I don’t know why you believe that the censure has been lifted. It has not. Are you suggesting that the Pope believed that there was no infallibility and suicide is o.k. It is more than likely that the Pope helped in the censure.
If you can’t believe scripture on where Jesus was born, how can you believe it when it says Jesus rose from the dead. You know that wasn’t necessary to our salvation only His death but you can’t rely on scripture for that either.
As to the jealousy… theologians aren’t immune to human nature… and I can see how a young upstart getting a whole lot of attention, and esteem, for new ideas - or a cogent fleshing-out of old ideas - would be a cause for an undercurrent of jealousy, leading to derogatory statements. And those things have influence on us. Sort of like when I was Evangelical Protestant, and all the mentions of Catholics and their beliefs were derogatory. It was natural for me to assume that Catholicism was not anything to investigate with such an overwhelming consensus of opinion that Catholicism was riddled with error. So I was influenced* not *by good arguments against Catholicism, but instead, by CONSTANT undercurrent of opinion that it was definitely wrong. When you hear it everywhere, you figure it must be true. And there were so many other GREAT places to learn about God and Christianity that were not derided, who needed Catholicism?As for Scott Hahn, I just don’t care for his work, but I see nothing wrong with him as a person. I think he’s honest and loves the Church, and he’s probably a good teacher. I just don’t like his books, but that’s fine. No one can please everyone, and Scott Hahn can do without me as a reader. He has enough as it is. I’m sure he has enriched the lives of many, and that’s good. I’m just not one, and as I said, that’s fine, too. I don’t think any of the professors at my school are jealous of Scott Hahn. Some could write if they wanted to. Some have written scholarly textbooks. They seem happy enough teaching, and jealousy is not something a theologian cultivates. I know you know that.
Well, they don’t sound like a bad lot!
Nice Eliza I love hearing conversion stories which started with my father. Everyone at my parish loves Scott. I love hearing about him. I love hearing him speak. I haven’t got into his books. I am struggling with Warren Carroll’s history books. “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant” that was true with Carroll as his studies in history converted him.Scott Hahn will always hold a dear place in my heart, because from a place of being perfectly satisfied with my place in Christianity (what more could yuou ever need than Jesus and your Bible?), I stumbled on his and his wife’s book, Rome Sweet Home, and, thinking his arguments would certainly be easy enough to dismiss, I was instead presented with unwelcome, really cogent arguments for Catholicism. It was really unsettling, as I loved my faith-alone, Bible-alone Christianity, and my dear church community. I wanted very much to have not read what I had just read, since I could not get it out of my mind. I eventually took his challenge and read (parts of) Boettner’s book and all of Karl Keating’s Catholicism and Fundamentalism, which led me to Catholic truth, which is where I had to go (just a little bit reluctantly at first!).
Well, they don’t sound like a bad lot!
This makes sense, and I agree. To me, the Nazareth-birth theory is a faith-killer. Also to others, like Jews expecting the prophesied Messiah born in Bethlehem. Jesus born in Nazareth would be all the proof they need to say He is not the Messiah, i.e. Which is a good reason to believe the Word on this. So naturally, you and I and most other faithful Christians agree Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea. The House of Bread.
), in the order of things, if Lily says that it does not affect her faith, then, this is acceptable.
Glad you like it! I love conversion stories, too! Or any story of how God worked in people’s lives. He is the perfect Teacher, the perfect Lover, and I love to see the different ways He works in different people!
It must be a good parish! You said you were happy at it.
Well Rome Sweet Home is a very interesting start and a quick read. I also happened to read and recommend First Comes Love and The Lamb’s Supper. But I don’t think I have ever read anything he wrote or listened to him speak without feeling like my mind was expanded (and raised).
Yes! It was in the thirties when he noticed his neighbor no matter what the weather walked to Church. I do not know how far but I take it was miles. It so impressed him that he converted.
That is edifying to hear of. A silent but powerful witness.
Yes. And I think I will post it on the fridge, or in my bathroom…
Me Too!That is edifying to hear of. A silent but powerful witness.
Yes. And I think I will post it on the fridge, or in my bathroom…
Jesus was born on the 25th of December, or (Chislev or Kislev), during the Feast of the Lights" (Chanukah or Ḥanukah). A feast celebrated with lights in those days as we celebrate it today with lights. And not one is going to convince me otherwise.
I have read some of Hahn’s work. It’s in line with Church teaching. He’s just not my cup of tea, I guess, but that doesn’t mean he’s not the right cup of tea for many others. I think it’s lovely that he and his work hold a dear place in your heart. I have authors like that, too. Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, and Meister Eckhart. Moving forward a little, Thomas Merton’s earlier books before he became so enamored of Eastern religions. I know a lot of people who can’t stand Thomas Merton, though, even his early work, which was very orthodox.Thanks for explaining, Lily, and the apology. I can overstate things too when I am tired.
As to the jealousy… theologians aren’t immune to human nature… and I can see how a young upstart getting a whole lot of attention, and esteem, for new ideas - or a cogent fleshing-out of old ideas - would be a cause for an undercurrent of jealousy, leading to derogatory statements. And those things have influence on us. Sort of like when I was Evangelical Protestant, and all the mentions of Catholics and their beliefs were derogatory. It was natural for me to assume that Catholicism was not anything to investigate with such an overwhelming consensus of opinion that Catholicism was riddled with error. So I was influenced* not *by good arguments against Catholicism, but instead, by CONSTANT undercurrent of opinion that it was definitely wrong. When you hear it everywhere, you figure it must be true. And there were so many other GREAT places to learn about God and Christianity that were not derided, who needed Catholicism?
In a way, you may have experienced the same sort of thing, if there was any undercurrent of sidelining Hahn’s work in favor of the classic greats. You might in fact be surprised if you read Hahn’s work at what you missed by passing it over.
Scott Hahn will always hold a dear place in my heart, because from a place of being perfectly satisfied with my place in Christianity (what more could yuou ever need than Jesus and your Bible?), I stumbled on his and his wife’s book, Rome Sweet Home, and, thinking his arguments would certainly be easy enough to dismiss, I was instead presented with unwelcome, really cogent arguments for Catholicism. It was really unsettling, as I loved my faith-alone, Bible-alone Christianity, and my dear church community. I wanted very much to have not read what I had just read, since I could not get it out of my mind. I eventually took his challenge and read (parts of) Boettner’s book and all of Karl Keating’s Catholicism and Fundamentalism, which led me to Catholic truth, which is where I had to go (just a little bit reluctantly at first!).
Well, they don’t sound like a bad lot!
That’s a valid question, adrift.
I would agree with you on the change in the apostles but again I have to trust the scriptures.
I think that’s a good idea, adrift, and I would never fault you for doing so.
They not only want to prove it wrong, they mock it and using ridiculous logic, make fun of believers calling us names not worth repeating here. The first step they do is to cast doubt. Some of us, whose faith may not be as strong would be lead astray by their logic. For us silence is not a good defense if we are trying to prevent potential lost sheep. How do they do that?