Can someone help me come up with a response to pro-choice attacks?

[jeanne71350]

Hi there,

Well, I need some help coming up with a response to these statements

“Why wouldn’t you abort your child? What if your daughter got raped by a violent thug, would you keep that baby? I would forget the so called “God” and kill the child.”

and I respond:

“Well, what if your mom was raped by some violent thug?? I bet you’re glad that she carried you for nine months and gave you the chance to make something out of your life. And also, if a baby is born out of rape, incest, or whatever, it dosen’t make it any less of a human being. The child could grow up to cure cancer, be president, or the next music sensation.”

and they respond:

“Blah blah blah. I would like to see your daughter raise a child after being raped at the age of 14. I bet that would make some music sensation. He would probably get MTV awards too.”

Can someone help me out here?

-Jeanne

 

[RosaryFan]

Hi there,

Well, I need some help coming up with a response to these statements

“Why wouldn’t you abort your child? What if your daughter got raped by a violent thug, would you keep that baby? I would forget the so called “God” and kill the child.”

and I respond:

“Well, what if your mom was raped by some violent thug?? I bet you’re glad that she carried you for nine months and gave you the chance to make something out of your life. And also, if a baby is born out of rape, incest, or whatever, it dosen’t make it any less of a human being. The child could grow up to cure cancer, be president, or the next music sensation.”

and they respond:

“Blah blah blah. I would like to see your daughter raise a child after being raped at the age of 14. I bet that would make some music sensation. He would probably get MTV awards too.”

Can someone help me out here?

-Jeanne

Hi. First of all, I have to say I absolutely HATE when people use the rape scenario as a reason to keep abortion legal. Only one-tenth of one percent of abortions are performed due to rape.

Secondly, where is it written that a child who is violently raped and happens to get pregnant (again, a somewhat unlikely scenario) has to keep the baby. What is wrong with placing the child up for adoption? Has everyone completely forgotten about adoption?

Third, since when is it acceptable to kill a human being as a result of someone else’s crime? That innocent baby in the womb did not do the raping. Why should he/she pay the price?

If my daugther got raped, she would carry that baby to term and then we’d make a decision as to whether or not that child would be better off in an adoptive home or remain in our home. Because when women get abortions, the scars and psychological damage (which is very real) wreaks more havoc in their lives than any little 9 months of pregnancy could. Check out the stats of women who regret their abortions. They have problems with relationships, drug abuse, suicidal thoughts and tendencies, depression, not to mention the physical damage abortion does to the body. Greatly increasing chances of contracting breast cancer, danger of not being able to conceive children at a later date. I would NEVER subject my daughter to that lifetime of horror when carrying the baby to term is only 9 months of inconvenience.

 

[yellowbicycle]

All of the points from rosary are good.
Also, you might want to point out to her that ‘blah blah blah’ is not a defense.
It’s actually what a teenager says to her parent when she has decided she no longer wants to listen.
So, you could tell her that you are ready and willing to pick up this conversation again when she is actually listening to you. Saying ‘blah blah blah’ is a pretty sure indication that she’s not.
(I’m assuming it’s a she…I could be wrong on that, though.)

Don’t get frustrated.
To be pro-choice means you have to stop listening. Otherwise, their arguments fall apart.

 

[musicality]

I would first address the issue of whether or not a life is being taken during abortion.
After you have established a position on this affirming that indeed, abortion kills humans, you will then be ready to take on more specific situations including rape, incest, etc.

Personally, the most scientific and logical argument for the life present in a mother’s womb is the following:

• When an egg is fertilized by sperm, the two gametic cells become a zygote containing a genetic code completely different from that of the mother or father.
• This zygote at that moment is in every sense of the word, “alive.” It is undergoing the necessary metabolic processes needed to sustain life.
• By removing the zygote or the cells that the zygote transforms into during embryonic growth, a human life is terminated.

To address the more complicated issues that pro-choice advocates are likely to bring up, I pose the question: Is it ever acceptable to kill another human?
(Of course exceptions, usually involving self-preservation come up.)
If there are no issues with this question, you can easily justify Catholic teaching–intentional abortion is unacceptable, but in cases where a mother risks an embryo/fetus’s life to preserve her own (especially if the mother has other living children), any resulting abortion is not sinful.

It is important to recognize the gravity of situations in which rape have occurred. Still, going back to the question of whether it is acceptable to kill another human-- you may argue that a living human should never be punished for the crimes of its parents.

