Can SSPX members receive communion in other Catholic Churches?

[Claire_from_DE]

that’s funny… it seems like you’re either assuming the rest of us liars, since we’ve been posting what the Pope says for a looooooooong time now, or you’ve never participated in another thread on this forum before, which I suppose is possible. But thank goodness you believe rpp.

It doesn’t fail to amaze me that people would post information, and insist on it, when they, as you have admitted, didn’t have all the facts. I’ve made some doosies myself. But I have always admitted it and taken responsibility for it. And apologized to those I offended. I’m just saying…

maurin,

I have participated in other threads on this forum but not on this topic so I wasn’t aware of what you have been posting for such a long long time.(You must be sooo frustrated by now but hey somebody’s got to slap down those stupid people who ask questions.) The OP wanted to find out what the Holy See’s position is on SSPX members receiving communion in other Catholic churches. The question caught my attention since I was interested to know the answer.

You, being one who does ‘have all the facts’, were not kind enough to give an unambiguous answer to the question. Therefore the thread became speculation based on the facts that we did know about what the Holy Father has said. You still didn’t share your expertise with us or even refer us to a former thread where you had done so. rpp finally answered the original question in post #42.

There are people who come to this forum looking for information or to try to puzzle out the truth of a situation. My previous contact with people who seek out a SSPX mass has been with those who are sedevacantists and deny the validity of the OF and of Vatican II. They won’t even attend a TLM unless the priest was ordained by someone who was a bishop prior to Vatican II. For all I knew, most of the people who are attracted by the SSPX might be in that category.

But it seems the TLM is only available in some parts of the country from priests of the SSPX. Who knew? Well, maybe rpp did and he was the only one willing to instruct the ignorant about what the pope actually said about attending SSPX masses. So the faithful are permitted to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending a SSPX mass but they are encouraged to attend mass in a regular parish. Say, that’s kind of like an indult. And as long as they avoid a schismatic mindset everything is hunky dory, no sin, no problem with receiving communion in regular Catholic churches.

This forum is just so much fun.:banghead:

 

[maurin]

maurin,

I have participated in other threads on this forum but not on this topic so I wasn’t aware of what you have been posting for such a long long time.(You must be sooo frustrated by now but hey somebody’s got to slap down those stupid people who ask questions.) The OP wanted to find out what the Holy See’s position is on SSPX members receiving communion in other Catholic churches. The question caught my attention since I was interested to know the answer.

You, being one who does ‘have all the facts’, were not kind enough to give an unambiguous answer to the question. Therefore the thread became speculation based on the facts that we did know about what the Holy Father has said. You still didn’t share your expertise with us or even refer us to a former thread where you had done so. rpp finally answered the original question in post #42.

There are people who come to this forum looking for information or to try to puzzle out the truth of a situation. My previous contact with people who seek out a SSPX mass has been with those who are sedevacantists and deny the validity of the OF and of Vatican II. They won’t even attend a TLM unless the priest was ordained by someone who was a bishop prior to Vatican II. For all I knew, most of the people who are attracted by the SSPX might be in that category.

But it seems the TLM is only available in some parts of the country from priests of the SSPX. Who knew? Well, maybe rpp did and he was the only one willing to instruct the ignorant about what the pope actually said about attending SSPX masses. So the faithful are permitted to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending a SSPX mass but they are encouraged to attend mass in a regular parish. Say, that’s kind of like an indult. And as long as they avoid a schismatic mindset everything is hunky dory, no sin, no problem with receiving communion in regular Catholic churches.

This forum is just so much fun.:banghead:

Have you always found that the best defense against your own shortcomings is a good offense? Actually, setting up strawmen isn’t even a good offense. Nor is refusing to take responsibility for your own errors.

You can spin what you’ve done here any way you’d like, Claire, but most people here have read the conversation.

If you prefer participating in conversations without substantiating your inaccuracies when called upon to do, that’s your business–and noone else’s fault.

 

[Glenoy]

Does anyone know the Holy See’s position on this ?

I don’t know the official position of the Holy See on this matter. They were considered before as an outsider. But perhaps and/or more likely we can find the answer by reading the decree lifting the excommunication of the SSPX. They are now considered part of the flock, inside the fence of the Roman Catholic Church.

So therefore, to declare whether SSPX members( I understand you mean sspx church goer here) can receive communion in other churches is no longer necessary.

 

[pnewton]

I don’t know the official position of the Holy See on this matter.

While this question has never been addressed per se, as baptized Catholics, they would be under the same canon law as all other Catholics. Unless they are in a state of mortal sin, then they can. If none of the rank and file have been excommunicated (and none have that I have heard of), then it is up to the individual to determine if they are in a state of mortal sin for some reason, the same as all who receive communion.

 

[n4mgr]

I don’t know the official position of the Holy See on this matter. They were considered before as an outsider. But perhaps and/or more likely we can find the answer by reading the decree lifting the excommunication of the SSPX. They are now considered part of the flock, inside the fence of the Roman Catholic Church.

So therefore, to declare whether SSPX members( I understand you mean sspx church goer here) can receive communion in other churches is no longer necessary.

