Can the Catholic Church compete with more positive, entertaining evangelization?

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Yesterday a friend invited me to her church which was protestant. We had a great time with the music, people, and the evangelist that spoke. I am not sorry I went–it is always great to worship with friends. However, I love being Catholic–it makes the most sense to me. 🙂 I would never change to another religion–the Catholic Church is where I belong.

I don’t think we should evangelize. It felt like they are only being nice to me so that I would change to their religion. They also rewarded people for bringing more people to the meeting. It just doesn’t seem right to me–maybe I have been a Catholic too long? lol But seriously, who would think attending a protestant church would make me think “I love being Catholic”? I am sure that was not the goal of the people in the protestant church that I attended! lol
Wow, so they had some kind of “new member referral incentive program?” At the health club I attend, we can get free personal training or some such when someone we refer joins up. Well, that kind of thing might have been acceptable in the Middle Ages but of course, there was nobody to refer then, since everybody was already Catholic.
 
The Catholic churches that I have seen attempting to compete with the Entertainment churches have failed miserably. We don’t need to compete. We need to commit 100 percent to being Catholic, and live the faith in every aspect of our lives with every fiber of our beings. The sacred mysteries present in a single Mass are enough to make the most spectacular mega-church extravaganza look like one of those 50-cent horse rides you get outside the Shop-n-Save. Jesus present in the Eucharist, Saints and Angels worshiping with us, the removal of sins and grace received… this is literally “on Earth as it is in Heaven.”

Our job is to treat it with the reverence and awe it deserves and to make the Truth known to others. Then the fog machines and big-screen TVs will be seen for what they really are: a big fat zero.
 
Hi!

Yesterday a friend invited me to her church which was protestant. We had a great time with the music, people, and the evangelist that spoke. I am not sorry I went–it is always great to worship with friends. However, I love being Catholic–it makes the most sense to me. 🙂 I would never change to another religion–the Catholic Church is where I belong.

I don’t think we should evangelize. It felt like they are only being nice to me so that I would change to their religion. They also rewarded people for bringing more people to the meeting. It just doesn’t seem right to me–maybe I have been a Catholic too long? lol But seriously, who would think attending a protestant church would make me think “I love being Catholic”? I am sure that was not the goal of the people in the protestant church that I attended! lol
👍 Our Lord, His Church are Our Reward, imo. You’re right-on. Maybe you can invite some of them to Mass, and tell them It’s Our Lord’s Last Supper Feast and Eucharist He told our Apostles to do In His Remembrance

Not many know this, but Everything Catholic is Biblical, Nothing Contrary. The reason we have the Crucifix is because We Were There, and want to Remember What Our Lord did for The World.
 
Protestants are seeing the great difficulty maintaining the “high” from the entertainment, coffee shops. The fall offs and migrations away are steep. Lots of Protestant churches are playing the “one upsmanship” game with little sustaining effect.

Surprising for some - but not for others - is that Catholic parishes that put the Eucharist front and center have either steady attendance or, depending on their prior state, fantastic growth rates. And this liveliness is seen not just in church attendance but in burgeoning ministries during the week. A parish that generously seeks the Eucharist - is unavoidably affected.

If a parish wants such lividness…the steps are obvious and well known.

    • Perpetual adoration chapel. Or substantial, regular periods of Adoration. Publicizing these helps. But the Word will spread ( :>).
    • More periods of Confession. none of this “by appointment” nonsense.
    • More and earlier daily Mass. A 0900 daily Mass only gets the retirees and the devout Moms.
    • More adult formation. Tough stuff. How to be a better husband. How to maintain marital chastity. How to father like St Joseph. Same subjects for women.
    • Good high school formation.
    • Eucharistic processions…followed by a fish fry.
    • Encourage Marian devotions. Rosary night…followed by a short social (or not : >)
    Pope Benedict XVI said in response to a reporters question about how the Catholic Church can become more attractive to others, responded with this incredibly wise statement:

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                                                                                                     Please  don't  demean  your  otherwise  great  post  by  "Fish Fry"   and  "Short  Social"  in  #7 and   6;  Devout  Catholics  Never  do  such 'new  ideas' nor  do  proper  Parishes/Pastors.       We're  not  'new  men's   ideas'  of   Enterrtainment  Socials.  Our    Parish  Lives    all  the best ideas   Fully,  Because of Our Pastor:   "*Sanctifying,  Evangelizing  and  Catechizing  a    parish*":  October  2010 Homiletic  and Pastoral  Review,  by  my  Pastor.                                                                                                   CCD  for  grade  school  children is  very important  also,  not  just  waiting til  High  School  years.  Middle  School  years  are the Most Important ones  to  CCD/"Form".
 
