Can someone explain to me the differences between traditional and Vatican II Catholics?

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I tend to think people think what they want to think. If they truly want to know Church teaching, they will read the Catechism, not just ask a lot of random questions and then decide whatever they want to believe from the answers they get.

I’m sure traditionalists would point to your statement as why we need a black and white rule book like the old school Baltimore Catechism.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I tend to think people think what they want to think. If they truly want to know Church teaching, they will read the Catechism, not just ask a lot of random questions and then decide whatever they want to believe from the answers they get.

I’m sure traditionalists would point to your statement as why we need a black and white rule book like the old school Baltimore Catechism.

Different strokes for different folks.
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I am only asking because I have the time right now to do so. I will get to the Catechism. I ask but I don’t mean to offend. I didn’t think I’d get underhanded comments. I wasn’t disagreeing with you just that people might interpret that as being too inclusive. I apologize if I’ve offended.

But what did you mean about traditionalists and my statement? That because of my statement being so erroneous that we need a black and white rulebook, or that they would agree with me and say because of what you said we need a new black and white rulebook?

I am totally open to criticism, I am new to the Catholic faith, but I was never totally ignorant of it. I know many believe that there is no salvation outside of Christ.
 
AugustineFanNYC said:
It’s just that if you were to tell someone exactly what you told me about the 10 Buddhists and the 1 Catholic. Someone might think, oh well then God just chooses people based on how good they are, so I don’t need the Catholic Church,
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Here’s how I think of it.
God has extraordinary means to save someone. But if you intentionally rely on them, it’s a bad bet. Since someone who believes the Catholic Church as the true Church would be sinning by intentionally not being a part of it.
 
mVitus said:
God has extraordinary means to save someone. But if you intentionally rely on them, it’s a bad bet. Since someone who believes the Catholic Church as the true Church would be sinning by intentionally not being a part of it.
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Yes, exactly. I hinted at this by saying that we should not rely on that. But instead focus on what he objectively stated to us in scripture and through His Church.

Good post
 
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I was also hinting at someone who would hear that statement and think, well I don’t need the Catholic Church, or Christianity at all, because if God is saving Buddhists who don’t even care about the Bible, and it’s all about being a good person, then I will just follow the law. I will just be a good person, whatever that means to them.
 
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AugustineFanNYC said:
What are Traditional Catholics? What traditions are you upholding and how do many of you differ from other Catholics?
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To be quite honest, other than on this forum I have literally never heard someone describe themselves that way.

The internet has a way of blowing up what are actually to the vast majority of Catholics minor issues of preferences, as though they were deep rifts affecting the majority of those in the pew.
 
Psssst! You can be a traditional and a Vatican II Catholic! They’re not mutually exclusive!
 
Father David taught us that little loophole allowing them to remain in state
 
Go to the “Being Catholic” section of the FishEaters website, and look at the top left for the link called: “Traditional Catholicism 101: A Brief Primer”. It explains everything.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
There is no salvation outside Christ and His Church, the Catholic Church.

However, people have different views as to how one can be in communion with Christ and His Church. The current Catechism takes a broad, inclusive view. In the past, many Catholics took a much narrower view that in their minds would result in many more non-Catholics going to the h…l place.
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Please clarify the above statement for me. Are you saying that individual Catholics are free and welcome to have and practice from a different viewpoint than that of the dictates of the Catechism?
 
Ivana said:
Go to the “Being Catholic” section of the FishEaters website, and look at the top left for the link called: “Traditional Catholicism 101: A Brief Primer”. It explains everything.
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Thank you!
 
  1. These destinctions are personal destinctions not formally recognized by the church. There is only ONE church, ONE faith, ONE Baptism in Christ Jesus.
  2. It is true that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic (Universal) church. What many people do not know is that EVERY person who is validly baptised (in the Trinitarian form) IS a member of Jesus universal (Catholic) church…they just dont realize it.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Every Catholic who follows the teachings of the Catholic Church are traditional Catholics. Doesn’t matter which format of the Mass they prefer, but most belong to their local parish and attend the Novus Ordo in the vernacular, and have no desire for a return to the Tridentine Latin Mass, TLM.

Anyway, I’ve expressed it before and I’ll repeat it again, I think CAF provides a source of division in having a so-called :Traditional Catholicism" Forum. It should be removed, for we’re all “traditional Catholics.” It’s either that or rename it to “The Fundamentalist Catholic Forum,” which is more in line with so-called traditionalist ideology

Jim
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That’s not what that part of the forum is really supposed to be about. It was created as a space to discuss Catholic tradition. But it hasn’t really been that in a long time…
 
The title doesn’t match your assessment, nor does the behavior of the so-called traditionalists.

Also, Catholic Tradition is what the other forums are about.

Jim
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
The title doesn’t match your assessment, nor does the behavior of the so-called traditionalists.

Jim
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Eh, it isn’t “my” assessment. Many have asked this same question over the years and that was the answer given by mods. One time I asked why CAF doesn’t have a “progressive Catholics” sub forum if it has a traditional Catholic one. The answer the mods gave me was as I reported. I’d link to it but the thread was removed. shrug
 
I only ask because I read about, mostly from tradcat sources, that there are churches out there that promote “liberalism”, or “modernism”. I am new to Catholicism, so I am trying to understand all of this. From what I gather, according to them, there seem to be churches out there that say there are other ways to heaven, promote same sex marriage, and other things.

Is this true?
 
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snooop1e said:
P.S. I was a (Sola Scriptura, Eternal Security) Evangelical for about 30 years. I’ve spent thousands of hours researching the Catholic faith and the history of Christianity. Please feel free to email me.
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Will do! I am glad there are others out there like me. There is so much to learn.
 
The Bible Christian Society was founded in 1996 and was incorporated as a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization in 2001. In 1998 we adopted our current mission statement which is: "To work towards the conversion of at least 50% of the Greater Birmingham area to Catholicism by the year 2038 (40 years)."

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/about_us

I’ve noticed A LOT of good things coming from Birmingham. Ever heard of Dave Anders?
 
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