This is wrong. It has ALWAYS been stated that this is an INTERNAL matter and not dealing with a splinter group. The only people who claim such are schismatic modernist who desire not reconciliation but alienation for the Society. Many lay people have picked up on the attitude of the schismatic N.O. Bishops and because of their suppossed unity with Rome have felt that the N.O. Bishops were right, even though not Romes attitude. The documents from the Ecclesia Dei commission prove this. They have said for some time that SSPX masses are valid, they have said for some time that Catholics MAY fulfill their Sunday obligation by assisting at a SSPX said Mass. You folks can say what you like but in the end, Rome doesn’t support your polemics and you border on schism yourself. Tradition was NEVER excommunicated and Vatican 2 was NEVER meant to abrogate anything that came before it. If you would read the Council of Trent and Vatican 1 you may learn something. Also, the anathemas from Trent still stand so you may need to go to confession if you find yourself ipso facto excommunicated by a Council you refuse to believe.

 

[sparkielee]

maurin,

I have participated in other threads on this forum but not on this topic so I wasn’t aware of what you have been posting for such a long long time.(You must be sooo frustrated by now but hey somebody’s got to slap down those stupid people who ask questions.) The OP wanted to find out what the Holy See’s position is on SSPX members receiving communion in other Catholic churches. The question caught my attention since I was interested to know the answer.

You, being one who does ‘have all the facts’, were not kind enough to give an unambiguous answer to the question. Therefore the thread became speculation based on the facts that we did know about what the Holy Father has said. You still didn’t share your expertise with us or even refer us to a former thread where you had done so. rpp finally answered the original question in post #42.

There are people who come to this forum looking for information or to try to puzzle out the truth of a situation. My previous contact with people who seek out a SSPX mass has been with those who are sedevacantists and deny the validity of the OF and of Vatican II. They won’t even attend a TLM unless the priest was ordained by someone who was a bishop prior to Vatican II. For all I knew, most of the people who are attracted by the SSPX might be in that category.

But it seems the TLM is only available in some parts of the country from priests of the SSPX. Who knew? Well, maybe rpp did and he was the only one willing to instruct the ignorant about what the pope actually said about attending SSPX masses. So the faithful are permitted to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending a SSPX mass but they are encouraged to attend mass in a regular parish. Say, that’s kind of like an indult. And as long as they avoid a schismatic mindset everything is hunky dory, no sin, no problem with receiving communion in regular Catholic churches.

This forum is just so much fun.:banghead:

I’ve been having some fun with this forum and can’t wait to get another email saying someone replied to a thread I’m subscribing to. This question about the “SSPX members” receiving communion in other Catholic churches and its responses has made some interesting cyber conversation. I recall telling the priest that says our Tridentine Mass, an FSSP, about the time I attended a “Traditional Latin Mass” with my father and we found out it was SSPX doing it. The only concern that the FSSP priest expressed about attending such Masses is the schismatic thinking. He and I agreed that the communion my dad and I received was valid considering that the priests were validly ordained even against the Pope’s wishes. (That succession of St. Peter which both Archbishop Lefebvre and the bishops who remained under the Pope belong to.)

-sparkie:thumbsup:

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Have you always found that the best defense against your own shortcomings is a good offense? Actually, setting up strawmen isn’t even a good offense. Nor is refusing to take responsibility for your own errors.

You can spin what you’ve done here any way you’d like, Claire, but most people here have read the conversation.

If you prefer participating in conversations without substantiating your inaccuracies when called upon to do, that’s your business–and noone else’s fault.

Poor maurin, you still just don’t get it.

I said if something another poster has written is true, then these other things would logically follow. Then you, who obviously knew that the pope had said a Catholic may fulfill his Sunday obligation at a SSPX mass and could have given the citation, amused yourself by spinning my words into something I didn’t say and attacking. As you say, most people here have read the conversation.

 

[MeekoFan]

I was told by my priest that while the SSPX Masses are technically acceptable, repeated attendance over time is a near occasion of sin since you will be exposed to much of the ideology that is foreign to our Church (e.g. the perception of Ordinary Form Masses as ‘poison’ etc.)

In short, he had gently suggested that I had left the Church and I had better confess that just to be on the safe side.

 

[Glenoy]

Originally Posted by Glenoy
I don’t know the official position of the Holy See on this matter. They were considered before as an outsider. But perhaps and/or more likely we can find the answer by reading the decree lifting the excommunication of the SSPX. They are now considered part of the flock, inside the fence of the Roman Catholic Church.

So therefore, to declare whether SSPX members( I understand you mean sspx church goer here) can receive communion in other churches is no longer necessary.

This is wrong. It has ALWAYS been stated that this is an INTERNAL matter and not dealing with a splinter group. The only people who claim such are schismatic modernist who desire not reconciliation but alienation for the Society. Many lay people have picked up on the attitude of the schismatic N.O. Bishops and because of their suppossed unity with Rome have felt that the N.O. Bishops were right, even though not Romes attitude. The documents from the Ecclesia Dei commission prove this. They have said for some time that SSPX masses are valid, they have said for some time that Catholics MAY fulfill their Sunday obligation by assisting at a SSPX said Mass. You folks can say what you like but in the end, Rome doesn’t support your polemics and you border on schism yourself. Tradition was NEVER excommunicated and Vatican 2 was NEVER meant to abrogate anything that came before it. If you would read the Council of Trent and Vatican 1 you may learn something. Also, the anathemas from Trent still stand so you may need to go to confession if you find yourself ipso facto excommunicated by a Council you refuse to believe.