(My personal position on the morning after pill is not well defined because it is unclear whether it may aborts fertilized cells or if it only prevents the cells from being fertilized. Still, the risk of taking a life is too great for me to condone its usage.)

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Hi there,

Well, I need some help coming up with a response to these statements

“Why wouldn’t you abort your child? What if your daughter got raped by a violent thug, would you keep that baby? I would forget the so called “God” and kill the child.”

and I respond:

“Well, what if your mom was raped by some violent thug?? I bet you’re glad that she carried you for nine months and gave you the chance to make something out of your life. And also, if a baby is born out of rape, incest, or whatever, it dosen’t make it any less of a human being. The child could grow up to cure cancer, be president, or the next music sensation.”

and they respond:

“Blah blah blah. I would like to see your daughter raise a child after being raped at the age of 14. I bet that would make some music sensation. He would probably get MTV awards too.”

Can someone help me out here?

-Jeanne

One thing: Don’t let them get away with calling infanticide pro-CHOICE. And don’t you allow them to define that term as such.

They are in favor of ABORTION. Never let them hide from that.

 

[1ke]

Can someone help me out here?

-Jeanne

No Jeanne, we can’t help you out. Not because well-reasoned, articulate answers do not exist but because you are not dealing with an articulate, reasoning person. A person who counters your response with “blah blah blah” is not open to dialog. They are not open to discussion. They lack maturity. They lack reasoning skills. The lack the ability to dialog.

However, I would present them with a challenge, something sure to consternate them. They seem derisive of God (i.e. their reference to your “so called God”). So, I would present them with some new information to chew on, and surely it will be a revelation to these ignorant people, and that is the fact that there are *atheists *who reject abortion and who have well-reasoned, articulate arguments against it:

www.godlessprolifers.org

geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/8383/atheist.html

l4l.org/library/cathchoi.html

fnsa.org/fall98/reed.html

So, pray for them and pray they will some day be ready for actual dialog, that they will use the brain God gave them and think beyond the ideology they have absorded through popular culture. These atheist websites are quite a good start for putting a chink in their cultural armour.

 

[buffalo]

Why Can’t We Love Them Both

 **PART VI – SOCIAL QUESTIONS**
Chapter
[26 – Choice?](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_26.asp)
[27 – Illegal Abortions](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_27.asp)
[28 – Parental Notification/Becky Bell](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_28.asp)
[29 – Rape](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_29.asp)
[30 – Impose Morality?.](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_30.asp)
[31 – Unwanted](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_31.asp)
[32 – The West Is Dying?](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_32.asp)
      **PART VII – ALTERNATIVES**
Chapter
[33 – Women Helping Centers](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_33.asp)
[34 – Adoption](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_34.asp)
[35 – Contraception](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_35.asp)
[36 – Violence? Or A Protective Ring](http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_36.asp)

 

[limerick]

Hi. First of all, I have to say I absolutely HATE when people use the rape scenario as a reason to keep abortion legal. Only one-tenth of one percent of abortions are performed due to rape. ** Please provide your reference for this statistic.**

Secondly, where is it written that a child who is violently raped and happens to get pregnant (again, a somewhat unlikely scenario) has to keep the baby. What is wrong with placing the child up for adoption? Has everyone completely forgotten about adoption? ** 1) It is not written anywhere; 2) Rape is always violent - hence, “violently raped” is a redundancy"; 3) Nothing is wrong with placing the child for adoption, and 4) adopting out is a complex process as opposed to termination. This may explain (NOT support) abortion as an alternative.
**
Third, since when is it acceptable to kill a human being as a result of someone else’s crime? That innocent baby in the womb did not do the raping. Why should he/she pay the price? ** In the U.S., abortion is a legal alternative to carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. If this is distasteful, immoral, sickening, infuriating, then vote, lobby for stronger laws to protect all innocents involved (including the mother), and become proactive as a way of life.**

If my daugther got raped, she would carry that baby to term and then we’d make a decision as to whether or not that child would be better off in an adoptive home or remain in our home. Because when women get abortions, the scars and psychological damage (which is very real) wreaks more havoc in their lives than any little 9 months of pregnancy could.

When a child is raped she is changed and traumatized for life. As her mother, you would have the legal right to force her to carry the fetus to term, but you cannot force one person to love another. If you chose to keep the child in your home you would be mashing her face in the crime every moment of every day. No chance for a second chance at life there. Why would you demand that SHE “pay the price” for the crime? It would be highly likely, and understandable, if she became absolutely alienated from you for the rest of your lives.

