Can Someone Explain Protestant Churches who have the Holy Eucharist?

[Lochias]

What is your evidence or source for this?

The lines of authority and pedigree that Jesus gave to the Catholic Church have been greatly discussed on this forum, and you can find them anywhere, and in other places. Again, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism by Dave Armstrong takes the entire thing point by point, both historically and with the Bible.

This is a separate issue from the question of validity of Lutheran clergy and sacraments. To be sure, we absolutely agree that the division between us is not what Christ calls for. You (Catholics) are our brothers and sisters in Christ, and we are yours, and we mus do all that is possible to find reconciliation.

Jon

They aren’t separate if the Church teaches that the Lutheran clergy and sacraments have no beginning authority to begin with. The question must begin with “Who has the authority to say that their and others’ clergy and sacraments are valid or invalid?”

At any rate, we are indeed brothers and sisters in Christ, and I hope that reconciliation is found.

 

[komeeks18]

I’m pretty sure all Protestant churches view Communion symbolically. Although I consider myself a Baptist, I agree with Calvin’s teachings that Christ is not literally there in the elements, but that he is spiritually there. Most Baptists believe though, that it is purely symbolic & a remembrance of Christ’s sacrifice.

 

[gcnuss]

I’m pretty sure all Protestant churches view Communion symbolically. Although I consider myself a Baptist, I agree with Calvin’s teachings that Christ is not literally there in the elements, but that he is spiritually there. Most Baptists believe though, that it is purely symbolic & a remembrance of Christ’s sacrifice.

I can assure you that Lutherans – along with, I believe, Episcopalians and Anglicans – do not consider Holy Communion to be symbolic. We take our Lord’s words very seriously (and, literally) – “this is my body” and “this is the new covenant in my blood.”

 

[komeeks18]

@gcnuss: Yes, I know Lutherans, Anglicans, and Episcopalians believe that it is the actual blood and body of Christ, but it is different from the Catholic view (transubstantiation). Most Protestants (Fundamentalists, Evangelicals, Latter-day Saints, etc.) though view Communion symbolically. Sorry if I offended you; I should have gone into greater detail.

Sending love and blessings,
Katie

 

[GCMac87]

@gcnuss: Yes, I know Lutherans, Anglicans, and Episcopalians believe that it is the actual blood and body of Christ, but it is different from the Catholic view (transubstantiation). Most Protestants (Fundamentalists, Evangelicals, Latter-day Saints, etc.) though view Communion symbolically. Sorry if I offended you; I should have gone into greater detail.

Sending love and blessings,
Katie

Actually, some Anglicans (many Anglo-Catholics like myself for instance) do indeed subscribe to the doctrine of transubstantiation as the best explanation of Christ’s presence in the Blessed Sacrament.

Also, and I do not mean to offend any LDS, but I wouldn’t categorize Mormons as Protestants as their understanding of the Holy Trinity (amongst other things) is at odds with the basic tenets of traditional Christianity (be it Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, etc.).

 

[Nine_Two]

I can assure you that Lutherans – along with, I believe, Episcopalians and Anglicans – do not consider Holy Communion to be symbolic. We take our Lord’s words very seriously (and, literally) – “this is my body” and “this is the new covenant in my blood.”

Episcopalians are Anglicans.

They use the name “Episcopalian” in two provinces - Scotland, and the United States - places where “Anglican” had negative nationalistic meaning.

Its also noteworthy that Anglicans can believe whatever they want regarding the Eucharist.

In all my time as an Anglican (from cradle to adulthood) I was given no teaching regarding it.

 

[komeeks18]

Well, I consider Mormons Protestants, because I don’t know what else to consider them as. Even though my beliefs different greatly than the Church of Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ, they still worship Jesus and do not agree with the Catholic Church’s teachings, so I consider them Protestants. They sort of are in a group of their own, but they’re still Christians to me.

 

[brb3]

… Christ is not literally there in the elements, but that he is spiritually there.

By literally, you mean bodily Christ’s resurrected body ] ?

Why do Baptists only see the post-Calvary Christ as pure spirit only ? Scripture teaches at the Rapture, Christ will be visible to all.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Episcopalians are Anglicans.

They use the name “Episcopalian” in two provinces - Scotland, and the United States - places where “Anglican” had negative nationalistic meaning.

Its also noteworthy that Anglicans can believe whatever they want regarding the Eucharist.

In all my time as an Anglican (from cradle to adulthood) I was given no teaching regarding it.

Nine_Two,
I’ve visited nearly every province in your country. Love Canadians–even married one, but it didn’t take.

