Can someone please answer some questions about Mary?

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…maybe your fellow members are trying to force devotion to Mary on you ?
Do you believe that Our Lord was trying to force devotion to Mary on Saint John when from the Cross He said: “Behold your mother.”?

I wonder if the Jews feel offended if the name of *“Father Abraham” *is mentioned in their prayer services." (both, him and Mary climbed a mountain, in obedience to God, to witness the sacrifice of their only son for the sake of humanity. But Abraham was spared!..

Because Abraham did not hold back his only son, he was recognized as *Father of many nations *and mediator of the Old Covenant. Yet, even if Our Lady endured the same (or worse) sacrifice, her intercession is downplayed by non-Catholics. How grateful are we? :rolleyes:

I wish we were as grateful to Our Lady as the Jewish people are to Abraham!
Peace
 
Do you believe that Our Lord was trying to force devotion to Mary on Saint John when from the Cross He said: “Behold your mother.”?

I wonder if the Jews feel offended if the name of *“Father Abraham” *is mentioned in their prayer services." (both, him and Mary climbed a mountain, in obedience to God, to witness the sacrifice of their only son for the sake of humanity. But Abraham was spared!..

Because Abraham did not hold back his only son, he was recognized as *Father of many nations *and mediator of the Old Covenant. Yet, even if Our Lady endured the same (or worse) sacrifice, her intercession is downplayed by non-Catholics. How grateful are we? :rolleyes:

I wish we were as grateful to Our Lady as the Jewish people are to Abraham!
Peace
Umm…Hi Edward. Did you notice the @JudiTherese beginning that post ? It means those comments were addressed specifically to her.

If you’d like to find out about my own devotion to our Blessed Mother, there’s a function where you can see all the posts of a member. I’d recommend you back up a couple of months and read my posts in Jimmy B’s thread (non catholic religions) “Why is it wrong to love Mary.” I think you’d find we see eye to eye on a lot of things.

If you’ve read all the posts in this thread, it should’ve been gleaned by now that some converts to Catholicism commonly encounter difficulty in embracing devotion to our Blessed Mother. Maybe another way of saying this is we are all at different personal stages regarding devotion to our Blessed Mother. JudiTherese didn’t have the oppotunity to learn the Rosary as a young child at her mother’s knee the way I did.

So a special consideration is in order for a fellow Catholic asking for help in difficulties with devotion to Mary. Maybe you mistakenly perceived this as a lack of devotion to Our Lady on my part ? I’m kind of hoping so because your answer nearly exemplifies what I was talking about when I said “forcing devotion to Mary on you.”
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That being said, it’s always nice to hear about Abraham and Issac. Issac is often portrayed a a prefigurement of Jesus. When God saw that Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only son (Hagar and Ishmael ahd been banished) as God would, there was a bond.

My favourite comparison is that just as Jesus carried the wood of the Cross on his back while he climbed Calvary to be crucified, so Issac carried the wood for the sacrifice as he climbed the mountain with Abraham. (…can’t remember where I read it…True Devotion To Mary [by St. Louis de Montfort maybe ?]

I think Jews are more offended when we name Abraham as our father in faith (Eucharistic Prayer I,[Roman Canon]). Apparently they don’t like us using the word “Yahweh”. Remember the hymn “Yahweh, I know You Are Near”…?, well in CBW III they changed the words to “O God I know You Are Near”. It seems the Jews were offended. (“Gee” I have to ask myself, “do we really have that many jewish people attending Mass to hear us sing it and then become offended?”) :hmmm:
 
@ Edward Henry.

I just realized there’s a possibility you may have understood “fellow members” to mean the members here at CAF. I apologize if that’s the case.

It’s referring to the OP where she says " we were discussing a situation with one of our fellow class members." It would’ve been clearer if I’d said “fellow class members.” :o
 
JudiTherese,

I am a cradle Catholic, but I always thought Mary was strange. (Funny, in my mind she had many of the same characteristics as my own loving, but still terribly odd mother, god bless her!)…

So, I asked Jesus, in much the same way as a PP mentioned:

“Jesus My Lord. I trust you in everything. Mom says I’ll be happier if I love Your Mother too, but I just don’t get it. Help me to understand how you wish me to relate to Mary. Open my heart to joyfully receive Your answer.”