Check out the stats of women who regret their abortions. They have problems with relationships, drug abuse, suicidal thoughts and tendencies, depression, not to mention the physical damage abortion does to the body.

There is a significant number of women who do not suffer PTSD or alcoholism, drug abuse, relationship problems following abortion.

Greatly increasing chances of contracting breast cancer, danger of not being able to conceive children at a later date.

** There are other threads on this forum which address this myth. Please, reader, do not swallow this as gospel: do your homework. **

I would NEVER subject my daughter to that lifetime of horror when carrying the baby to term is only 9 months of inconvenience.

**You think pregnancy is nothing but an “inconvenience”? Have you ever met a 12-year-old who has presented for an abortion? The lifetime of horror for a daughter would commence when her mother decides this girl will carry to term and raise the girl’s baby who was conceived during an act of rape.

Adoption? Terrific, win/win. Force the child to raise the child? Insanity.

Limerick**

 

[Mark77]

**Your loving witness will have a positive impact, even if you never see it!
**
We all know what’s right and what’s wrong in our hearts, it’s called the natural law. Those who would call them selves pro-choice are intellectually dishonest and will someday have to answer to the Truth!

We can only continue to witness to the Truth that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ taught us, that abortion is never acceptable, murdering innocent babies is never acceptable, never, never, never…!

Pres Obama is the leader of the pack. They all say one thing (he said it again today at ND), “i support reducing abortions, i want to reduce unwanted pregnancies (ie. birth control and unlimited sex without being married!) and i want to see more adoptions” because it sounds good and they probably believe that by giving ‘Planned Parenthood’ (Planned Murder of innocent babies for a Profit!) $350 million taxpayer dollars, they are helping “prevent” unplanned pregnancies??

But the Truth is they do the opposite of what they say! Obama voted against the “Infants born alive Protection Act”, he is in the pockets of the abortion industry because they helped him get elected, everything he has done in his political life has supported and promoted abortion in the US and around the world, and his wife Michelle, another Ivy League Attorney, has written in defense of killing infants who were born alive during a botched abortion by arguing the same old and illegitimate lie; “the health of the mother?”

Sometimes we feel like the Christians vs the lions in the roman coliseum, but we are far from that.**These murderers no longer directly confront the Truth, they use deft terminology 'Pro-Choice, reproductive Health Care, Women’s Privacy rights"…etc to cover up the modern holocaust that we face with legal abortion **(50 MILLION BABIES LEGALLY MURDERED IN THE US SINCE ROE V. WADE!). They come across as caring progressive thinkers who are so much smarter than the morons who “Cling to Faith”.

**They are now using Judas’ tactics, targeting uninformed and weak catholics and once great but now pitiful catholic institutions like ND and Georgetown, to gain personal credibility while corrupting those who would do good but for their demonic treachery!
**
It would be easier if they told us the Truth and said “either you allow us to murder innocent babies or we will murder you!”, but they are very intelligent. They distort, obfuscate and lie to the ignorant masses, leading them down the road to their own eternal damnation.

All we ask is the opportunity to tell the Truth, no matter how unpopular, how painful or how difficult, and then we must choose! Remember, we must answer to Jesus for our actions on our judgment day, NO EXCUSES!!!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

 

[Holly3278]

Hi. First of all, I have to say I absolutely HATE when people use the rape scenario as a reason to keep abortion legal. Only one-tenth of one percent of abortions are performed due to rape.

Secondly, where is it written that a child who is violently raped and happens to get pregnant (again, a somewhat unlikely scenario) has to keep the baby. What is wrong with placing the child up for adoption? Has everyone completely forgotten about adoption?

Third, since when is it acceptable to kill a human being as a result of someone else’s crime? That innocent baby in the womb did not do the raping. Why should he/she pay the price?

If my daugther got raped, she would carry that baby to term and then we’d make a decision as to whether or not that child would be better off in an adoptive home or remain in our home. Because when women get abortions, the scars and psychological damage (which is very real) wreaks more havoc in their lives than any little 9 months of pregnancy could. Check out the stats of women who regret their abortions. They have problems with relationships, drug abuse, suicidal thoughts and tendencies, depression, not to mention the physical damage abortion does to the body. Greatly increasing chances of contracting breast cancer, danger of not being able to conceive children at a later date. I would NEVER subject my daughter to that lifetime of horror when carrying the baby to term is only 9 months of inconvenience.

Exactly! A very small percentage of abortions are gotten due to rape. The rape excuse is no excuse to keep abortion legal. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances but since that will never happen, it should at least be illegal in most circumstances.