Reading your comment above I can’t see how come you say my reply is wrong. Whether there was really an excommunication or not is unnecessary to tell since the question raised by Seamus L concerns the current status of the SSPX. That’s why I said “they were considered before as an outsider”. But thankfully there was a lifting of the excommunication. So they are now one with the church. (But wait, I’m not saying they were once not one with the Catholic Church).

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I was told by my priest that while the SSPX Masses are technically acceptable, repeated attendance over time is a near occasion of sin since you will be exposed to much of the ideology that is foreign to our Church (e.g. the perception of Ordinary Form Masses as ‘poison’ etc.)

In short, he had gently suggested that I had left the Church and I had better confess that just to be on the safe side.

What was your response?

 

[MeekoFan]

I hustled down to the confessional!

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I hustled down to the confessional!

I bet that answer is one you need to confess.

 

[maurin]

Poor maurin, you still just don’t get it.

I said if something another poster has written is true, then these other things would logically follow. .

No Claire, you didn’t. You’re saying it now. But you might have a great carreer ahead of you in politics!

Had you made that distinction 2 or three days ago–which a person of good will would have done, this thread would have been much shorter.

You may get in your last licks. I’m done with you.

 

[pnewton]

Many lay people have picked up on the attitude of the schismatic N.O. Bishops and because of their suppossed unity with Rome have felt that the N.O. Bishops were right, even though not Romes attitude.

What are the schismatic NO bishops that you are referring to?

 

[Kielbasi]

Does anyone know the Holy See’s position on this ?

Well, the Holy See hasn’t excommunicated lay SSPX followers- so why not, provided they are otherwise eligible to receive?

But how about SSPX followers who were baptized into an SSPX chapel and don’t have a Catholic background or sacramental history with any Catholic diocese? Are those individuals considered to be Catholics at all? It would seem if the answer is “no” for those people if they aren’t Catholic.

 

[maurin]

Well, the Holy See hasn’t excommunicated lay SSPX followers- so why not, provided they are otherwise eligible to receive?

But how about SSPX followers who were baptized into an SSPX chapel and don’t have a Catholic background or sacramental history with any Catholic diocese? Are those individuals considered to be Catholics at all? It would seem if the answer is “no” for those people if they aren’t Catholic.

You say “it would seem…” and then you proceed to imply (or did I infer?) that these children aren’t Catholic.

Could you back this up with some kind of proof for your conclusions? Or did you mean to say that you don’t know the answer and you are speculating?

 

[rpp]

Well, the Holy See hasn’t excommunicated lay SSPX followers- so why not, provided they are otherwise eligible to receive?

But how about SSPX followers who were baptized into an SSPX chapel and don’t have a Catholic background or sacramental history with any Catholic diocese? Are those individuals considered to be Catholics at all? It would seem if the answer is “no” for those people if they aren’t Catholic.

Being Catholic is more than just having your copies of baptismal and confirmation certificates filed in the diocesan archives. Secondly, how can you say that SSPX is not Catholic? You will need to provide some support for your premises. Until you do, your conclusion cannot be considered accurate.

 

[sparkielee]

Being Catholic is more than just having your copies of baptismal and confirmation certificates filed in the diocesan archives. Secondly, how can you say that SSPX is not Catholic? You will need to provide some support for your premises. Until you do, your conclusion cannot be considered accurate.

I think the SSPX is “more Catholic” than a lot of Catholics I know who have been baptised and confirmed in the churches that have NO Masses. The SSPX values are very Catholic, but a lot of the Catholics I’ve seen in the Roman Catholic churches have their own ideas about how the church should be run and their own beliefs-in other words “cafeteria Catholics” or “Roman Protestants.”

Being Roman Catholic and open minded-to some degree-I don’t feel like I’m anti-Vatican II despite the fact that my beliefs are traditional in many ways. I feel that I should be open to some change without getting rid of the things that were so good about the Church. Instead of speaking against Vatican II I want to continue to accept and appreciate the good things about it without “throwing out the baby with the bathwater.”

I’m really glad we have a Tridentine Mass in one of the Roman Catholic parishes that I can get to so I can go to such a Mass without hearing that Vatican II “can go jump in the lake!” When I’m living in an area where I’d have to choose between NO/vernacular Masses and SSPX Masses I’ll “worry” about that then. But for now I’m in the right place and think there will be more Tridentine Masses in the Roman church than there is now.

-sparkie

 

[Abenadar]

To answer the OP:

YES, SSPX parishioners can receive communion in other Catholic churches.

 

[MeekoFan]

To answer the OP:

YES, SSPX parishioners can receive communion in other Catholic churches.

All due respect, but this conflicts with what I was told by my parish priest. The OP better contact his/her parish priest for clarification.