Can someone help me? I'm horribly confused

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I just followed a link to this site…

mostholyfamilymonastery.com/

and all I see are articles about how the post vatical 2 council Catholic Church isn’t the true Catholic Church. Also it has articles about how our separated brethren (Orthodox) aren’t Christians, and how Popes John Paul 2 and Benedict the 16th were both heretics.

Can someone give me some background information on this place and some answers to what they proclaim.
 
Phillipos said:
I just followed a link to this site…

mostholyfamilymonastery.com/

and all I see are articles about how the post vatical 2 council Catholic Church isn’t the true Catholic Church. Also it has articles about how our separated brethren (Orthodox) aren’t Christians, and how Popes John Paul 2 and Benedict the 16th were both heretics.

Can someone give me some background information on this place and some answers to what they proclaim.
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I found this website. todayscatholicworld.com/dims-refuted.htm
 
Poteau, huh? I’ve even driven through Poteau.

I notice you’re new here, both to the forums and the Church. A hearty welcome to both.

My short answer to you the MHF Monastery is to run, don’t walk.

Fortunately and unfortunately there are many groups in the Church from the feel good radical liberal to the “nobody but me in heaven” radical conservative.

This group has two major flaws:

They believe every pope since the death of Pius XII in 1958 was a heretic and antipope.

They take a rigorist view of the premise “Outside the Church there is no salvation”. This view is often referred to as Feeneyism.

No mainstream Catholic I know of “liberal” or “conservative” gives them any credibility. Once again, RUN, don’t walk away.

Welcome!

John
 
Would you like to see how easy it is to demolish their arguments? Watch this:
mostholyfamilymonastery.com/The_most_specific_heresy_in_Vatican_II.html
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A closer inspection of this heresy reveals that this is actually the worst and most specific heresy in all of Vatican II.
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Vatican II Declaration, Nostra Aetate (#4): “Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or cursed by God, as if such views followed from the holy scriptures.”
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I recently studied this heresy in more depth. When one does examine this heresy in more detail, what one discovers is astounding.
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“The worst and most specific heresy”? Really? It took me about 2 seconds to see that this cannot possibly be a heresy - as soon as I saw the word “presented”. The Council is not defining any doctrine here, they are giving a pastoral rule - and the Church is well within Her authority to do so. The only thing “astounding” here is that there are people who actually believe these two schismatics.
 
Phillipos said:
I just followed a link to this site…

mostholyfamilymonastery.com/

and all I see are articles about how the post vatical 2 council Catholic Church isn’t the true Catholic Church. Also it has articles about how our separated brethren (Orthodox) aren’t Christians, and how Popes John Paul 2 and Benedict the 16th were both heretics.

Can someone give me some background information on this place and some answers to what they proclaim.
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Woops, back up a minute partner.

The Catholic Church both pre-vatican II and post Vatican II are the ONE “True Church,” the only Church that Jesus Founded, and under the Guidence of the Holy Spirit, with a 2000 year unbroken line of Papal Succession.

While it is true that a great many innovations of our pesent day NO Mass, were not desired by Vatican II and the Pope, and that many Bishops and priest will be held accountable by God for the tital wave of desent and fallen away catholics. But this is a matter for them and God to sort out. It does not effect the validity of our NO Masses.

In 1965 about 70% of professed Catholics maintained their Sunday Worship and use of the Sacrament of Reconcillation obligations. In 2007 the Pew report puts the number around 25% and perhapsa as low as 10% for Reconcillation!

Having said this, indults (papal permission slips) have been granted all though often under forced circumstances.They nevertheless are current, valid and licit, and thus binding on us.

There is a*** Pius X, ***organization that is making those kind of charges against the RCC, and they are formally in Schism (seperated from), that is not recogonized by Rome, and unable to receive the RCC Seven sacraments. They are to be AVOIDED.

They are wrong about their seperation and wrong about the Orthodox church’s who too are in Schism, but retain “communion” through direct Apolostic Succession. Thus their Sacraments are the same as ours and as valid as ours.

If you have other specific questions, we’d be happy to address them for you:)
 
i see some are saying this is pius X their is an even more radical group that often roman catholics forget about. the call themselves pius V. i know believe me. my sister is one. she rants and raves about how my priest isnt valid and so my sacrament of confession isnt valid either. i choose to trust Christ when he said He would always protect His church.
 
weepixie71 said:
i see some are saying this is pius X their is an even more radical group that often roman catholics forget about. the call themselves pius V. i know believe me. my sister is one. she rants and raves about how my priest isnt valid and so my sacrament of confession isnt valid either. i choose to trust Christ when he said He would always protect His church.
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Can you blame her!.😃 Especially when lay people give out communion, and altar girls!.😃
 
Your not horribly confused, they are. You’re asking for clarification, something not done on these sites. Faith alone is wrong, the Bible alone is too. So is tradition alone.
 
PJM said:
There is a*** Pius X, ***organization that is making those kind of charges against the RCC, and they are formally in Schism (seperated from), that is not recogonized by Rome, and unable to receive the RCC Seven sacraments. They are to be AVOIDED.

They are wrong about their seperation and wrong about the Orthodox church’s who too are in Schism, but retain “communion” through direct Apolostic Succession. Thus their Sacraments are the same as ours and as valid as ours.
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Because it is important to dispel what seems to be a great deal of misinformation circulated around here, I want to clarify: the SSPX is not in schism nor is it improper or an act of schism for a Catholic to attend an SSPX chapel.

