Can someone help me come up with a response to pro-choice attacks?

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And yet the OP asked for arguments AGAINST abortion. Certain people are de-railing the thread and crowding out those who wish to help arm the OP with sane arguments AGAINST abortion, not do a moral tapdance about ‘there is no such thing as objective reality.’

There is, and abortion is a grave moral evil. It’s not a ‘choice.’

If it is against the law to step on a sea turtle egg, for the love of God, why is it all right to rip apart a human baby in his mother’s womb?
This is not a sane argument. This is a proclamation. I am outnumbered maybe 30-1 on this thread - if the original poster can’t get the message from the majority voice here, then you folks aren’t doin much of a job, are ya?

Limerick
 
No, we are free to do good. Doing evil is not freedom but license. It is slavery.

One aspect of free will is the ability to abuse it. That is not the totality of free will. To accent only this one aspect is to make any choice seem acceptable.
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If one can abuse free will, then one is free to do evil and not just good, as you claim. Get it?

Limerick**
 
I still have to wonder why it’s not all right to pick up an eagle feather, or hunt an alligator, or some other species that some bureaucrat has put on the ‘endangered’ list, but baby human beings do not fall under this protection.

Someone posts a question asking for help in arguing for THE RIGHT OF A BABY NOT TO BE MURDERED, and people chime in why slaughter in the womb is fine.

This world has gone insane.
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The original poster asked, “Can someone help me come up with a response to pro-choice attacks?”

Yes, people have chimed in. Count them and you will see that I am the lone hold-out for choice. Everyone else is pro-life.

And yet I do not support abortion. I support the right of every human being to exercise his or her own free will in determining the direction for their lives. Choice does not automatically mean abortion. Two days ago an acquaintance of mine had laminaria inserted in order to dilate the cervix to induce an abortion. This is a two-day procedure. Several hours after insertion, toward the end of the first day, she called her doctor and said she had changed her mind - she wondered if it was too late to stop the abortion. He sent her to the emergency room. I have not yet heard whether the abortion progressed or was able to be stopped. But here was a woman who paused and took the time to consider her options, and she made a CHOICE to try to undo the harm she had done.

Choice. Options. Abortion is one of them. But certainly not the only one.

Limerick **
 
I would hate to be the first person to disagree but if all of you want to pay to educate, feed and raise these unwanted children please do so.

I don’t need to prove that an unwanted child is less likely to have the equal opportunities of a planned child, nor do I need to prove that these children are more likely to be criminals and thus being (in your eyes) condemned to eternal suffering after death.

So continue to try in vain to strip a women of her right to choose, but the least you could do is try to empathize with this choice because i doubt it’s a very easy one. Also, since you’re all so messianic take on the responsibility of raising these children correctly yourselves.

I mean no offense, but I am tired of people criticizing these women. You call them whores, but I am sure that the majority of you have never faced the terrible reality of unwanted pregnancy (especially without the proper funding or lifestyle.) Therefore, what are you gaining from this mindless protest?
 
Wow, nice sentiments Cowboy Curtis. I guess we should just kill off all people who are just a burden to society?

You mean no offense? Your views are not only offensive but just sad. I feel pity for you and sorry that you feel as you do. No one called any women a whore, however, people need to take responsibility for the things they do. Thinking you can get away with anything you want without consequences is only fooling yourself.
 
I would hate to be the first person to disagree but if all of you want to pay to educate, feed and raise these unwanted children please do so.

I don’t need to prove that an unwanted child is less likely to have the equal opportunities of a planned child, nor do I need to prove that these children are more likely to be criminals and thus being (in your eyes) condemned to eternal suffering after death.

So continue to try in vain to strip a women of her right to choose, but the least you could do is try to empathize with this choice because i doubt it’s a very easy one. Also, since you’re all so messianic take on the responsibility of raising these children correctly yourselves.

I mean no offense, but I am tired of people criticizing these women. You call them whores, but I am sure that the majority of you have never faced the terrible reality of unwanted pregnancy (especially without the proper funding or lifestyle.) Therefore, what are you gaining from this mindless protest?
I mean no offence either. And no, I have not adopted any children. But I know many who have and more that would love the chance.

Let’s face it. The cost of the unwanted pregnancy isn’t the cost of the pregnancy is it? It’s the cost of raising the baby. Adoption works well in this case. Many potential parents would gladly pay for the pre-natal care to ensure they get a good healthy baby. And these people can generally afford to ensure the kid gets a good education. They care and would gladly give the child the love it needs. So it isn’t about the cost now is it? There’s more adoptive parents out there than babies. That’s why we have to import them to the states.

I use to be a right-to-choose person. And yes, I know much about unwanted pregnancies. So I’ve said all the same stuff. Repeated the same stale arguments. I know what it feels like to be pro-choice and be commited to it. What about a rape victim? What about a baby that is handicapped? What about a woman that already has too many kids? What about the over populated world? What about the unmarried woman that had her BC fail her? What about the prom queen that didn’t take precautions? Lots of good questions here. The only person we forgot to have concern about is the baby, itself…

Pregnancy generally isn’t a life threatening event. Less than abortions, anyway. Abortion isn’t about pain and anguish for the pregnant woman. 99+% of the time it’s about the selfishness of the pregnant woman. She doesn’t want the embarassment. She doesn’t want the trouble. She doesn’t want the expense. She only wanted the fun of sex, not the natural result.