 

[yellowbicycle]

RosaryFan;5213488:

Hi. First of all, I have to say I absolutely HATE when people use the rape scenario as a reason to keep abortion legal. Only one-tenth of one percent of abortions are performed due to rape. ** Please provide your reference for this statistic.**

I didn’t provide the 1/10 of 1% statistic, so I’m not going to defend that, but percentages I have seen range from 0.5% to 5%. You can check out the Center for Disease Controls website and put abortion in the search there, or just go to Planned Parenthood’s website.

 

[RosaryFan]

RosaryFan;5213488:

Hi. First of all, I have to say I absolutely HATE when people use the rape scenario as a reason to keep abortion legal. Only one-tenth of one percent of abortions are performed due to rape. ** Please provide your reference for this statistic.**

Secondly, where is it written that a child who is violently raped and happens to get pregnant (again, a somewhat unlikely scenario) has to keep the baby. What is wrong with placing the child up for adoption? Has everyone completely forgotten about adoption? ** 1) It is not written anywhere; 2) Rape is always violent - hence, “violently raped” is a redundancy"; 3) Nothing is wrong with placing the child for adoption, and 4) adopting out is a complex process as opposed to termination. This may explain (NOT support) abortion as an alternative.
**
Third, since when is it acceptable to kill a human being as a result of someone else’s crime? That innocent baby in the womb did not do the raping. Why should he/she pay the price? ** In the U.S., abortion is a legal alternative to carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. If this is distasteful, immoral, sickening, infuriating, then vote, lobby for stronger laws to protect all innocents involved (including the mother), and become proactive as a way of life.**

If my daugther got raped, she would carry that baby to term and then we’d make a decision as to whether or not that child would be better off in an adoptive home or remain in our home. Because when women get abortions, the scars and psychological damage (which is very real) wreaks more havoc in their lives than any little 9 months of pregnancy could.

When a child is raped she is changed and traumatized for life. As her mother, you would have the legal right to force her to carry the fetus to term, but you cannot force one person to love another. If you chose to keep the child in your home you would be mashing her face in the crime every moment of every day. No chance for a second chance at life there. Why would you demand that SHE “pay the price” for the crime? It would be highly likely, and understandable, if she became absolutely alienated from you for the rest of your lives.

Check out the stats of women who regret their abortions. They have problems with relationships, drug abuse, suicidal thoughts and tendencies, depression, not to mention the physical damage abortion does to the body.

There is a significant number of women who do not suffer PTSD or alcoholism, drug abuse, relationship problems following abortion.

Greatly increasing chances of contracting breast cancer, danger of not being able to conceive children at a later date.

** There are other threads on this forum which address this myth. Please, reader, do not swallow this as gospel: do your homework. **

I would NEVER subject my daughter to that lifetime of horror when carrying the baby to term is only 9 months of inconvenience.

**You think pregnancy is nothing but an “inconvenience”? Have you ever met a 12-year-old who has presented for an abortion? The lifetime of horror for a daughter would commence when her mother decides this girl will carry to term and raise the girl’s baby who was conceived during an act of rape.

Adoption? Terrific, win/win. Force the child to raise the child? Insanity.

Limerick**

This is one of, I’m sure, many web sites which support my claim that less than one percent of abortions performed are due to rape abortiontv.com/Lies%20&%20Myths/AnswersToProChoice.htm#What%20about%20a%20woman%20who%20is%20pregnant.

Adoption is more complex that killing your child?

I do vote - BELIEVE ME! And I am proactive - BELIEVE ME!

I would not “demand” that my child pay the price for her rape. She has been raised in a pro-life, Catholic home and would not choose to terminate the pregnancy. And the decision to keep the baby would be hers, not mine. Again, I wouldn’t force her to keep her baby. I was simply trying to state that “in my home, an abortion would not be our choice”. My daughter understands the life-long trauma she would incur if she were to kill her own child as it sleeps peacefully in her womb - which is supposed to be the safest place for baby.

I am sure there are a significant number of women who do not regret their abortions, as I’m sure there are a significant number of rapists who do not regret what they’ve done. Many, many, many evil acts go on without any regrets. However, the fact that there are a significant number of women who DO regret their abortions tells you that it is not something one does with a well-formed conscience. Abortion is not the will of God.

And where is YOUR web site which states that the abortion/breast cancer link is a myth?

Lastly, where did I say that I would force my child to raise her baby if she was raped and became pregnant? Please tell me - I don’t recall ever having said any such thing.

