Because we love the Church, and feel it is our duty to speak out against abuses.
With all due respect, you and other traditionalist Catholics are perfectly entitled to spout your opinions. That doesn’t mean that you have any authority, or that anyone should listen to you - especially when it comes to challenging papal authority and the legitimacy of Vatican II.
Tradition never ceases to be “relevant.” It applies itself to every age. However, it can be in conflict with modernism, in which case it would appear to be irrelevant.
Challenging Vatican II and rejecting the current Pope is never appropriate.
Communication? What the heck is that supposed to mean? Also, since when did one have to hear what was being said in order to understand what was occurring? Are you telling me that you don’t know what is going on in a NO being said in Chinese if you don’t speak Chinese?
Keep it simple. When the priest faces the altar, the parishioners cannot hear the liturgy.
In the Novus Ordo Mass, the priest faces the congregation and speaks in the vernacular.
The general reasoning is that the congregation receives more spiritual benefit by 1.) actually hearing and understanding the liturgy in its entirety as recited by the priest, and 2.) that the liturgy is better understood in the language of the parishioners, and not in a language they do not understand (i.e., Latin).
Naturally, traditional Catholics disagree with this reasoning.
Only within countries which have been given an indult to do so. And it is only an acceptable form as long as the norms set forth granting it are met, which is debatable.
Communion in the hand is still an acceptable form of receiving Communion in the Church. It is the norm in nearly every parish within the United States, and has been so for decades.
If it was truly a controversial issue, the Pope and the bishops would have banned the practice long ago.
It is my personal opinion that the heightened criticism by traditional Catholics against the liturgy of the Novus Ordo Mass does a great deal more harm to the Church than good. These issues should be handled within the Church hierarchy, and opposition should not be voiced publicly by outspoken critics.
You sure like the word “outdated,” don’t you? Since when did they become “outdated”?
After Vatican II, there were major changes in the liturgy. Most traditionalist Catholics object to these liturgical changes.
You have contradicted yourself again. You can’t be CATHOLIC and reject the Pope. Simple as that.
I wholeheartedly agree that you cannot be considered Catholic if you reject the Pope.
But that’s not the point. The discussion is centered around the definition of a “Traditional Catholic”.
When one utilizes the phrase, “Traditional Catholic”, they are typically referring to 1 of these 4 categories. All of which adhere to the belief that there should be a restoration of the liturgy and teachings of the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II, and all tend to adhere to the Extraordinary form of the Mass (“Latin Mass”).
There are definite differences between the 4 categories. Agreed. But they are all considered - generally speaking - to fall under the category of “traditional Catholic”.
Since we now know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Traditional Latin Mass was never abrogated, it can never be considered an “outdated” tradition. It is a perennial liturgy of the Western Church, and it will never die.
To most Catholics - the majority of whom have never and will likely never attend a Mass in the Extraordinary form ("Latin Mass’) - the traditional Latin Mass is considered an “outdated” relic of the past. This is a general opinion of the majority of Catholics worldwide, rightly or wrongly.
I certainly agree that based on Pope Benedict’s recent writings, that the Latin Mass was never formally revoked.
Could you please provide some examples of traditions you feel are outdated and irrelevant?
No. I am not interested in taking that bait. You can do your own research to determine the liturgical changes brought about by Vatican II, and come to your own conclusions about which traditions are relevant or not.
