they are often not well received for which I am grateful. Your concern and compassion for women in such a hard situation is so very clear, too. I believe that we both want what is best for them. So we disagree. Let’s keep talking, with kindness, and let God sort out the good, shall we?
 
hellopeople said:
The problem is that morals are not black and white. There are definite gray areas. One shouldn’t impose their morals on anyone (other than in extreme circumstances).
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Truth and is black or white. That this is a human offspring being terminated is a Truth and there is nothing grey about that.

Society ‘imposes morals’ all the time. It’s called our legal system.
 
Fidelis_Unus said:
Truth and is black or white. That this is a human offspring being terminated is a Truth and there is nothing grey about that.

Society ‘imposes morals’ all the time. It’s called our legal system.
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Our legal system isn’t really imposing morals, it is imposing rules that keep society running properly. Some of the laws also apply to morality as well though (stealing, violence, etc).

If morals were black and white, people wouldn’t argue about them. If morals were black and white, there wouldn’t be people that think the Catholic church is evil for saying condoms shouldn’t be used in Africa. Obviously morals are not black and white.
 
Fidelis_Unus said:
Society ‘imposes morals’ all the time. It’s called our legal system.
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Well the legal system doesn’t in most countries attempt to impose morals. The Islamic Republic of Iran does - but then what do you think of the results? So did the pre-1994 Republic of South Africa (try and impose morals) when it banned miscegenation.
 
Rence said:
I think it takes a special person to resist the innate drive to protect oneself against further harm. It’s natural to protect ones self against further insult. And I think it’s wonderful that you’re such a person. Not everyone is though. For some, a continuation of the violation would just be too much to bear. In the end, it’s up to that woman to decide. She has to do what’s best for her, and for her spiritual, emotional and mental health as well. And no one else can answer that for her. Everyone is different.

It’s easy for someone else to demand another person to bear pain and suffering that they themselves haven’t, and even, will never experience. It takes a bigger person to try and understand the woman’s side.
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Now, this wasn’t very kind. :ouch: Why am I a smaller person because I have seen women who thought that abortion was the answer only to discover years later that they have a pain and loss that they will never fill? See afterabortion.org. I care about the women entirely, why do people think because we prefer that women not choose a quick fix, if it causes them great suffering later. Which is more compassionate?

I believe that it takes a bigger person to gather all the information, react in Love and speak out even if it’s unpopular or unwelcome. Not lecturing or harassing, just speaking the Truth.
 
hellopeople said:
Our legal system isn’t really imposing morals, it is imposing rules that keep society running properly. Some of the laws also apply to morality as well though (stealing, violence, etc).

If morals were black and white, people wouldn’t argue about them. If morals were black and white, there wouldn’t be people that think the Catholic church is evil for saying condoms shouldn’t be used in Africa. Obviously morals are not black and white.
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People arguing about morals, does not change the fact that there are truths, only interpretations. Somewhere in the midst of the arguing is Truth, that which is morally right.

Rav Horovits saids it pretty well, “Morality is, in a sense, the source of law, the source of knowing good from evil.” by Rav B. Horovitz

Another comparison of Morals and Laws said, “If law is not based on morality, on what can it be based ? The irony and hypocrisy of those who argue that Christian morality must be exorcised from law and society are that, at the same time, they are arguing for new laws based upon their own particular moral base…Christian morality, derived from the Ten Commandments, underlies the common law. Criminal law is based on the Ten Commandments, which also underlie the law of contract and the law of civil wrongs.” -doctor Mark Cooray
 
That’s one particular view of the law. There’s various schools of jurisprudence, and there are philosophical problems with all of them.
 
Fidelis_Unus said:
People arguing about morals, does not change the fact that there are truths, only interpretations. Somewhere in the midst of the arguing is Truth, that which is morally right.

Rav Horovits saids it pretty well, “Morality is, in a sense, the source of law, the source of knowing good from evil.” by Rav B. Horovitz

Another comparison of Morals and Laws said, “If law is not based on morality, on what can it be based ? The irony and hypocrisy of those who argue that Christian morality must be exorcised from law and society are that, at the same time, they are arguing for new laws based upon their own particular moral base…Christian morality, derived from the Ten Commandments, underlies the common law. Criminal law is based on the Ten Commandments, which also underlie the law of contract and the law of civil wrongs.” -doctor Mark Cooray
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I don’t think that the 10 commandments are the source of criminal law at all. Lets go through the 10 commandments and see which ones are illegal to break. Only two of the 10 commandments are against the law (stealing and murder). So how is criminal law based on 10 rules, if 8 out of 10 of the rules are legal?

Also, if law was based on morality, then there would be a lot more things that were illegal. Adultery might be illegal if the law was based on morality.
 
wanner47 said:
Which is why the pronouns “you” and “your” are being used in a general sense, not a specific one.
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I learned a long time ago that YOU is a word best avoided on message boards. For me, the term ONE sounds less like finger pointing and less like a personal attack.

Just a suggestion. Hope one finds it helpful and not condescending. 😃

God bless.
 
hellopeople said:
I don’t think that the 10 commandments are the source of criminal law at all. Lets go through the 10 commandments and see which ones are illegal to break. Only two of the 10 commandments are against the law (stealing and murder). So how is criminal law based on 10 rules, if 8 out of 10 of the rules are legal?

Also, if law was based on morality, then there would be a lot more things that were illegal. Adultery might be illegal if the law was based on morality.
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With such a lack of understanding the depth and complexity of the ten commandments, I simply not sure how to respond. Perhaps someone else can handle this question better than I right now, or I can follow up late. btw adultery is actually illegal in some states (OK for example), just not enforced.

Regardless, our laws are based on the commandments. This is a truth, whether one believes it or not. 🤷 Perhaps this should be a separate thread and probably a very good one. in fact I will start it. 😃
 
Fidelis_Unus said:
With such a lack of understanding the depth and complexity of the ten commandments, I simply not sure how to respond. Perhaps someone else can handle this question better than I right now, or I can follow up late. btw adultery is actually illegal in some states (OK for example), just not enforced.

Regardless, our laws are based on the commandments. This is a truth, whether one believes it or not. 🤷 Perhaps this should be a separate thread and probably a very good one. in fact I will start it. 😃
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I would be happy to see your evidence.
 
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