They are not to be confused with the group known as sedevacantists who hold that the Chair of Peter is currently vacant and thus, the Masses celebrated by bishops and priests not of the sect are invalid.
 
weepixie71 said:
i see some are saying this is pius X their is an even more radical group that often roman catholics forget about. the call themselves pius V. i know believe me. my sister is one. she rants and raves about how my priest isnt valid and so my sacrament of confession isnt valid either. i choose to trust Christ when he said He would always protect His church.
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You are quite right. SSPX may not be the safest way, but they are inside the Church, if irregularly. SSPV on the other hand is a Sedevacante group, which quite obviously, is not in union with the Pope(as they believe there to be none)
 
Extempore said:
Because it is important to dispel what seems to be a great deal of misinformation circulated around here, I want to clarify: the SSPX is not in schism nor is it improper or an act of schism for a Catholic to attend an SSPX chapel.

They are not to be confused with the group known as sedevacantists who hold that the Chair of Peter is currently vacant and thus, the Masses celebrated by bishops and priests not of the sect are invalid.
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:tiphat: Thanks my friend,

Correction accepted and point well taken:clapping:
 
Extempore said:
Because it is important to dispel what seems to be a great deal of misinformation circulated around here, I want to clarify: the SSPX is not in schism nor is it improper or an act of schism for a Catholic to attend an SSPX chapel.

They are not to be confused with the group known as sedevacantists who hold that the Chair of Peter is currently vacant and thus, the Masses celebrated by bishops and priests not of the sect are invalid.
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Can you provide any official documents that say this? I always understood that the SSPX is schismatic.

This link provided as a sticky in this forum states otherwise.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1224
As long as there are no changes which may lead to the re-establishment of this necessary communion, the whole Lefebvrian movement is to be held schismatic, in view of the existence of a formal declaration by the Supreme Authority on this matter.
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God bless,
Ut
 
utunumsint said:
Can you provide any official documents that say this? I always understood that the SSPX is schismatic.

This link provided as a sticky in this forum states otherwise.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1224

God bless,
Ut
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Amongst other statements, I have found that the statements of Cardinal Castrillón to be somewhat enlightening regarding the status of the bishops priests and those who attend the SSPX.

For example, in hte February 8, 2007 interview, in the German Die Tagespost:
“The bishops, priests and faithful of the Society of St Pius X are not schismatics. It is Archbishop Lefebrve who has undertaken an illicit episcopal consecration and therefore performed a schismatic act. It is for this reason that the Bishops consecrated by him have been suspended and excommunicated. The priests and faithful of the Society have not been excommunicated. They are not heretics.”
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Whether one chooses to agree with them or not, the SSPX relies upon a canon in the Code of Canon Law which says that in a state of emergency within the Church, that the salvation of souls takes precedence. Hence, the consecrations that took place, according to the Society, were a necessary act of disobedience brought about to preserve Catholic Tradition.
 
I have a quick and easy cure for your confusion, stay away from non-Catholic websites, especially the most insidious those who claim to be Catholic, yet reject the Pope and the Magesterium. presto, problem solved.
 
Extempore said:
Amongst other statements, I have found that the statements of Cardinal Castrillón to be somewhat enlightening regarding the status of the bishops priests and those who attend the SSPX.

For example, in hte February 8, 2007 interview, in the German Die Tagespost:

Whether one chooses to agree with them or not, the SSPX relies upon a canon in the Code of Canon Law which says that in a state of emergency within the Church, that the salvation of souls takes precedence. Hence, the consecrations that took place, according to the Society, were a necessary act of disobedience brought about to preserve Catholic Tradition.
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The church politics involved in this issue is thick. In an effort to bring the society back into the church, all sorts of consiliatory statements have been made, the Motu Proprio being one of them. However you want to label things, the fact remains that there is a deep, deep gulf of mistrust that exists now between the society and the magisterium that will take years, if not centuries to heal. God willing, this healing will eventually happen.

Whether the society is right, or wrong in their justification of their disobedience, the gulf has now been created, and this has engendered a palpable lessening of charity and of unity.

God bless,
Ut
 
utunumsint said:
The church politics involved in this issue is thick. In an effort to bring the society back into the church, all sorts of consiliatory statements have been made, the Motu Proprio being one of them. However you want to label things, the fact remains that there is a deep, deep gulf of mistrust that exists now between the society and the magisterium that will take years, if not centuries to heal. God willing, this healing will eventually happen.

Whether the society is right, or wrong in their justification of their disobedience, the gulf has now been created, and this has engendered a palpable lessening of charity and of unity.

God bless,
Ut
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I agree, and I think it a tragedy that things are the way that they are. One can only pray and then wait.

Thank you for your comments - they were greatly appreciated. 🙂
 
Phillipos said:
I just followed a link to this site…

mostholyfamilymonastery.com/

and all I see are articles about how the post vatical 2 council Catholic Church isn’t the true Catholic Church. Also it has articles about how our separated brethren (Orthodox) aren’t Christians, and how Popes John Paul 2 and Benedict the 16th were both heretics.

Can someone give me some background information on this place and some answers to what they proclaim.
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It’s been happening since the great apostacy began over 1500 years after Jesus Christ founded His Church. It will continue until the Body of Christ is fractured into thousands of disperate denominations, but the gates of Hell ultimately cannot prevail against The Church that He founded.
 
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