Can someone point me to a rigorous proof as to why homosexuality is wrong?

[Dale_M]

The idea that there are great numbers of same sex couples who want to have children is erroneous. In addition, while it may serve an “altruistic” purpose for the penguin species, placing human children into experimental families in the hopes that it might benefit society is hardly analogous.

Oh, I should have been clear that I wasn’t making an argument for homosexual adoption. My point is that evolutionary advantages can come from non-reproductive persons. Another form of altruism is caring for the sick and disabled. Persons who were not burdened by the need to care for children are able to spend time helping those who are sick or injured. Remember, that for most of humanity’s time on earth, people didn’t live past reproductive age.

 

[Bennie_P]

Arguing that they don’t fit together and weren’t meant for each other are not good arguments.

Look at interracial couples. They look different, right? On the outside, their body parts, including their reproductive organs, are totally different colors. It’s just not the same, it’s not right, and we all know it. I mean, no one tries to match up black and white and think they’re the same, right? They’re different.

Those kind of arguments can be used to justify racism as well.

We have no right to claim natural order and that kind of **** as justification to take away other’s rights. If they’re not hurting anyone, they can do what they want. You may not like gay sex because you feel it is unnatural, but racists feel the same way about interracial sex. Our morals are always shifting, slowly including more and more people into our perceived brothers and sisters. First we included other races, then other religions, then other genders, and now sexual orientations. Of course gay marriage will be legal, all civil rights movements are always successful, it’s just a matter of time. In the future, our descendants will look back on us like we look back on our ancestors, wondering how we could ever be so stupid as to discriminate against fellow humans who are doing no harm.

I wish we could learn from history already, and start jump starting the changes that we know are going to happen, based on the trends that our species development have followed.

Your argument is totally bogus.

 

[JohnPaulTwoToo]

Look at interracial couples. They look different, right? On the outside, their body parts, including their reproductive organs, are totally different colors. It’s just not the same, it’s not right, and we all know it. I mean, no one tries to match up black and white and think they’re the same, right? They’re different.

Aside from the logical flaw, this kind of false analogy is extremely offensive to authentic victims of racial or ethnic discrimination. The backhanded slur made in this way reveals a hidden agenda in gay rights activism. In the trivialization of oppression of true minority groups, you can intuit the aliance of gay activitists with radical feminist eugenicists, and also the homophilic tendency of white racist groups. This is particularly characteristic of American white supremacists, who are quite incapable of understanding the values of mixed-race, Catholic Latin America.

 

[DebChris]

The racial argument in defending homosexuality is fallaceous. Color and function are not the same. Homosexuality is an act that can be controlled by the individual while skin tone is not altered except by outside forces such as the sun producing a tan.
While food and water are necessary for the survival of an individual, sexual intercourse is not. The conjugal act, biologically speaking, is needed only for the continuation of the species.
Mathematics asks for proof. Nevertheless, postulants are accepted because they cannot be disproved. That being the case, I choose to reverse this question.
How can homsexuality be disproved as wrong? How is it not a sin?

 

[Exalt]

How can homsexuality be disproved as wrong? How is it not a sin?

Proving a negative is difficult/impossible and you know it.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

The basic building block of a civilised society is the family unit; Mother, Father, and Children.

If you mess with the family unit, you are messing with civilisation. How selfish!

 

[averheyen]

I don’t know,

I think when the line between right and wrong has become so blurred as it has in this case, it’s time to start worrying.

 

[Sonic]

Some of us are born without a complete ‘bolt’ or a ‘nut’. The church forbid me from marrying as a result, thus I’ve drifted away because of this issue.

The church says that ‘to be safe’ since either dating men or women might be homosexual for me and there’s no way to be sure, that I should just be utterly celibate and refrain from meaningful relationships with anyone.

I was basically told to ostracize myself and leave my fiance of 5years. They denied me my love. Things are never so absolute, so I have a tremendous amount of understanding and sympathy for homosexual individuals

Pathia, your job right now is to find a way to establish your sexual identity scientifically and to get ecclesiastical recognition of that identity.

Playing the victim (because you were born inter-sexed) and blaming the church doesn’t solve the situation. Take some responsibility in this matter and do what you can to try and establish you gender.

 

[goofyjim]

It’s still my belief that the argument against homosexuality comes from religion only. It is set up as a construct to condemn those who are probably that way from birth and make them feel guilty for anything outside the norm. I know fully well I will draw alot of criticism for this view but I am entitled to my opinion. A true heterosexually married couple is not going to feel threatened by what two men do in their own bedroom. They will continue to have children and perpetuate the species while there will always be homosexual people throughout the generations as there always has been.

 

[averheyen]

Yes, they’re always HAVE been homosexual people through out the generations, and last I checked, it’s ALWAYS been immoral.

There’s always been prostitution, murder, infedelity, etc. etc. etc.

Like they say “There’s nothing new under the sun”.

People always have been and always will be people.

No common philosophy, or mordern difference of perspective will change that.

We like to call it original sin.

We also perfer to confess those sins which are part of our nature by birthright.

 

[cascherman]

I truly believe God made nature to ‘get mad’ when people violate it. Such as Disease, psyche, and the like.

I would also venture to promote the idea that if it’s okay for some, then everyone could potentially participate and it will still be okay, but then guess what happens, no more humans. With this argument they may say ‘well its okay as long as everyone isn’t doing it’. well what number of people participating in homosexuality is acceptable? They have picketed for Homosexual rights for years and years that they can’t go back now and say ‘okay, no more homosexuals, we have enough.’ Makes sense to me.