For some reason our culture has turned the natural order of things upside down, and many take the bait! We’re told about the poor woman. About the adverse impact on society. About how much better off society would be without the unborn. How a good sex life should be free from any natural consequences… and it’s all a lie.

We are bombarded with the lies everyday. “Sex is harmless fun as long as it’s safe.” There is no such thing as 100% safe sex. Sex isn’t just entertainment! Sex is serious stuff meant for serious relationships. Culture today treats natural fertility as a disease, something that needs to be “cured” with a pill. A woman becomes “free” to have sex whenever and with whomever she pleases without worry of becoming pregnant… unless of course the birth control method fails. Then she discovers the “mistake.” She tells her boyfriend. He dumps her. She’s no longer “free.” She has this obligation growing inside of her. No. The “mistake” has to be fixed! Then she takes the option of a nice “safe” abortion. “Fixes” everything… but it doesn’t. That was a lie, too. The woman isn’t free. She still can’t find love. And she wonders about what might have been.

Babies are no more disposable than you are. And dispite our dissagreement on this, you are not disposable. Disposable people are slaves. Destined to be used, abused and thrown away. You and people like you think that some human somewhere should be allowed to make that judgement about the life or death of a baby. We think not. All people should be given the right to live or no one has that right. We do not have the right to define ANY class of people to be disposable.

We’ll give you your fringe cases that amount to less than 1% that might “justify” an abortion if you give the other 99% of the babies a chance to become the next great scientist, Nobel winner, Teacher of the year, cancer cure inventor, and the list goes on and on.

Face it. It’s not the money that drives women to abortion, it’s the inconvenience of pregnancy.

It IS all about perspective. About what we want to believe. And we are free to believe it. But we do need to examine both sides. If you take the stand that freedom from inconvenience takes precidence over the rights of the unborn, then you are a true pro-choicer. I just can buy that lie anymore.
 
I still have to wonder why it’s not all right to pick up an eagle feather, or hunt an alligator, or some other species that some bureaucrat has put on the ‘endangered’ list, but baby human beings do not fall under this protection.

Someone posts a question asking for help in arguing for THE RIGHT OF A BABY NOT TO BE MURDERED, and people chime in why slaughter in the womb is fine.

This world has gone insane.
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Fighting to protect alligators, eagles, and the like doesn’t inconvenience anyone. If an eagle is saved, that is a great thing, I’m all for animal rights, but it doesn’t inconvenience me. Women and men who find themselves choosing abortion, do so largely because they do not want to be inconvenienced with raising a baby…their rights to their ‘freedom’ to them, are more important than the rights of the baby. That is why pro choice people fight for this issue–because bringing a baby to term, giving birth, and raising a baby, all take sacrifice. What sacrifice is it to sign a petition or throw a few dollars at a cause to protect alligators or eagles? Very little. If it’s felt at all. But, having a child, takes full sacrifice…and people want to have their freedoms, the freedom to have sex without consequences, and so abortion is fought hard by them, because they don’t want to be inconvenienced with a baby. A very small percentage of women are having abortions for other reasons–they exist, but it’s a small percentage.

I am an animal rights activitist, but so true, how low have we sunk in our culture, that an unborn animal has more rights than an unborn human being? ***
 
Animals have no rights. This does not mean we may freely abuse them, but they have no rights.

Humans have rights. Legislators are taking away those rights and conferring them to trees and insects. Trees, too, have no rights. I like a good tree, but they are there for us to use. God gave us dominion over them, as well as the animal kingdom.

One of the strongest steps any pro-lifer can take is to refuse to allow the word choice to describe abortion. Please keep that in mind.
 
Animals have no rights. This does not mean we may freely abuse them, but they have no rights.

Humans have rights. Legislators are taking away those rights and conferring them to trees and insects. Trees, too, have no rights. I like a good tree, but they are there for us to use. God gave us dominion over them, as well as the animal kingdom.

One of the strongest steps any pro-lifer can take is to refuse to allow the word choice to describe abortion. Please keep that in mind.
**One of the strongest steps and linguist can take, or any individual who has a desire to communicate clearly with another individual, is to remember that words have true meanings and some words have been adapted to convey alternate meanings, many of which are negative, pejorative and inaccurate. Such is the case for the word “choice”. Look it up in any dictionary (other than, perhaps, a Catholic dictionary) and see if it refers to abortion.

By the way, animals most certainly do have rights, legal rights, which have been enacted in at least 37 states and several foreign countries. You may disagree that they are entitled to protection, but they have these rights nonetheless. The loss or gain of any particular human right has no impact on legal rights of animals - they are mutually exclusive. And yes, God gave us dominion over all creatures of the earth; this is why different species have gained protections, enacted by man, from extinction in the last few decades.