Hi, This is only my second post since becoming a forum member. I led the singing and music for over ten years in a non-denominational church, and was minister of music in a Southern Baptist church for the last five years. I am now, by God’s grace soon to be received into the Catholic Church. I have no regrets! When I was a " worship leader" I noticed a very obvious tendency in most Protestant, evangelical churches when it came to the music ministry, and very often in the preaching as well. Many times the music and singing was very man centered rather than God centered. It was meant to entertain the flesh instead of edifying the spirit. It was designed to make one feel good instead of drawing their attention to God. I was part of this deception for a while, until the Lord opened my eyes to the truth and beauty of the Catholic faith. I remember one Sunday in particular. The worship band of which I was a part of, consisted of four singers, lead guitar, acoustic guitar, bass, keyboards, and a drummer. We were leading the congregation in of all things, a song written by Bob Dylan called " Saved". It was a fast driving rock song. Suddenly, nearly the entire congregation jumped up and started dancing in the aisles! If you didn’t know that this was supposed to be a worship service, you’d have thought it was a rock concert! At the end of the service I heard a visitor say, " I’ll come back every week if you’ll play Bob Dylan. I was so convicted by the Holy Spirit. Where was the Word of God in this? How was Christ glorified in this? He wasn’t. You’ve al heard the old saying," If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." The Catholic Church isn’t broke! We don’t have to use the world’s methods to win people to Christ. We don’t have to entertain. Nothing can replace the truth of the Word of God, the Sacrements, and the Apostolic faith once delivered to the saints.
Insightful points, well said. Thank you for this posting.
 
Hi, This is only my second post since becoming a forum member. I led the singing and music for over ten years in a non-denominational church, and was minister of music in a Southern Baptist church for the last five years. I am now, by God’s grace soon to be received into the Catholic Church. I have no regrets! When I was a " worship leader" I noticed a very obvious tendency in most Protestant, evangelical churches when it came to the music ministry, and very often in the preaching as well. Many times the music and singing was very man centered rather than God centered. It was meant to entertain the flesh instead of edifying the spirit. It was designed to make one feel good instead of drawing their attention to God. I was part of this deception for a while, until the Lord opened my eyes to the truth and beauty of the Catholic faith. I remember one Sunday in particular. The worship band of which I was a part of, consisted of four singers, lead guitar, acoustic guitar, bass, keyboards, and a drummer. We were leading the congregation in of all things, a song written by Bob Dylan called " Saved". It was a fast driving rock song. Suddenly, nearly the entire congregation jumped up and started dancing in the aisles! If you didn’t know that this was supposed to be a worship service, you’d have thought it was a rock concert! At the end of the service I heard a visitor say, " I’ll come back every week if you’ll play Bob Dylan. I was so convicted by the Holy Spirit. Where was the Word of God in this? How was Christ glorified in this? He wasn’t. You’ve al heard the old saying," If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." The Catholic Church isn’t broke! We don’t have to use the world’s methods to win people to Christ. We don’t have to entertain. Nothing can replace the truth of the Word of God, the Sacrements, and the Apostolic faith once delivered to the saints.
Hi,
That was well presented!
 
Please don’t demean your otherwise great post by “Fish Fry” and “Short Social” in #7 and 6; Devout Catholics Never do such ‘new ideas’ nor do proper Parishes/Pastors. We’re not ‘new men’s ideas’ of Enterrtainment Socials. Our Parish Lives all the best ideas Fully, Because of Our Pastor: “Sanctifying, Evangelizing and Catechizing a parish”: October 2010 Homiletic and Pastoral Review, by my Pastor. CCD for grade school children is very important also, not just waiting til High School years. Middle School years are the Most Important ones to CCD/“Form”.
CCD and other means of formation are available in every single parish I’ve visited.

What distinguishes great parishes…is solid, substantial, stretchy formation for adults.
 
CCD and other means of formation are available in every single parish I’ve visited.

What distinguishes great parishes…is solid, substantial, stretchy formation for adults.
👍👍 My and local Parishes too. And we draw Numbers of newbies, new Parishioners. 3 new Vocations just mentioned informally recently; I spoke with 2 Sunday.
 
Does the Truth not matter as much as feeling good?
As a convert, being a member of the true Church is what makes me feel good. Maybe I’m overly emotional, but throughout Mass, I often find myself with goose bumps or teary eyes. There is so much depth and beauty in the history and traditions of the Catholic Church. Too bad that so many fail to appreciate it.
 
As a convert, being a member of the true Church is what makes me feel good. Maybe I’m overly emotional, but throughout Mass, I often find myself with goose bumps or teary eyes. There is so much depth and beauty in the history and traditions of the Catholic Church. Too bad that so many fail to appreciate it.
:amen: Same here. It is The Lord Himself celebrating the Mass, and in Communion, Through the Priest; Not many know that.
 
“The Church needs more positive and entertaining evangelization?”

