Can someone help me with this (Litany of the Saints)?

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Hi,

So I’m typing the words to the Litany of the Saints that is available on youtube. It’s different from other versions that I have seen on the Internet.

Now, I can’t understand for the life of me what the priest says at 3:35.

youtube.com/watch?v=XnyIEhpA6SE

All I can hear is Sancti ____ et Gregori.
I know it’s another saint, considering the response is in the plural imperative. I just can’t hear what the priest says.

Can anyone help me fill in the blank? Thanks 🙂

Scott

EDIT: I seem to also be having trouble identifying what is said at 3:55. I seem to have trouble hearing when the name “Gregory” comes up. 😊
 
AJV said:
Leo et Gregorii.
Basilii et Gregorii
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Thanks AJV!!
One last question: at 1:28, what is said? It sounds like “Abram” or something similar, but that doesn’t make sense after “Angeli”, both theologically and liturgically.

Thanks a bunch! 🙂
 
The_Scott said:
Thanks AJV!!
One last question: at 1:28, what is said? It sounds like “Abram” or something similar, but that doesn’t make sense after “Angeli”, both theologically and liturgically.

Thanks a bunch! 🙂
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It is “Sancte Abraham.” The “categorical” invocations, like “Omnes sancti angeli et archangeli,” occur as catchalls at the ends of their respective categories, not as headings at the beginning. So you’ll notice that “patriarchae” comes up a bit later.
 
Thanks Mark!

And I ask one last favor from you guys - and its a big one. I’m stuck at a certain point in the litany, and can’t comprehend it beyond that point.
So I was wondering if it would be alright if I just simply copy/pasted what I already have, and see if anyone can review it to make sure it’s correct. I hope it isn’t too much to ask for.

And here it is:

V. Kyrie, eléison.
R. Kyrie, eléison.

V. Christe, eléison.
R. Christe, eléison.

V. Kyrie, eléison.
R. Kyrie, eléison.

V. Pater de cælis, Deus.
R. Miserére nobis.

V. Fili, Redémptor mundi, Deus.
R. Miserére nobis.

V. Spíritus Sancte, Deus.
R. Miserére nobis.

V. Sancta Trinitas, unus Deus.
R. Miserére nobis.

V. Sancta Maria.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancta Dei Genitrix.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancta Virgo vírginum.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancti Michael, Gabriel, et Raphael.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Omnes sancti Angeli.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Abraham.
R. Ora pro nobis

V. Sancte Joánnes Bapista.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Joseph.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Omnes sancti Patriarchæ et Prophetæ.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Petre et Paule.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Andrea.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Joánnes et Jacobe.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Matthæe.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Omnes sancti Apóstoli.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Marce.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancta Maria Magdalena.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Omnes sancti Discipuli Dómini.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Stephane.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Ignasti.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Polycarpe.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Justine.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Laurenti.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancta Agnes.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Omnes sancti martyres.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancti Leo et Gregóri.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Ambrosi.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Augustine.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancti Basili et Gregóri.
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Sancte Benedicte.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancte Johannes Maria.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancta Theresea
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Sancta Elizabeth.
R. Ora pro nobis.

V. Omnes sancti et sanctae Dei
R. Orate pro nobis.

V. Propitius esto.
R. Libera nos, Domine.

V. Ab omni malo.
R. Libera nos, Dómine.

V. Ab omni peccáto.
R. Libera nos, Dómine.

V. Incarnatiónis tuæ.
R. Libera nos, Domine.

V. Per sanctam resurrectiónem tuam.
R. Libera nos, Dómine.

V. Per advéntum Spíritus Sancti.
R. Libera nos, Dómine.

V. Christe, Fili Dei.
R. Miserere nobis.

V. Qui mundum evenisti
R. Miserere nobis.

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The_Scott said:
Thanks Mark!

And I ask one last favor from you guys - and its a big one. I’m stuck at a certain point in the litany, and can’t comprehend it beyond that point.
So I was wondering if it would be alright if I just simply copy/pasted what I already have, and see if anyone can review it to make sure it’s correct. I hope it isn’t too much to ask for.

