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Can somebody verify this to be actually true re Rentapriests?
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Br.Rich_SFO
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Sure, they are out there. They cannot enter or conduct any Sacraments on any Church owned property without the Bishops permission. Any Of the Faithful that knowingly attend any Sacrament with these priests commits a grave sin.
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gvogt4
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This is pretty much an advertisement for this “group”.
Yeh, just do what you want in spite of the Vatican and you can have your way is their loose interpretation of Can 27. See other Canons listed, then go to this link -
catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=21117
Can. 27 Custom is the best interpreter of laws.
Can. 23 Only that custom introduced by a community of the faithful and approved by the legislator according to the norm of the following canons has the force of law.
Can. 24 §1. No custom which is contrary to divine law can obtain the force of law.
§2. A custom contrary to or beyond canon law (praeter ius canonicum) cannot obtain the force of law unless it is reasonable; a custom which is expressly reprobated in the law, however, is not reasonable.
Can. 25 No custom obtains the force of law unless it has been observed with the intention of introducing a law by a community capable at least of receiving law.
Can. 26 Unless the competent legislator has specifically approved it, a custom contrary to the canon law now in force or one beyond a canonical law (praeter legem canonicam) obtains the force of law only if it has been legitimately observed for thirty continuous and complete years. Only a centenary or immemorial custom, however, can prevail against a canonical law which contains a clause prohibiting future customs.
Yeh, just do what you want in spite of the Vatican and you can have your way is their loose interpretation of Can 27. See other Canons listed, then go to this link -
catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=21117
Can. 27 Custom is the best interpreter of laws.
Can. 23 Only that custom introduced by a community of the faithful and approved by the legislator according to the norm of the following canons has the force of law.
Can. 24 §1. No custom which is contrary to divine law can obtain the force of law.
§2. A custom contrary to or beyond canon law (praeter ius canonicum) cannot obtain the force of law unless it is reasonable; a custom which is expressly reprobated in the law, however, is not reasonable.
Can. 25 No custom obtains the force of law unless it has been observed with the intention of introducing a law by a community capable at least of receiving law.
Can. 26 Unless the competent legislator has specifically approved it, a custom contrary to the canon law now in force or one beyond a canonical law (praeter legem canonicam) obtains the force of law only if it has been legitimately observed for thirty continuous and complete years. Only a centenary or immemorial custom, however, can prevail against a canonical law which contains a clause prohibiting future customs.
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johntkd
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I know a priest that left the church to get married but still considers himself a priest
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otjm
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Well, he is a priest, but he is a priest without faculties; that is, he does not have the authority to administer the sacraments.I know a priest that left the church to get married but still considers himself a priest
A priest is not an individual floating around out there with no connection to the Church; he is either a priest in a diocese, and therefore udner the authority of the bishop, and from whom he derives his authority to confect the sacraments, or his in an order, and his authority comes first from the head of his order, and then secondly from the bishop in the diocese he is physically residing in.
The question may be whether the priest you know left the Church (that is, he is no longer a practicing Catholic) or whether he was laicized, meaning that Rome has dispensed him from his vows and removed his ability to perform as a priest - but he is still a practicing Catholic.
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Can you explain the second part of that? I thought that if he was part of an order, the bishop of the diocese had no bearing on him and he was accountable only to the head of his order.his in an order, and his authority comes first from the head of his order, and then secondly from the bishop in the diocese he is physically residing in.
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kleary
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Just like altar girls as the article correctly mentions… the same with communion in the hand. Keep defying the Vatican nowadays and eventually you will get your way.
That is sick, but it seems to be right on the money. It happened with altar girls, it surely can happen also with the Latin Rite discipline of celibacy.
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Catholig
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Another thing that I think is disturbing is the reference to “in-home Mass”.Just like altar girls as the article correctly mentions… the same with communion in the hand. Keep defying the Vatican nowadays and eventually you will get your way.
That is sick, but it seems to be right on the money. It happened with altar girls, it surely can happen also with the Latin Rite discipline of celibacy.
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otjm
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If, for example, one is ordained a priest in the Benedictine order, one is under the authority of the abbot. However, one is not free to just wander in to a parish and say Mass; the bishop has the authority over his diocese (and as I understand it, that includes the permission to set up the abbey therein) and the authority of a Benedictine priest to say Mass publicly in a parish ultimately reside in the bishop. Not that it is not freely given, but it is still the provence of the bishop.Can you explain the second part of that? I thought that if he was part of an order, the bishop of the diocese had no bearing on him and he was accountable only to the head of his order.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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Again the Bishop has the authority to regulate the celebration of Mass or any other Sacrament within the boundries of his diocese. He can and many have said that Mass outside of the parish church building or dedicated chapel (like a nursing home) must have his specific permission before it can take place.Another thing that I think is disturbing is the reference to “in-home Mass”.
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Spirithound
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The bishop is in charge of his diocese, but the superior of the order is in charge of his priests. So, the Benedictines are generally a monastic order, so a priest of the Benedictine order would need permission from his abbot to celebrate Mass publicly, and permission from the bishop to celebrate Mass in a parish. (And permission from the pastor if the parish is not his own.)Can you explain the second part of that? I thought that if he was part of an order, the bishop of the diocese had no bearing on him and he was accountable only to the head of his order.
If a priest is a member of say, the Dominicans, or the Companions of the Cross (based in Ottawa), their charisms are geared more towards preaching, and so permission to celebrate Mass publicly would likely be given by the superior of the order upon acceptance into the order (and reception of priestly faculties from the bishop), and most Companions are actually assigned to parishes, so that would be the bishop’s permission to celebrate in a diocesan parish.
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