Nice hair-split. Really, if an event is outside nature, what’s the difference whether it is called “preter” or “super”?Well again, supernatural pertains specifically and solely to the Divine.
Demonic things strictly speaking are preternatural.
See the link I provided at Post #20.Nice hair-split. Really, if an event is outside nature, what’s the difference whether it is called “preter” or “super”?
With regard to the extra-natural (how’s that for a work-around) things that the devil can, St. Paul called them “lying wonders”. See 2 Thessalonians 2:9.
Yes, he can… the bible tells us MANY false prophets will be able perform great signs and wonders to fool the people, some even able to call down fire from the sky! So, Id bet if many false prophets are able to do such supernatural acts, Satan is likely the one ‘endowing’ them with these powers…in other words, these many false prophets were not born with any supernatural abilities, they were given to them at some point, by someone.can satan perform miracles like preserving bodies.
how do you know satan didnt preserve the bodies of the some of the dead saints.
Satan CANNOT perform miracles. Miracles are produced by God only! You really have to look at the definition of miracles which I gave in an earlier post.Yes, he can… the bible tells us MANY false prophets will be able perform great signs and wonders to fool the people, some even able to call down fire from the sky! So, Id bet if many false prophets are able to do such supernatural acts, Satan is likely the one ‘endowing’ them with these powers…in other words, these many false prophets were not born with any supernatural abilities, they were given to them at some point, by someone.
However, WHY God would allow Satan to have such powers is beyond me…furthermore, I think its very strange satan has ANY power or supernatural abilities, when he tried to literally overthrow Heaven and take Gods throne for himself…and God still allowed him SOOO much power…?? doesnt make sense to me, but Im assuming this was all in Gods overall plan.
If, indeed, the evil one can appear to heal someone physically, then nightmares and other problems will come to the person who is so healed. (For example, Reiki)I have my doubts that Satan can truly “heal” anybody or anything.
Satan is on a leash; God allows satan to test us. If we follow Jesus, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, satan cannot hurt us.Yes, he can… the bible tells us MANY false prophets will be able perform great signs and wonders to fool the people, some even able to call down fire from the sky! So, Id bet if many false prophets are able to do such supernatural acts, Satan is likely the one ‘endowing’ them with these powers…in other words, these many false prophets were not born with any supernatural abilities, they were given to them at some point, by someone.
However, WHY God would allow Satan to have such powers is beyond me…furthermore, I think its very strange satan has ANY power or supernatural abilities, when he tried to literally overthrow Heaven and take Gods throne for himself…and God still allowed him SOOO much power…?? doesnt make sense to me, but Im assuming this was all in Gods overall plan.
Another equally interesting question is this: Are there people known to NOT be saints, whose bodies have been preserved incorrupt? Because if there are, then the preservation of the bodies of some saints cannot be said to be miraculous.I did not see it in specifically answered in your posts 16 or 30. What do you answer for the OPs question “how do you know satan didnt preserve the bodies of the some of the dead saints”?
This is just your opinion, correct?First of all: There is no Satan. There is just as much proof for a giant koala living on Neptune as there is for the existence of a Devil.
Luke 10:17-19Second: In the Christian tradition: Satan is need not be the prince of darkness. Where in the Bible is there a depiction of a figure being cast out of heaven and at war with God. There is a Satan figure in the book of Job who functions as God’s sidekick, who works with God to torment and test that poor Job fella.
Unless you or anyone else you know have seen this Satan dude, its more than a opinion.This is just your opinion, correct?
Luke 10:17-19
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.” 18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Revelation 12:7
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
Does this mean that simply because you haven’t seen him, he cannot exist?Unless you or anyone else you know have seen this Satan dude, its more than a opinion.
Well, I’m not sure from the way you phrase your question whether you are serious, but God spoke to the serpent - not necessarily to Satan himself. However, either way, the account of the Fall in Genesis may be allegorical and not literal in all of its details.
- Then what was Satan doing just chilling with God in Job? Wasn’t he supposed to be cursed to wander earth on his belly from selling magic fruit to Adam? Why the devil can’t he stay still?
I see that you have a little bit of familiarity with the Bible. May I suggest that a lot more would benefit you greatly?
- Revelation speaks of a dragon, not satan. WHO knows what that is supposed to mean but the dude who wrote the book. For all we know it could have been Emperor Nero. (As some biblical scholars attest)
Not at all. Its just that the amount of concrete evidence in a big boogeyman who is immortal forces any openminded person to place the likelihood of the existence of satan in the same realm of possibility as say, an invisible llama named Terry.Does this mean that simply because you haven’t seen him, he cannot exist?
Oh! So satan did not tempt adam! He had nothing to do with the fall. It was snakes! I am confused is satan the snake in your interpretation or not?Well, I’m not sure from the way you phrase your question whether you are serious, but God spoke to the serpent - not necessarily to Satan himself. However, either way, the account of the Fall in Genesis may be allegorical and not literal in all of its details.
Wait? Genesis MAY be allegorical but Revelations is not? I am confused. Even the Bishops say you can’t read it without understanding the context in which it was written-that is roman persecution of Christianity at the hands of Nero.I see that you have a little bit of familiarity with the Bible. May I suggest that a lot more would benefit you greatly?
The most you can say with certainty is that you know of no proof that Satan exists.First of all: There is no Satan. There is just as much proof for a giant koala living on Neptune as there is for the existence of a Devil.
Second: In the Christian tradition: Satan is need not be the prince of darkness. Where in the Bible is there a depiction of a figure being cast out of heaven and at war with God. There is a Satan figure in the book of Job who functions as God’s sidekick, who works with God to torment and test that poor Job fella.
Did Jesus speak of Satan or the “evil one” during His public ministry?Not at all. Its just that the amount of concrete evidence in a big boogeyman who is immortal forces any openminded person to place the likelihood of the existence of satan in the same realm of possibility as say, an invisible llama named Terry.
What proof do we have that Jesus actually spoke those words? A book that was written 70 years after he died? So a guy in a book says a giant boogeyman exists? Do you believe in the characters from other ancient religions that were also attested to be real?Did Jesus speak of Satan or the “evil one” during His public ministry?
If so, to whom was He referring?
Jesus was crucified and rose again around AD 30. The earliest books of the NT were written around AD 50-55, so it wasn’t “70 years after he died”.What proof do we have that Jesus actually spoke those words? A book that was written 70 years after he died? So a guy in a book says a giant boogeyman exists? Do you believe in the characters from other ancient religions that were also attested to be real?