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Exodus 23:19:

“The first of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.”

Was this some pagan ritual or something? Its under the directions for the annual feasts that the Jews are to celebrate. I saw this passage and had to do a double take.

EDIT: Btw, this is taken from the RSV-2CE.
 
Exodus 23:19:

“The first of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.”

Was this some pagan ritual or something? Its under the directions for the annual feasts that the Jews are to celebrate. I saw this passage and had to do a double take.

EDIT: Btw, this is taken from the RSV-2CE.
Kid being a young donkey not a child.
 
A “kid” is a baby goat.
From USCCB: Boil a kid in its mother’s milk: this was part of a Canaanite ritual; hence it is forbidden here as a pagan ceremony.
Boiling meat in milk - something similiar today would be crock potting the meat for gravy.

The original sacrifical instruction by God, was to roast the lamb.

However this comes from Exodus 29:31:
"You shall take the flesh of the ordination ram and boil it in a holy place.
Here in America we have a clear distinction between sheep (white and fluffy) and goats (skinny and long hair) . I’ve noticed in Jerusalem, it gets really tough to determine which is which.
 
Exodus 23:19:

“The first of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.”

Was this some pagan ritual or something? Its under the directions for the annual feasts that the Jews are to celebrate. I saw this passage and had to do a double take.

EDIT: Btw, this is taken from the RSV-2CE.
kolel.org/pages/5762/reeh.html

‘But we can speculate, as many have done. Since God makes it clear in the Torah that we are to avoid the practises of the idolatrous peoples and maintain ourselves as a distinct nation, many assume that the Chukim, and particularly the laws of Kashrut, exist to counteract certain idolatrous rituals. Apparently it was a common pagan sacrificial practise to offer a foetal or new born goat boiled in the milk of its mother, and this was considered an abomination for the Israelites. While this sacrificial practice may have ceased, the item is still on the menu today. On a Mediterranean cooking web site, I came across a recipe from Syria/Lebanon called “Lamb Cooked In Its Mother’s Milk.” Oy. I don’t think this is a coincidence. Obviously the practice existed, or the Torah would have no reason to prohibit it.’
 
“The first of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.”
dje,
Ha. I was just thinking about this crazy verse a couple of days ago. Even in its time of writing it must have seemed wacko. But is this all it is, an obscure ancient dietary prescription concerning the preparation of certain goat meats? Or can there be found in this strange dietary prohibition a spiritual meaning that reaches beyond eating restrictions?

And what is it that is so strange?

Eating goat meat, even young goat meat isn’t out of the ordinary.
The kid wasn’t necessarily boiled alive as it would probably have been slaughtered first. So the boiling aspect doesn’t present anything disturbing in itself.
Cooking meat in milk isn’t repulsive in itself especially if water is scarce.

But what is strange is that the newborn animal is cooked in its own mother’s milk, the very milk that was co-generated alongside the newborn within the same maternal body, the very milk intended to nourish the newborn’s feeble life in its first days and insure life beyond infancy. Given this, this dish now seems unnatural, disturbing and cruel. How so? People were a lot more superstitious then than now and also much closer to and in tune with natural processes - they had to be. So the combination of a newborn animal cooked in its own mother’s milk probably seemed grossly contrary to the natural order of perceived things and thus repulsive.

OK, but beyond some general appreciation for ordered natural processes in God’s creation, what possible spiritual meaning can be derived from this? How can this possibly reflect upon my own personal spiritual growth?

Isn’t it interesting that this verse follows the prescription to offer one’s best to God? It seems there could not be two more different verses alongside each other, one so broad and general and the other so particular and localized. Is this bizarre juxtaposition of verses explained away as just a random result of rewriting and redaction? Was this order derived from drawing verses out of a hat? Or could it be intentional even necessary that one follows the other?

Is it a stretch to suggest that offering our best to God is necessary for us to grow spiritually, that it is good for our souls? No, of course not, it is fundamental. Then offering our best to God, giving our ‘first fruits’ to God can be described as spiritual ‘mother’s milk’ for our souls. It is vital for our soul’s spiritual growth. It is a very spiritually natural thing to occur. Given this, then when we deny to offer God our best and keep it all to ourselves we are in effect upsetting the ‘spiritual’ natural order. By keeping what we should offer we transform that which is meant to nourish us spiritually into that which kills us spiritually. When we succumb to materialism, when our goal is gain, gain, gain; when we don’t let go of things, we are spiritually boiling our souls in our souls’ own spiritual ‘mother’s milk.’ The nourishing process of offering our best to God, which is meant to bring life to our souls, is perverted into the bubbling milky formaldehyde of materialism within which float our dead souls.

Vegetarian anyone? : )

This phrase then, despite being practiced literally, at the time could also have been understood and used much as we understand and use the phrase, ‘don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.’

‘Don’t let kill you that which is intended for your life’s nourishment’ - then seems to be the gist.

I hope this helped.

Pete
 
dje,
Some further thoughts…

It seems the gist could even be something like, ‘In your haste to gather in and consume don’t destroy your livelihood.’ In other words it’s an adage against greed. In one’s haste to consume, in this case milk, the kid goat - which will provide future milk - has been unwittingly gathered and prepared along with the milk. That’s the end of the milk!

Uncontested or uncontrolled greed leads to ruin. Offering the first fruits to God keeps greed in check.

Pete
 
This commentary from Haydock suggests it could have something to do with the age of the kid.

The paschal victim must not be so young as to be still suckled. The Samaritan subjoins, “Because that would be like immolating an animal found dead, and the God of Jacob hates it.” (Calmet) — Some imagine that this law alludes to a superstitious custom of the pagans, (Spencer, Rit. ii. 8,) or it forbids eating animals while they are, as it were, all milk, not eight days old. (Rivet)

Maybe it means both? Don’t follow the rituals of the Canaanites and make sure it is old enough to be considered a choice sacrifice.
 
Exodus 23:19:

“The first of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.”
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This forms the basis of the Orthodox Judaism prohibition against mixing dairy and meat in following the rules of kashrut. It was a common place culninary undertaking performed by various tribes that practices idolatry in Canaan. According to Miamonides, such food was eaten at the ceremonies of cults and at their festivals. Consequently, the Jewish people were to shun such practices.
 
Sorry to resurrect an old thread about the kid/goat in mother’s milk, but it’s listed as part of the 10 Commandments it seems in Exodus 34. How do we reconcile the Commandments listed in Exodus 34 with those in Deut 4 and Exodus 20?
 
We don’t reconcile in this thread as its long been dormant. You are free and welcome to open a new thread.
 
My apologies. I’ve been searching for something/topic like this and found this as being the closest. Thank you for the help.
 
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