 

[AKG]

Rape, shmape. Ultimately, if you trace back far enough we all have ancestors who were rapists.

What if the child were to be born with no arms or legs? Had severe brain damage? A genetic disease? Or heaven-forbid, was to be born a female with brown eyes and red hair when all that you wanted was a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy?..blah, blah, blah.

The child is a gift. God does not make mistakes. Once conceived, that child belongs to God and is entrusted to the mother. This is why Mary must ever be put before us as the model of motherly love. She, too, faced great scorn as the child that carried to term was considered illegitimate. The child was not Joseph’s natural born child. So whose child was it? Some reasoned that a Roman soldier named Pantera had raped the Virgin. She was perceived as an outcast… young Jewish teenage unwed mother. Yet Mary had the vision to see with eyes of faith that God had something great planned for the child whom she bore.

 

[Holly3278]

Rape, shmape. Ultimately, if you trace back far enough we all have ancestors who were rapists.

What if the child were to be born with no arms or legs? Had severe brain damage? A genetic disease? Or heaven-forbid, was to be born a female with brown eyes and red hair when all that you wanted was a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy?..blah, blah, blah.

The child is a gift. God does not make mistakes. Once conceived, that child belongs to God and is entrusted to the mother. This is why Mary must ever be put before us as the model of motherly love. She, too, faced great scorn as the child that carried to term was considered illegitimate. The child was not Joseph’s natural born child. So whose child was it? Some reasoned that a Roman soldier named Pantera had raped the Virgin. She was perceived as an outcast… young Jewish teenage unwed mother. Yet Mary had the vision to see with eyes of faith that God had something great planned for the child whom she bore.

Amen!

As for the blessed Virgin Mary being raped, well, she wouldn’t be a virgin if she was raped now would she be? Of course the blessed Virgin Mary was not raped! She conceived by the Holy Spirit.

 

[limerick]

limerick;5213890:

This is one of, I’m sure, many web sites which support my claim that less than one percent of abortions performed are due to rape abortiontv.com/Lies%20&%20Myths/AnswersToProChoice.htm#What%20about%20a%20woman%20who%20is%20pregnant

.

This is unreliable, as rape often goes unreported.

Adoption is more complex that killing your child?

Ask anyone who has tried to adopt or put up for adoption.

I do vote - BELIEVE ME! And I am proactive - BELIEVE ME!

Yes. Yes.

I would not “demand” that my child pay the price for her rape. She has been raised in a pro-life, Catholic home and would not choose to terminate the pregnancy. And the decision to keep the baby would be hers, not mine.

But this is not what you wrote. You said that "we’d make a decision" to determine the best place for the baby. Would that decision also include the opinion of your husband? Or anyone else potentially impacted by another mouth to feed?

Again, I wouldn’t force her to keep her baby. I was simply trying to state that “in my home, an abortion would not be our choice”. My daughter understands the life-long trauma she would incur if she were to kill her own child as it sleeps peacefully in her womb - which is supposed to be the safest place for baby. ** (Just an aside, but in the womb it is still a fetus.)**

I am sure there are a significant number of women who do not regret their abortions, as I’m sure there are a significant number of rapists who do not regret what they’ve done. Many, many, many evil acts go on without any regrets. However, the fact that there are a significant number of women who DO regret their abortions tells you that it is not something one does with a well-formed conscience. Abortion is not the will of God.

Actually, wouldn’t the women who DO regret their abortions be the ones who had the well-formed consciences and acted in contradiction to what their well-formed consciences were telling them? Those without the well-formed consciences would suffer less regret and psychological pain than those with the well-formed conscience.

And where is YOUR web site which states that the abortion/breast cancer link is a myth?

If you type in “abortion and breast cancer” in the “search” toolbar on Catholic Answers Forum, you can see a variety of websites and quotations offered from both sides of the debate. But this from the Guttmacher Institute, published July, 2008: “Exhaustive reviews by panels convened by the U.S. and British governments have concluded that there is no association between abortion and breast cancer. There is also no indication that abortion is a risk factor for other cancers.” (Boonstra HD et al., Abortion in Women’s Lives, New York: Guttmacher Institute, 2006.)This source is no more biased than that which you have provided.

Lastly, where did I say that I would force my child to raise her baby if she was raped and became pregnant? Please tell me - I don’t recall ever having said any such thing.

" “If my daugther got raped,” you wrote, “she would carry that baby to term and then we’d make a decision as to whether or not that child would be better off in an adoptive home or remain in our home.”