Also, back to the nature thing. The parts just don’t fit, that should be a hint for people that it’s not meant to be.

 

[goofyjim]

I respect the rights to call it a sin. I also respect the rights to sin. I just don’t agree that all sin will keep us out of heaven. We do not get to heaven on how much we love God but on how much He loves us and He loves all equally, unconditionally. Why can’t we start doing the same instead of bringing up the same topic over and over again?

 

[averheyen]

I respect the rights to call it a sin. I also respect the rights to sin. I just don’t agree that all sin will keep us out of heaven. We do not get to heaven on how much we love God but on how much He loves us and He loves all equally, unconditionally. Why can’t we start doing the same instead of bringing up the same topic over and over again?

newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm

I’m fairly certain that under the teaching of the Catholic Church, any person with with a Mortal sin on their soul is in danger of Hellfire.

I know it’s not the nicest way of wording things, but it’s the reality of it.

I wish what you were saying was true, but unfortunately it’s not. I wish everybody could make it to heaven by the mere fact of how much God loves us all, but unfortunately that’s not the case.

We have free will, we can screw things over for ourselves, and we can do so royally.

 

[hasikelee]

I respect the rights to call it a sin. I also respect the rights to sin. I just don’t agree that all sin will keep us out of heaven. We do not get to heaven on how much we love God but on how much He loves us and He loves all equally, unconditionally. Why can’t we start doing the same instead of bringing up the same topic over and over again?

God is always stretching His hands out to us, but He gave us free will.

God doesn’t cast people into hell, people choose hell over God and that is their freedom.

It’s hard to accept this logic because it means you have to take responsibility for your actions and decisions in life, instead of blaming it on fate, deity or bad luck.

 

[ablaifall]

Not about homosexuality, but “gay marriage”/“civil unions”

The government doesn’t condone/approve of marriage. All it can do is offer legal benefits. The most important ones that cannot be gained with civil legal documents (e.g. wills, living wills, powers of attorney, etc.) are tax cuts, tax credits, and social security benefits. These are generally provided to heterosexual couples because they are most likely to reproduce and this social unit needs to be protected and encouraged for the benefit of the government.

Gay couples are generally the wealthiest of all couplings, i.e. with the most disposable income. Thus, in general, gay couples have the least need of the financial benefits of civil marriage. “Gay marriage” is nothing more than a tax cut for the rich.

 

[Exalt]

Gay couples are generally the wealthiest of all couplings, i.e. with the most disposable income. Thus, in general, gay couples have the least need of the financial benefits of civil marriage. “Gay marriage” is nothing more than a tax cut for the rich.

I think we should stop giving tax breaks to white people because white people in general make more money than any other racial group.

 

[Sonic]

Not about homosexuality, but “gay marriage”/“civil unions”

The government doesn’t condone/approve of marriage. All it can do is offer legal benefits. The most important ones that cannot be gained with civil legal documents (e.g. wills, living wills, powers of attorney, etc.) are tax cuts, tax credits, and social security benefits. These are generally provided to heterosexual couples because they are most likely to reproduce and this social unit needs to be protected and encouraged for the benefit of the government.

Gay couples are generally the wealthiest of all couplings, i.e. with the most disposable income. Thus, in general, gay couples have the least need of the financial benefits of civil marriage. “Gay marriage” is nothing more than a tax cut for the rich.

Since “Gay” refers to members of the Gay Pride political movement… and not just people with same sex attractions who commit homosexual acts…

I totally agree with you!!!

 

[pathia]

Pathia, your job right now is to find a way to establish your sexual identity scientifically and to get ecclesiastical recognition of that identity.

Playing the victim (because you were born inter-sexed) and blaming the church doesn’t solve the situation. Take some responsibility in this matter and do what you can to try and establish you gender.

I’ve gotten my answers from the medical community. The Church did not accept them as valid enough. To gain any more refinement from the medical community would cost several dozen thousand dollars in tests. Since the medical community has established what I am within their eyes, insurance will not cover any additional testing.

 

[Abbadon]

homosexuality is genetic. Homosexuals were accepted 500 years ago, they then no longer pass on thier DNA, then homosexuality would be extinct. BUT it wasnt so homosexuals had children and continued to propegate there genetic blueprint…

If people say homosexuality is unnatural. How come on the discovery channel (on a documentary about sex customs of animals) they featured a male, male, female goose couple. And also gay chimpanzees. This is apart of nature and something that is found naturally in nature is therefore natural is it not?

People who have discovery in Aus might have seen it in the last couple of weeks.

Question to Pathia
What “are” you and why does it affect weather you get married or not? Why don’t you go tell everyone to jump in a lake and marry the person you love?

 

[Abbadon]

The basic building block of a civilised society is the family unit; Mother, Father, and Children.

If you mess with the family unit, you are messing with civilisation. How selfish!

The family unit and civilization is different depending on where and when. From memory in the bible’s past there are quite a few instances where it was Father, Children, Mother, Mother, Mother, Maid, Mother and Mother. Also in several Islamic societies it is also like that. The past of china (a very old an in its past a very successful civilization, and even becoming so now) was similar as well. Ghengis Khan and freinds, they did end up ruling half the world.