Can somebody explain Luke 5:39?

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[37] And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: otherwise the new wine will break the bottles, and it will be spilled, and the bottles will be lost. [38] But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. [39] And no man drinking old, hath presently a mind to new: for he saith, The old is better.
-Luke 5:37-39
 
I think it is refering to the new convenant. Don’t pour new wine (The covenant) into old vessels (the Pharises). Put new wine(the new covenant) into new vessels (his disciples) and through this both the vessels(his disciples/christians) and the wine (the new covenant) can be preserved.

verse 39 is just speaking that change is difficult and people prefer the old over the new.

Basically it’s just saying that making a new coventant with the Pharisees would be a bad idea because they are stuck in their ways. However, if you make a new covenant with willing people, both the person and the covenant will be preserved.
 
Could it be that the old covenant is indeed better, but only for a chosen few?
 
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Could it be that the old covenant is indeed better, but only for a chosen few?
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Well, the thing is we are all to pay attention to the old laws and the new laws. I think these verses speak of those who embrace the old because they are familiar but refuse the new. The disciples would be following the old law and the new convenant.
 
No. The point is that new wine is expansive and big and bubbly with fermentation, so it will split an old wineskin open like an overstressed balloon. Jesus is the new wine and the leaven fermenting it, even at that moment doing something new in the world. It would be inappropriate to pour Himself and His teachings into the same ol’ same ol’ forms of fasting, penitence, ritual cleanliness, etc., because He’s busy doing something else; and therefore, He won’t make His disciples do that stuff either.

However, He does point out that His disciples will fast when He’s gone. At that point, what’s He’s come to do will be done and the first period of new wine fermentation (so to speak) will be over, so it will be safe to pour the somewhat older wine into that particular old wineskin of fasting. Then they will drink His new wine as safe old vintage wine, and be content. The disciples’ actions will not be so confusing to them anymore.

But it’s all about the rationale of His teaching and whether His followers should fast, and not at all about Judaism or the Pharisees (except insofar as God obviously instituted both fasting and eating, so it’s all His wineskins to play with).
 
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[37] And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: otherwise the new wine will break the bottles, and it will be spilled, and the bottles will be lost. [38] But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. [39] And no man drinking old, hath presently a mind to new: for he saith, The old is better.
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What version of the bible is THAT?

Bottles?!

I think the original version was “wineskins”, which is what they carried around back then.

Or am I wrong?

Patrick?
 
steve53 said:
What version of the bible is THAT?

Bottles?!

I think the original version was “wineskins”, which is what they carried around back then.

Or am I wrong?

Patrick?
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I believe that version is the Douay Rheims. The KJV is very similar. Both say, “Bottles.”
The word in Greek is ασκοι, which means a “skin bag” used as a bottle.

The Latin for old bottles is utres veteres. It can be rendered bottle or wineskin.

Bless you.
 
Consistent with the teaching of Hebrews and Galatians which tell us that under the new covenant, Gentiles did not have to subject themselves to the old covenant (the mosaic law) to be saved, I believe this is telling us that the new covenant was not intended to work within, and under, the mosaic law. This was in fact a debate in Acts.

Interestingly, today, in the “Hebrew Roots” movement, there are some Christians who are Torah observant and who suggest that remain under the mosaic law (at least in terms of sanctification) - I believe this is in fact putting the new wine in “old wineskins”.

That said, I believe we have “liberty” to follow all or any part of the mosaic law if we do it for the glory of God and not because we believe it is necessary for salvation or sanctification.

Blessings,

Brian
 
Jesus knew that the Pharisees had corrupted the Law and rejected God, and so would reject Him. It is quite evident from the surrounding text what Jesus is saying to them.

You will see that the Pharisees complained that Jesus’ disciples were not fasting like John’s disciples did, which was the normal thing to do, but was not actually a requirement of the Law…no one was getting stoned to death because they didn’t fast.

He tells them that only a fool would ruin a new garment by cutting a hole in it and patching an old one, or put new wine into old wine skins. He did NOT say that the old garment and used wine skins are useless and discarded.

The Pharisees were testing Jesus and thought He were claiming to be a prophet (like Moses), so they were looking for him to make a mistake and reverse or change what Moses said so that they could condemn Him as a false prophet. They refused to believe that He was the Son of God.

What He is saying is that He is not there to ‘patch up’ the Law or add to it or abolish it. He is not there to try to replace the Law with a new Law (He is not replacing anything). See Matthew 5:17 in which He states "I have not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it "-- Jesus doesn’t replace teachings under the Law, but He does often clarify them throughout the Gospels.

It is not that Jesus was teaching them that He was making a New Covenant with a new set of rules that would clash with the Law and so wouldn’t fit, He was teaching them that He was NOT replacing the ‘old wine’ which was in ‘old wine skins’ with ‘new wine’. He was fulfilling the Law: so now is the time to wear the garment, now is the time to drink the wine (for it has aged to perfection, and the wedding feast is upon us)…now is the time to celebrate with the bride groom.: not make new wine or patch the old garment with a new one. Jesus never replaced anything. All of the Sacraments are from the Law.
 
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