At this point, I’m not a devoted Marianist, but I do believe that I love the Blessed Mother the way Jesus has guided me to. Maybe a simple, humble prayer to Our Lord will help you understand our relationship with her and give you the blessing of your own relationship with her!

Best wishes!
 
Think about it this way…it’s not a perfect example, since it deals with humans, but…

Think about this also–you said you would willingly pray for others. Can’t others go straight to Jesus as well? If so, why would your prayers be of benefit to them? Is it because you are a Christian and close to Jesus? How much more would His mother’s prayers help us then?

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I believe the scripture: Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them." (Matt 18:19-20)

That is why I would pray for others or ask them to pray for me IN ADDITION to praying for myself.

I find it offensive that you would think God would rather have Mary ask him than me. We are both his children. He tells me to come to HIM. He never says to send MARY while I cower in fear. He is MY Father in Heaven.
 
@ JudiTherese:

I was wondering when you attend Mass, have they ever used the penitential rite (confiteor) that goes this way? :

“I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault (supposed to strike our breast here)
in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do;”

Then in conclusion we invoke Mary, the angels and the Saints:

“…and I ask blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God.”
If so, do you have trouble with that part where our Blessed Mother is mentioned too, or do you think maybe your fellow members are trying to force devotion to Mary on you ?
I see that as no different than asking my sister or my mom to pray for and WITH me about something. Not instead of me.
 
Do you believe that Our Lord was trying to force devotion to Mary on Saint John when from the Cross He said: “Behold your mother.”?

IPeace

No. He was asking his friend to take care of his mother. That is a wonderful testament to a son’s love.
 
I believe the scripture: Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them." (Matt 18:19-20)

That is why I would pray for others or ask them to pray for me IN ADDITION to praying for myself.
Of course; but you are leaving out of that equation all our brothers and sisters “who have gone ahead of us marked by the sign of faith”, and that includes most especially the Mother whom Christ has given to us. He so identifies with us, truly is born within us at baptism that now His Mother is ours. She is our Queen - the mother of our King, and so we give her all of the respect and honor that is due to a Queen by her subjects.

I realize your RCIA program was woefully lacking in in regard to the Communion of Saints and Mary’s role in our lives, but now that you have professed your faith as a Catholic it is incumbent on you to get to know the Faith better and that includes wanting to understand what Christ teaches through His Church about His mother - and ours. The Church is not promoting the “worship” of Mary (as we often hear as an accusation), but is, rather, clarifying her essential role in the Incarnation and the tremendous importance of the Incarnation - calling Christians to appreciate it fully and properly.

In promoting personal Marian devotion, the Church holds out an incredibly valuable good that it would like all of us to have. Granted, some Catholics may not be able or well-suited to appreciate or accept this good; and the Church makes allowances for that. But, that doesn’t mean that the lack of personal Marian devotion is “equally Catholic” to the possession of it; the latter is what the Church would have you have and the former is what the Church allows for those who might not be ready or able to do otherwise.
I find it offensive that you would think God would rather have Mary ask him than me. We are both his children. He tells me to come to HIM. He never says to send MARY while I cower in fear. He is MY Father in Heaven.
Yes, He is. And you also have a mother who He has given to you in and through His Son. What I’ve often seen among Protestants - and your discomfort regarding prayers to Mary may reflect this - is that many are uncomfortable with an understanding of anyone, including the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Divine Savior and hence Mother of God, being at an advantage - by God’s predilection - in the Trinitarian life. This discomfiture appears when there is a diminished understanding of what the grace flowing from Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit accomplishes in the faithful soul as he or she progresses (hopefully) in this Christ-life; they do not understand that we are being divinized (“do you not know you have become partakers of the divine nature?”), but, instead, see grace as something that covers rather than transforms our human nature. As Catholics (and Orthodox, too), though, we know that Mary’s participation in the life of the Trinity (a life to which we are all called) is of a higher “status” or “role” than ours or any of the Saints in heaven, canonized or not. The Catholic says, “Yes, this is what we have by grace and since these is what we have the Blessed and Ever-Virgin Mary - by grace - has it in spades!”