I agree that beliefs among Anglicans vary widely regarding the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. As an Episcopal Anglo Catholic, I do believe in the Real Presence and have no issue with Transubstantiation. I yield to the Mystery of the Eucharist, knowing the Consecrated Bread and Wine are the Body and Blood of Christ.

Peace,
Anna

 

[GKC]

Nine_Two,
I’ve visited nearly every province in your country. Love Canadians–even married one, but it didn’t take.

I agree that beliefs among Anglicans vary widely regarding the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. As an Episcopal Anglo Catholic, I do believe in the Real Presence and have no issue with Transubstantiation. I yield to the Mystery of the Eucharist, knowing the Consecrated Bread and Wine are the Body and Blood of Christ.

Peace,
Anna

As a definitely non-Episcopal Anglo-Catholic, I agree. And for me, Transubstantiation seems as good an effort to explain how the wheels go around as one can imagine.

GKC

 

[Anna_Scott]

As a definitely non-Episcopal Anglo-Catholic, I agree. And for me, Transubstantiation seems as good an effort to explain how the wheels go around as one can imagine.

GKC

GKC,
No disagreement from me.

Peace,
Anna

 

[hn160]

Well, I consider Mormons Protestants, because I don’t know what else to consider them as. Even though my beliefs different greatly than the Church of Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ, they still worship Jesus and do not agree with the Catholic Church’s teachings, so I consider them Protestants. They sort of are in a group of their own, but they’re still Christians to me.

You better read up on the beliefs of the LDS before you consider them Christan. They are not Christian. They don’t believe in the Holy Trinity. They believe in Jesus, but he is is not the Christian Jesus. They believe that their god is just god of this world and other worlds have different gods. Jesus and Satan are brothers. In addition, if you do everything right in the Mormon Church, you could become a god.

 

[perro_sarnoso]

I don’t really understand how Episcopalians, Anglicans, or other Protestant branches are able to have Holy Communion. Can someone please explain this to me? Also, can someone direct me to a list of churches (other than the orthodox Churches in the East) that Rome allows to give Holy Communion that are not in the Latin Church or the Eastern Churches? Are there any other Protestant churches that are able to give Holy Communion or is it just Episcopalian/Anglican?

They can call it whatever they want,

True Eucharist occurs only in the Catholic Church at the hands of an duly ordained priest and higher rank.

Just because a protestant religion calls it [communion] or [eucharist] doesn’t make it such. And you nor any catholic should be participating of it.

 

[RyanBlack]

True Eucharist occurs only in the Catholic Church at the hands of an duly ordained priest and higher rank.

Incorrect, according to the Catholic Church herself. The Assyrian Church of the East, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Churches, as well as a few others, such as the Polish National Catholic Church, all have valid sacraments.

 

[Contarini]

The problem with the Episcopal Church is that it broke from apostolic succession.

That’s Rome’s claim, based primarily on the wording of the ordination liturgy used under Edward VI, which eliminated priestly/sacrificial language. We certainly claim to have episcopal succession, but the argument from your side is that after the reign of Edward we no longer meant the same thing by “bishop” and “presbyter” and thus could not ordain valid bishops or presbyters.

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

Also, and I do not mean to offend any LDS, but I wouldn’t categorize Mormons as Protestants as their understanding of the Holy Trinity (amongst other things) is at odds with the basic tenets of traditional Christianity (be it Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, etc.).

Oh, they’re definitely Protestants, whether or not they are Christians.

Edwin

 

[Luvtosew]

Unless the Eucharist (bread) is offered to God as a Sacrifice, no Protestant church has the same Eucharist as the Catholic Church, from my reading the Mass is considered a Sacrifice and it is to continue taking away sins.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Unless the Eucharist (bread) is offered to God as a Sacrifice, no Protestant church has the same Eucharist as the Catholic Church, from my reading the Mass is considered a Sacrifice and it is to continue taking away sins.

Luvtosew,

Christ is not sacrificed over and over again in the Eucharist.

Peace,
Anna

 

[Luvtosew]

Luvtosew,

Christ is not sacrificed over and over again in the Eucharist.

Peace,
Anna

Anna, I have read so many articles on it, but heres a link:

therealpresence.org/archives/Sacraments/Sacraments_014.htm

 

[GKC]

Anna, I have read so many articles on it, but heres a link:

therealpresence.org/archives/Sacraments/Sacraments_014.htm

And yet, I will be amazed if you can find a definitive, dogmatic RC definition of the Mass and the Eucharistic sacrifice, as a re-sacrificing of Christ. That is, as another sacrifice, an additional sacrifice, an added sacrifice, a repeated sacrifice, separate from the One Sacrifice of Calvary.

GKC,