And here it is:
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I don’t blame you for having some difficulty. The accent sounds French, and it comes though a bit thicker in the later invocations. The swallowed R in “resurrexisti” is very hard to make out.

You have only a couple of errors in the first part. One, it should be “Sancti Petre et Paule.” Yes, I know they sing “Sancte,” but that’s wrong. They also pronounce the last syllable in “Patriarchae” incorrectly, and incorrectly say “Omnes Sancte (or Sanctae?) Apostoli,” both of which you’ve gotten right.

Similarly, it’s “Sancti Ioannes et Iacobe,” although here they’ve gotten it right and you haven’t. As a tip, “Sancte,” with the E, can only apply to a singular male.

It’s “Sancte Ignati,” not “Ignasti.” “Sancta Theresia,” not “Theresea.”

After “Ab omni malo,” here is how the invocations go:

A morte perpetua / Libera nos, Domine

Per incarnationem tuam / Libera . . .

Per sanctam resurrectionem tuam

Per effusionem Spiritus Sancti

Christe Fili Dei Vivi / Miserere nobis

Qui in hunc mundum venisti / Miserere . . .

Qui mortem propter nos accepisti

Qui a mortuis resurrexisti

Qui Spiritum Sanctum in Apostolos misisti

Qui venturus es iudicare vivos et mortuos

Ut nobis parcas / Te rogamus audi nos

Ut ecclesiam tuam sanctam regere et servare digneris / Te rogamus . . .

Ut omnes homines ad Evangelii lumen perducere digneris

Christe, audi nos / Christe, audi nos

Christe, exaudi nos / Christe, exaudi nos

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi / Miserere nobis

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi / Miserere nobis

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi / Miserere nobis

Christe, audi nos / Christe, audi nos

Christe, exaudi nos / Christe, exaudi nos

Kyrie eleison / Christe eleison

Kyrie eleison.
Hope this helps!
 
Thank you very much Mark!! You were a great help.

And I should’ve known that it was “Sancti” for the plural - my Latin professor would’ve been upset 🙂

This will make it much easier to understand what they’re saying. I greatly appreciate this.

Thank you and God bless.
 
Mark, you are awesome.

For you :coffee: 🙂

Major thread derailment alert, but hopefully for just a minute. Since you were talking about singlular and plural, why is it:

In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti but
Gloria Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto

Thanks.
 
Why is this chant different from what is online and in the Missale Romanum?
 
TrueLight said:
Mark, you are awesome.

For you :coffee: 🙂

Major thread derailment alert, but hopefully for just a minute. Since you were talking about singlular and plural, why is it:

In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti but
Gloria Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto

Thanks.
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I can answer this! 😃

For In nomine Patris…, the “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Spirit” are in the genitive case, meaning that they are possessive. This is why we translate it to "In the name **of ** the Father, and ** of ** the Son, and ** of ** the Holy Spirit.
For Gloria Patri…, the “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Spirit” are in the dative case, meaning it’s an indirect object. We translate that to “to the Father, **to ** the Son” and so on.

The different endings indicate which case the noun is in. For the dative, it indicates indirect object, and we translate that “to/for ___.” For the genitive case, it indicates possession, and we translate that “of ____.”

Does this help?
 
The_Scott said:
I can answer this! 😃

For In nomine Patris…, the “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Spirit” are in the genitive case, meaning that they are possessive. This is why we translate it to "In the name **of ** the Father, and ** of ** the Son, and ** of ** the Holy Spirit.
For Gloria Patri…, the “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Spirit” are in the dative case, meaning it’s an indirect object. We translate that to “to the Father, **to ** the Son” and so on.

The different endings indicate which case the noun is in. For the dative, it indicates indirect object, and we translate that “to/for ___.” For the genitive case, it indicates possession, and we translate that “of ____.”

Does this help?
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Yes it does. Thank you! I’m teaching myself Latin and all those cases get confusing.
 
TrueLight said:
Yes it does. Thank you! I’m teaching myself Latin and all those cases get confusing.
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The best textbook I’ve read for Classical Latin is Wheelock’s Latin.