Intercession while living on earth depends on being IN Christ, in a state of grace which sanctifies the soul, thus allowing the person to ask God for something for someone else. But in Heaven the person has the Beatific Vision of God and is united to Him “face to face” and “knows as he is known” and in a greater position to ask for someone else (since he does not need anything for himself). Therefore, to ask in Christ on of the Blessed to intercede for us is simply communicated to that someone by Christ since there is no other way that person could know what is going on down here except by being shown by Christ.
 
@ Edward Henry.
I just realized there’s a possibility you may have understood “fellow members” to mean the members here at CAF. I apologize if that’s the case.
No apologies necessary. It is evident that we are on the same side and of the point of view. I guess our zealous devotion to defend Our Lady sometimes takes the best of us.

God bless and thank you for your response. It clears it all up.

To Jesus through Mary 👍

Edward Henry
 
Originally Posted by Edward Henry
Do you believe that Our Lord was trying to force devotion to Mary on Saint John when from the Cross He said: “Behold your mother.”?
IPeace

No. He was asking his friend to take care of his mother. That is a wonderful testament to a son’s love.

This is a common misconception. He was not* “asking a friend to take care of his mother”. *Even in the midst of tremendous suffering, our Lord chose his words carefully.

He did not say, "John, here is my mother", He said, Behold your mother. He was not entrusting Mary to John, He was entrusting the mourning and scared disciple to the spiritual strength of His Beloved Mother.

Even further, it was not a coincidence that the inspired evangelist also chose his words carefully.

John 19 : 27 clearly specifies: "After that, he said to the disciple: Behold thy mother." The divinely inspired apostle did not write, "After that, he said to John", because he knew that the Lord’s words were not only directed at him but at all of his disciples. He was addressing all of His disciples and reminding us that He was not leaving us orphans, He was entrusting us to his Mother.

I pray this helps. 🙂

Edward Henry
 
I"d strongly recommend you read Scott Hahn’s book - Hail Holy Queen. Scott, formerly an evangilical Protestant teacher outlines the Marian doctrines from a new perspective following his conversion to Catholicism. As a Protestant getting ready to start RCIA myself, I’m finding this book very interesting.

Blessings,

Brian
 
Hi NeedImprovement,

You shared,
That being said, it’s always nice to hear about Abraham and Issac. Issac is often portrayed a a prefigurement of Jesus. When God saw that Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only son (Hagar and Ishmael ahd been banished) as God would, there was a bond.
My favourite comparison is that just as Jesus carried the wood of the Cross on his back while he climbed Calvary to be crucified, so Issac carried the wood for the sacrifice as he climbed the mountain with Abraham. (…can’t remember where I read it…True Devotion To Mary [by St. Louis de Montfort maybe ?]
I am with you.🙂 It is also fascinating that while they were climbing, young Isaac asked, ***“My father!.. Behold, the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?” *** Abraham said, "God himself will provide the lamb for a burnt offering, my son." (Gen 22: 7 -8)

Yet, although Abraham promised a lamb, God did not provide a lamb, but a ram. "And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns; and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son."

At first look, it might seem that the choice of victims is insignificant and of no importance. but I believe that God does not do anything without a purpose. This divine choice of victims turns Abraham’s words into a an amazing biblical prophesy. Had God provided a lamb instead of a ram caugth in a thicket, most of us readers would have considered Abraham’s trusting promise fulfilled. But this was not God’s plan, and instead He leaves us wondering, "so where is the lamb for the holocaust that Abraham promised Isaac?"