Limerick**
 
Hi there,

Well, I need some help coming up with a response to these statements

“Why wouldn’t you abort your child? What if your daughter got raped by a violent thug, would you keep that baby? I would forget the so called “God” and kill the child.”

and I respond:

“Well, what if your mom was raped by some violent thug?? I bet you’re glad that she carried you for nine months and gave you the chance to make something out of your life. And also, if a baby is born out of rape, incest, or whatever, it dosen’t make it any less of a human being. The child could grow up to cure cancer, be president, or the next music sensation.”

and they respond:

“Blah blah blah. I would like to see your daughter raise a child after being raped at the age of 14. I bet that would make some music sensation. He would probably get MTV awards too.”

Can someone help me out here?

-Jeanne
Tell them they are sadly misguided and that they can go to hell! Sorry. just kidding. I couldn’t resist. Be kind and tell them that a baby is an innocent human and deserves our protection no matter what the circumstances at conception.
 
One of the strongest steps any pro-lifer can take is to refuse to allow the word choice to describe abortion. Please keep that in mind.
That’s right. The introduction of the word choice is to deflect what is being committed. Of course, accenting the word choice is done for a specific reason.
 
“This also is vanity and a striving after wind.”

Killing the most innocent life is not a belief; it is an issue of objective right and wrong. Either we consider ourselves to be a moral society, or we don’t. Either we strive to do right and protect those that need it, or we don’t. This has nothing to do with belief or religion, ultimately. Abortion on demand does not make a moral society, because if people cannot agree that the most innocent of lives are of value, then we have a big problem.

You have two choices here, and only two.
  1. Innocent life is of value.
  2. Innocent life is valueless.
Which is it?
 
what a great response to the pro-choice and the rape issue. Thank you for the additional good info for me to use against my pro-abortion “friends”.
 
I cannot make this point often enough:

CHOICE is a fuzzy little word. It’s a good word, a positive word, a word we can all embrace.

However, it does nothing to describe the ugliness and brutality, of the act of ABORTION. The word ‘abortion’ describes what the act itself is: the slaughter of an unborn baby. And everyone who hears the word ‘abortion’ knows what it means.

Do you think that the word ‘choice’ was substituted by accident? Think again. Satan’s handmaidens are fairly clever. They are struggling to confuse the issue.

If you are not in favor of abortion, then you can not use the word CHOICE to describe it.
 
“This also is vanity and a striving after wind.”

Killing the most innocent life is not a belief; it is an issue of objective right and wrong. Either we consider ourselves to be a moral society, or we don’t. Either we strive to do right and protect those that need it, or we don’t. This has nothing to do with belief or religion, ultimately. Abortion on demand does not make a moral society, because if people cannot agree that the most innocent of lives are of value, then we have a big problem.

You have two choices here, and only two.
  1. Innocent life is of value.
  2. Innocent life is valueless.
Which is it?
**No, there are two other considerations: LIFE is of value; or LIFE is valueless. Innocence has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Limerick**
 
That’s right. The introduction of the word choice is to deflect what is being committed. Of course, accenting the word choice is done for a specific reason.
The word “choice” does nothing to “deflect what is being committed”. As an act of rhetorical inaccuracy and blatant disrespect for the actual meaning of the word, it has been hijacked and redesigned by pro-life individuals to attempt to convince others that the act of simply making a decision is tantamount to taking a life.

When you choose fish over beef at dinner tonight, remember that.

Limerick
 
I cannot make this point often enough:

CHOICE is a fuzzy little word. It’s a good word, a positive word, a word we can all embrace.

However, it does nothing to describe the ugliness and brutality, of the act of ABORTION. The word ‘abortion’ describes what the act itself is: the slaughter of an unborn baby … "
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Actually, you have made your point often enough for me, to the point of nausea and boredom.

If the word “choice” does nothing to describe the ugliness or the brutality of the act of abortion, then why use it or refer to it at all? It clearly does not serve you. Why not use the words you feel are appropriate and get out of the way of those who understand that the word “choice” directly refers to the free exercise of one’s judgment and not some inflammatory, self-serving, bolt-on definition that appears nowhere in the lexicon?

If you cannot comprehend that “choice” refers to an analysis of options and the exercise of free will instead of the termination of a pregnancy (or would you prefer the “selfish, self-centered, inexcusable murder of an ‘innocent’ life”?), then use the terms you wish to use and have enough confidence and certainty in your righteousness to agree to disagree on terms used.

Or, if you insist, an unborn baby is called an embryo or a fetus. This is a no-win deal. Concentrate on your solution and quit whining about the problem.

Limerick
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The word “choice” does nothing to “deflect what is being committed”. As an act of rhetorical inaccuracy and blatant disrespect for the actual meaning of the word, it has been hijacked and redesigned by pro-life individuals to attempt to convince others that the act of simply making a decision is tantamount to taking a life.

**When you choose fish over beef at dinner tonight, remember that. **

Limerick
It is a code word used to change how people view reality. Making a decision to take a life is not life choosing beef or fish. There is no right to choose murder. The pro abort crowd use disingenuous language.

Do you folks claim rape is pro choice? Arson?
 
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