** This reads onscreen as a total rant**. You say you would allow a child to decide whether or not to allow her own child to remain in your home in the midst of your dictating that she would carry THAT baby to term and this decision would be made "as to whether or not THAT child would be better off in an adoptive home … " It reads like a non-negotiable demand.

Online forum does not equal kaffeklatsch. No inflections can be felt, we cannot interpret anything but the written word. I’m picky about what people say and how they say it. Have I misinterpreted you?

Limerick

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

The original poster asked for arguments against abortion. You come in with nothing but arguments FOR abortion and challenges to those who provided statistics and facts.

Start your own pro-abortion thread if that’s your intent.

 

[RosaryFan]

RosaryFan;5213988:
I am not ranting. I simply stated that if my daughter got raped, she would carry the baby to full term and then we would decide whether it would be better to place the baby for adoptive care or keept he baby in our home.

That is a true statement based on my beliefs, my husband’s beliefs and my daughter’s beliefs. How is that ranting? I was simply pointing out that my daugther has the sense to know that carrying the baby to term would be the only option and that would be God’s will.

You are the one that claimed I would be “forcing” her in her decisions. Therefore, you put the “rant” in the comment. I was not ranting (and still am not ranting).

Further, I totally agree with AKG: “Rape, schmape…” Killing an innocent human being is killing an innocent human being no matter how well you sugar-coat it.

 

[BRZ]

Limerick, I know that she stated reasons for which abortion is wrong, some of which may or may not be true. The simple truth is, that abortion is killing a child. It doesn’t matter if the child is still a fetus in the womb and it doesn’t matter if there are negative or even positive results stemming from an abortion. It doesn’t make abortion any less of a terrible thing. It doesn’t matter if a woman is raped or is not raped and chooses to have an abortion, it is still the killing of a baby or fetus if you prefer. There are many terrible things in this world, many sad situations, people who live terrible lives but it doesn’t change the fact that because something terrible is done to you does not give you the right to do something terrible.

Now, I don’t hate those who have abortions, but I also don’t hate those who commit murder. It does pain me to see it happen and I hope that they will learn of what they have done. Being bitter, seeking revenge, giving into despair, running away from suffering and pain, being unable to cope with your life because of something terrible done to you, none of these things are going to help you become a better person and I assure you that none of these things are pleasing to God.

It is terrible if a girl is raped, it truly is. It causes significant pain and suffering, traumatizes a young girl (or lady) and can lead to depression, alcoholism, etc. However, the answer is not to just eliminate an innocent child, but in this case for those who are in their life who love them, such as their mother, or father to be there for them, to help them (and of course pray for them) Getting rid of the child is not the answer nor is it going to make the situation any better. It is true the girl may resent the baby for what happened but that is something that people in her life need to help her with. This is something she should overcome and not give into revenge because that is all it is. This is no different then if someone were to kill your wife, or daughter, or mother or whatever and then get away with it. Should you then go and get revenge by killing that person? Should we get revenge for every person who inflicts harm on us. I assure you, there are other things that can be done to a person which are even worse then raping someone. When does it stop? The answer is to forgive and let go. That is what Jesus taught us.

 

[BRZ]

limerick;5214252:

I am not ranting. I simply stated that if my daughter got raped, she would carry the baby to full term and then we would decide whether it would be better to place the baby for adoptive care or keept he baby in our home.

That is a true statement based on my beliefs, my husband’s beliefs and my daughter’s beliefs. How is that ranting? I was simply pointing out that my daugther has the sense to know that carrying the baby to term would be the only option and that would be God’s will.

You are the one that claimed I would be “forcing” her in her decisions. Therefore, you put the “rant” in the comment. I was not ranting (and still am not ranting).

Further, I totally agree with AKG: “Rape, schmape…” Killing an innocent human being is killing an innocent human being no matter how well you sugar-coat it.

I don’t really think that it would matter if you forced your daughter to keep the child. If she is under your care it is fully your right. Just because someone has the choice to do something does not mean they will make the right choices and in that case I seriously doubt they would. I would not hesitate to make the right choice for my child if I felt that it was necessary whether they agree or not. I would do everything in my power to help them get through the situation and to realize why I did what I did though.

 

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The original poster asked for arguments against abortion. You come in with nothing but arguments FOR abortion and challenges to those who provided statistics and facts.

Start your own pro-abortion thread if that’s your intent.

**Look, folks, post here only if you agree with the original poster. If you are pro-choice, realize that the word “choice” is not to be understood on this forum.

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