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This is a question I read on a facebook forum: “Just throwing it out there in Exodus 32:30-35 Moses offers himself to cover the sins of his people, yet god pretty much says each man dies for his own sin and in Deuteronomy 24:16 states this quite clear, so God sends man a law and then flips the script and does the complete opposite? bit confusing don’t you think? Also in Deuteronomy 12:30-31 human sacrifice is considered an abomination, so why would God come in human form as Jesus the Son or God the Son (gets very confusing) and break his very law or be the product of the abomination? Or if he came as God in flesh :confused: God almighty can be killed? Many will possibly ask we need Jesus because ‘Jesus is the only way to God’ but then what of Genesis 4:7 is he really needed or is he a product of religion? I look foward to your views…”
 
Without having done any study on this subject, I’m just going to say the first thing that came to my mind.

Moses was an ordinary man, and thus was not a sufficient “sacrifice” for the sins of a nation. Jesus, on the hand, was no ordinary man. . .
 
I echo what DaveBj said: while Moses was only a Man, albeit a fine one, Our Lord was the ultimate spotless victim by virtue of his divinity. He was the only one with the power and the capability of being such a sacrifice for humanity.
 
This is a question I read on a facebook forum: “Just throwing it out there in Exodus 32:30-35 Moses offers himself to cover the sins of his people, yet god pretty much says each man dies for his own sin and in Deuteronomy 24:16 states this quite clear, so God sends man a law and then flips the script and does the complete opposite? bit confusing don’t you think? Also in Deuteronomy 12:30-31 human sacrifice is considered an abomination, so why would God come in human form as Jesus the Son or God the Son (gets very confusing) and break his very law or be the product of the abomination? Or if he came as God in flesh :confused: God almighty can be killed? Many will possibly ask we need Jesus because ‘Jesus is the only way to God’ but then what of Genesis 4:7 is he really needed or is he a product of religion? I look foward to your views…”
 
This is a question I read on a facebook forum: “Just throwing it out there in Exodus 32:30-35 Moses offers himself to cover the sins of his people, yet god pretty much says each man dies for his own sin and in Deuteronomy 24:16 states this quite clear, so God sends man a law and then flips the script and does the complete opposite? bit confusing don’t you think? Also in Deuteronomy 12:30-31 human sacrifice is considered an abomination, so why would God come in human form as Jesus the Son or God the Son (gets very confusing) and break his very law or be the product of the abomination? Or if he came as God in flesh :confused: God almighty can be killed? Many will possibly ask we need Jesus because ‘Jesus is the only way to God’ but then what of Genesis 4:7 is he really needed or is he a product of religion? I look foward to your views…”
The proper form of scripture study is called “exegesis” which means to study and figure out scripture as it is. What is God saying?

The contrasting improper form of scripture study has a name, too, and it’s eisogesis. This means, like your question, to ignore what’s there and to go at with skepticism and perhaps even animosity.

But, even still, your question deserves some answer, to try and untangle your question and give you the proper, scriptural answer.

First of all, we are to read scripture with faith, if we want any chance of understanding it.

Second, we need either to study scripture sufficiently in itself, or use commentaries to help speed up the process of our understanding what it there.

So, jumping over a lot of preliminary explanation which you probably need, because of your question, let’s say this. God is sovereign. That means, he makes all the decisions, he is the one who makes things happen. General rules about not sacrificing humans or specific rules about not taking Moses’ life in atonement for the sins of Israel, are examples of the sovereignty of God.

One of the themes in the Old Testament is that the Israelites are not to practice religion in the way that their pagan neighbors do. So, some examples of this are, first and foremost, not to worship idols or set up worship poles or mounds of stones, like they do. Now, I can’t tell you where human sacrifice was practiced outside of Israel, but the Israelites did lapse away and practice human sacrifice, which God was very displeased with. I can’t cite the verses in scripture where this happens but it does happen.

Another command from God is not to drink the blood of animals. So, much later, the Jews of Jesus’s day were astonished and scandalized when Jesus told them (John chapter 6) that they had to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

the easiest explanation of your question, is not that God was flip-flopping, but that God said this and that – and THAT is “that.” Does this make sense? It does, in faith, when you recognize and accept that the blood that God wanted them to drink was not the blood of sacrificed animals, but the body and blood of Jesus in the sacramental form that Jesus gave us.

It’s perfectly simple to “see” and understand, when you approach the subject with faith.

I hope you are enriched with the good news of Jesus Christ.
 
to expand on the idea of the “sovereignty” of God – God is depicted in human terms, so human beings can understand it, as a king.

In the ancient middle east the king was a law giver.

The covenant at Sinai was of a type known in the same time period among powerful kings and his subjects, known as a Suzzerain-Vassal treaty – an agreement or covenant between parties that were unequal in status. One characteristic of this is that the suzzerain was usually a king who made the laws.

The scripture cited in the original post shows the general area where these laws against pagan human sacrifice are mentioned.

A more advanced and technical explanation of the relationship between the Old Testament and the New Testament is given in a document from the Pontifical Biblical Institute (with an introduction by Pope Benedict XVI) linked here:

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCJWSCR.HTM
 
Exodus 32:30-35
Moses is praying for his people by offering himself. But God refuses Moses’ offer because
God still needs Moses to lead his people. This is the reason since God gives for right after the
offer Moses made, God says to Moses, “Go now, lead the people…”

Deuteronomy 24:16
“Fathers may not be put to death for their sons, nor sons for fathers. Each is to be put to
death for his own sin.”
This passage dosen’t mean that a father cannot offer his life in place of his son. It means
that when justice is executed, the father’s life should not be taken when the son cannot be found
to be accountable. All these passages before and after refer to personal liability for our own actions.
And these passages are not alluding to any type of sacrificial offering.

Deuteronomy 12:30-31
This passage is relating how the true God detests how the pegan people are burning their sons and
daughters in the fire for their false gods. This has nothing to do with the Jewish laws a sacrifice,
but is a simple condemnation of offering sacrifice to false gods. In the previous passage, it is talks
about these false gods. There is no referral here to Jesus, for Jesus is the true Son of God.

In reference to “Or if he came as God in flesh :confused: God almighty can be killed?”

Human death according to the catholic definition takes place at the moment of seperation of the
human soul from the human body. Christ did die when this took place according to this
definition for He was man. But His soul did not die or cease to exist, nor did his divine Person

Then in reference to “but then what of Genesis 4:7 is he really needed or is he a product of religion?”
Gen 4:7 “If you do what is right will you not be accepted?” God said immediately before this, “Why
is your face downcast?” in reference to Cain’s sacrifice. And the reason God gives is due to a sin
of jealousy by Cain which is then shown when He subsequently kills Abel. This whole passage is
relating to Cain and Abel not to Jesus.

May I offer you some good souces of information which may help, and are easy reads.

davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_in_the_bible.htm

catholicity.com/catechism/
 
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