Here’s a link to it on amazon: amazon.com/Wheelocks-Latin-Classic-Introductory-Ancient/dp/0060956410

Here’s a link for it on Barnes and Noble: barnesandnoble.com/w/workbook-for-wheelocks-latin-paul-t-comeau/1002405279 .

It’s actually pretty cheap, and very popular (so you probably won’t have trouble finding it in your nearest bookstore).
 
The_Scott said:
The best textbook I’ve read for Classical Latin is Wheelock’s Latin.

Here’s a link to it on amazon: amazon.com/Wheelocks-Latin-Classic-Introductory-Ancient/dp/0060956410

Here’s a link for it on Barnes and Noble: barnesandnoble.com/w/workbook-for-wheelocks-latin-paul-t-comeau/1002405279 .

It’s actually pretty cheap, and very popular (so you probably won’t have trouble finding it in your nearest bookstore).
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I’m actually learning ecclesiastical Latin. Is there a big difference? I’m using this book:
 
TrueLight said:
I’m actually learning ecclesiastical Latin. Is there a big difference? I’m using this book:
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I think the only difference is pronunciation, with Ecclesiastical Latin sounding more Italian. I’m pretty sure grammar is essentially the same.
 
The_Scott said:
Thank you very much Mark!! You were a great help.
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You’re welcome!
TrueLight said:
Why is this chant different from what is online and in the Missale Romanum?
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There is no single version of the Litany of Saints. Even the ecclesiastical books have different versions for the Easter Vigil, for ordination of priests, and so on. Sort of like how there is no official version of the rosary.
TrueLight said:
I’m actually learning ecclesiastical Latin. Is there a big difference? I’m using this book:
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Scott is basically right. There are a tiny handful of grammatical differences, mostly caused by degradation of classical Latin. Interestingly, one specific instance came up in the litany I typed: “Qui venturus es iudicare vivos et mortuos” (“Who are coming to judge the living and the dead”; you’ll notice it also in the Apostles’ Creed). In classical Latin it is an error to use the infinitive in this way to express purpose; it ought to be “ad iudicandum vivos et mortuos,” or possibly “causa iudicandi vivos et mortuos.” Obviously, at some point the error caught on and became standard.

Other than a handful of those types of things, though, and the pronunciation issue, the difference between classical Latin and Ecclesiastical Latin is, to use my standard example, somewhere on the order of the difference between literary English and scientific English, or maybe the difference between reading the Declaration of Independence and reading Hemingway. In other words, definitely the same language, and not even so different that you would call them two dialects of the language.
 
One more thing you guys, then I’m going to bed.

At my parish we do the Stations of the Cross at the all night vigil.

After each station the priest sings a short refrain (I have no idea what he is saying), but then the laity respond “miserere nostri”.

Or at least that’s what it sounds like. Does that make sense? Miserere Nostri vs Miserere Nobis?

Thanks!

Is there a Latin thread somewhere on this board?😃
 
TrueLight said:
One more thing you guys, then I’m going to bed.

At my parish we do the Stations of the Cross at the all night vigil.

After each station the priest sings a short refrain (I have no idea what he is saying), but then the laity respond “miserere nostri”.

Or at least that’s what it sounds like. Does that make sense? Miserere Nostri vs Miserere Nobis?

Thanks!
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Yes, misereor can take either the dative or the genitive. I think the dative is more common. There are a few verbs which take a genitive (pseudo-)object, which can catch you off guard. Memini (“remember,” often seen in the imperative memento) is a frequent offender. Hence “Memento mei, Domine, dum veneris in regnum tuum” (“Remember me, Lord, when you come into your kingdom”).
 
TrueLight said:
One more thing you guys, then I’m going to bed.

At my parish we do the Stations of the Cross at the all night vigil.

After each station the priest sings a short refrain (I have no idea what he is saying), but then the laity respond “miserere nostri”.

Or at least that’s what it sounds like. Does that make sense? Miserere Nostri vs Miserere Nobis?

Thanks!

Is there a Latin thread somewhere on this board?😃
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Just statistically, it’s probably Miserere Nobis.
 
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