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Dan_Defender
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Yes but the ‘why’ is a very big inquiry they may never get there. It may end up like dark matter and dark energy: no explanation.
Anyone more than 5 minutes old falsifies it. Carbon dating falsifies it.nothing can refute the proposition. It is not falsifiable
But Catholicism is grounded in observable reality. Aquinas’ ways showing God exists are. Things are caused by prior things = based on observable reality that parents cause kids, seeds cause trees, etc. That these things have characteristics (eg kid w brown hair) based on the prior cause (eg parent w brown hair). And that logically there had to be a first UNCAUSED CAUSE (God) which cannot be finite physical cause since (again based on observable reality) we know that all finite physical causes (eg human) have characteristics (brown hair) based on prior cause (parent). So the first UNCAUSED CAUSE can’t be physical finite entity since then would have to have prior cause.By staying with scientific observations you ground yourself in observable reality. By adopting religious, non-falsifiable beliefs, you ground (sky?) yourself in a set of beliefs that are as valid as anyone else’s set of beliefs and cannot be rationally discussed.
Consider that this entire post isn’t scientific, it’s philosophical. To argue that the scientific method gives us real, grounded truths (and reasons why) is not in itself a scientific argument, but a philosophical one, and it presumes certain philosophical truths.Hmm. I know that philosophy is important in Catholic thought. It is not so much for me. To explain further: if I postulate that the world and everything in it, including all things appearing to be old, or human-made, and our thoughts and memories, were created by a God five minutes ago - nothing can refute the proposition. It is not falsifiable. It is not scientific. Most critical religious beliefs are like that. You may not be able to disprove them, but neither can they be observed, still less proven. By staying with scientific observations you ground yourself in observable reality. By adopting religious, non-falsifiable beliefs, you ground (sky?) yourself in a set of beliefs that are as valid as anyone else’s set of beliefs and cannot be rationally discussed.
You are missing the point. What if a god made it seem things were old when they were not?Anyone more than 5 minutes old falsifies it. Carbon dating falsifies it
No I don’t dismiss religion. Not sure about philosophy. Religion is universal in human societies. It requires explanation and it, or the biological processes that give rise to it was almost certainly an evolutionary advantage. It is a part of the human condition.I think you too easily dismiss religion and philosophy as something akin to sentiment. It will be difficult to have a conversation about things like that if that’s all you think they are.
A human being alive > 5 minutes refutes Universe being 5 minutes old. This is just plain common sense.You are missing the point.
I’ll try to explain. Assume there is a god, who is the creator of all we experience. This god created it all, five minutes ago, with the appearance of age, including our (false) memories of having been here earlier than five minutes ago. It is impossible to refute this proposition, which explains all phenomena. It is also not possible to imagine something which would falsify it. The example you cite does not. ‘God’ made it seem that way, but in fact nothing existed prior to five minutes ago. Its lack of fallibility is what makes it a non-scientific proposition. It cannot be argued against. No observation refutes it. Like flying to heaven on a winged horse, transubstantiation, creation of the universe in some unspecified way, such religious beliefs do not form a part of science. Science is interested, however, on why people believe them. The can be tested.A human being alive > 5 minutes refutes Universe being 5 minutes old. This is just plain common sense.