I believe that 2000 years later, at the shore of the Jordan River, God finally fulfills Abraham’s promise: "This happened in Bethany across the Jordan, where John was baptizing. The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, * who takes away the sin of the world. " (John 1: 28 -29)

This would be the typological connection between both sacrifices… two fathers offered ‘their only begotten son’, for the sake of the world. Two fathers witnessed in pain as their son obediently carried the wood with which he was going to be sacrificed, up a mountain. Abraham’s son was spared… God’s Son was not."😊

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Another often ingored difference is that: Sarah, Isaac’s mother was unaware and unaffected by this trial of love… The Mother of Jesus wasn’t. She was there! sharing the Heavenly Father’s pain. Accepting the pain that came from her Fiat:*** “Behold the handmaid of the Lord: be it done to me according to thy word.” ***(Luke 1: 38) and that had been prophesied by the old man Simeon at the time of the presentation.

I pray this makes sense

To Jesus through Mary 👍

Edward Henry
 
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🙂 Happy Birthday Blessed Virgin Mary:)

Pray for us sinners!
 
Indeed, praises be to the Blessed Virgin this day :D. May her sweet presence accompany us all, always.
 
September 8th 2008
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🙂 Happy Birthday Blessed Virgin Mary:)

Pray for us sinners!
Amen!

Mary the dawn, Christ the Perfect Day; Mary the gate, Christ the Heavenly Way!

Mary the root, Christ the Mystic Vine; Mary the grape, Christ the Sacred Wine!

Mary the wheat, Christ the Living Bread; Mary the stem, Christ the Rose blood-red!

Mary the font, Christ the Cleansing Flood; Mary the cup, Christ the Saving Blood!

Mary the temple, Christ the temple’s Lord; Mary the shrine, Christ the God adored!

Mary the beacon, Christ the Haven’s Rest; Mary the mirror, Christ the Vision Blest!

Mary the mother, Christ the mother’s Son By all things blest while endless ages run. Amen.
 
@ FCEGM that’s nothing short of awesome. Would you happen to know the author?

Thank-you Father , Son , and Holy Spirit for our Mother.
 
@ FCEGM that’s nothing short of awesome. Would you happen to know the author?

Thank-you Father , Son , and Holy Spirit for our Mother.
I agree - totally awesome. 🙂 This hymn was written by a Redemptorist priest or brother (not sure which) Justin Mulcahy under the pseudonym “Paul Cross”. It’s included as one of the hymns in the Liturgy of the Hours for feasts of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The music for it can be seen here (from The Adoremus Hymnal):

wf-f.org/HymnMaryDawn.html
 
I agree - totally awesome. 🙂 This hymn was written by a Redemptorist priest or brother (not sure which) Justin Mulcahy under the pseudonym “Paul Cross”. It’s included as one of the hymns in the Liturgy of the Hours for feasts of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The music for it can be seen here (from The Adoremus Hymnal):

wf-f.org/HymnMaryDawn.html
Thanks Frances. I took a pretty thorough look through my copy of the breviary and couldn’t find it. I use the single volume edition. I’m guessing it’s found in the 4-volume edition…?
 
I have been a Catholic for almost 2 years. We never discussed Mary in the RCIA classes. When I was at a Bible study Thursday night, we were discussing a situation with one of our fellow class members. Someone suggested we pray and she began praying to MARY instead of GOD. I don’t get it. It felt very weird and wrong to me.

Later I asked my friend about it and she said that yes, Catholics do pray to Mary. That they believe that she powerful and above all women. She basically gave Mary credit for Jesus birth, when frankly, I see Mary as the vessel used to bring Jesus to the people.

Help, because this doesn’t feel right to me.
 
I have been a Catholic for almost 2 years. We never discussed Mary in the RCIA classes. When I was at a Bible study Thursday night, we were discussing a situation with one of our fellow class members. Someone suggested we pray and she began praying to MARY instead of GOD. I don’t get it. It felt very weird and wrong to me.

Later I asked my friend about it and she said that yes, Catholics do pray to Mary. That they believe that she powerful and above all women. She basically gave Mary credit for Jesus birth, when frankly, I see Mary as the vessel used to bring Jesus to the people.

Help, because this doesn’t feel right to me.
 
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