Have you been watching any of the coverage of World Youth Day? The message was incredibly positive and powerful–the need for conversion, and the response to the love of God by loving one’s neighbor in myriad ways. Real catechesis was done by many bishops, as well as by the Holy Father. The young folks were thrilled to be there, touched by the message. I watched coverage during Eucharistic Adoration last night, and the young people in rapt adoration, some wiping tears from their eyes, was an incredible sight.

I had sailed to Toronto from Oswego during WYD '02 (when the late Bl. JP II was there.) From our mooring on one of the Toronto islands, at one of the yacht clubs, you could hear the cheering and general jubilation wafting over the water. Believe me, it sounded like they had at least a combination of Woodstock-Super Bowl-World Series going on in there! I doubt it would have sounded like that if the Pope was preaching on old fashioned, stereotypical, gloom and doom, thou shalt not themes.

If you look at the liturgical calendar of the Catholic Church, we have more feasts and observations than the rest of the Christian churches put together. Around here, a few ethnic groups celebrate their patron saint’s feast days with actual festivals, that are actually open to the public. And a member of the clergy (frequently the bishop or a monsignor,) is there to preach some basic truths and offer a blessing.

Personally, I’m a big fan of parish fish fry nights, Knights of Columbus spaghetti dinners, and the like:

a. Jesus Himself recognized the need of people to eat something–how about the miracle of the loaves and fishes?
b. They offer newcomers to parishes an opportunity to get to know other parishioners.
c. They offer an opportunity for the parish priest to mingle with people informally in an atmosphere of fellowship and friendship.

And I really think that getting back to things, especially public devotions, that highlight our identity as Catholics would help spread the joy of our faith, as well as the reason for that joy.
 
I attended a contemporary service in the Methodist Church. I still go back every now and then to connect with friends and it is also my kids’ church (they are young adults raised in that church) as I am newly coming into the Church. All I can say is I feel the presence of the Lord at Mass that I rarely felt even after many years as a church goer in the Methodist Church. I still enjoy the contemporary music but I get my fill now with Christian radio now- all I notice when I go back to my old church is how the big screens make the cross in the middle seem so small- the focus visually is no longer on the cross and I now find that distracting. I too am moved to tears at Mass- this is all so new and wonderful! And yes, I do agree with Tru Light that the music is part of the whole spiritual experience- I am still friends with people in the praise band and they are wonderful Godly people who truly have a ministry that I still love. It just doesn’t speak to me in quite the same way but I know in my old church it is not just entertainment and the Spirit does work there and I like to think that part of the journey is all part of what has brought me to where I am today as a believer and thank God for it. I also now thank God I am coming into His Church- so much more joy that I could have imagined.

Blessings,

Val
 
Unfortunately,in many protestant churches entertainment may take precedence over substance, with more emphasis placed on the quality of the speaker rather than what we should really be there for, and that is to worship the Lord.

Although there is no drum roll we usually have bells at the concecration of the host. I can’t think of anything more miracualous than transubstatition. When you think about how profound it is, it is mind boggling. We live in a society that wants the same atmsphere in church as that of a football game. I thinkk we need to educate folks more to what we are about rather than to provide a show for them.
 
Hi, This is only my second post since becoming a forum member. I led the singing and music for over ten years in a non-denominational church, and was minister of music in a Southern Baptist church for the last five years. I am now, by God’s grace soon to be received into the Catholic Church. I have no regrets! When I was a " worship leader" I noticed a very obvious tendency in most Protestant, evangelical churches when it came to the music ministry, and very often in the preaching as well. Many times the music and singing was very man centered rather than God centered. It was meant to entertain the flesh instead of edifying the spirit. It was designed to make one feel good instead of drawing their attention to God. I was part of this deception for a while, until the Lord opened my eyes to the truth and beauty of the Catholic faith. I remember one Sunday in particular. The worship band of which I was a part of, consisted of four singers, lead guitar, acoustic guitar, bass, keyboards, and a drummer. We were leading the congregation in of all things, a song written by Bob Dylan called " Saved". It was a fast driving rock song. Suddenly, nearly the entire congregation jumped up and started dancing in the aisles! If you didn’t know that this was supposed to be a worship service, you’d have thought it was a rock concert! At the end of the service I heard a visitor say, " I’ll come back every week if you’ll play Bob Dylan. I was so convicted by the Holy Spirit. Where was the Word of God in this? How was Christ glorified in this? He wasn’t. You’ve al heard the old saying," If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it." The Catholic Church isn’t broke! We don’t have to use the world’s methods to win people to Christ. We don’t have to entertain. Nothing can replace the truth of the Word of God, the Sacrements, and the Apostolic faith once delivered to the saints.
Thanks for sharing, wonderful words.

Welcome home, Celtic Believer!
 
My opinion may be slightly inaccurate because I’ve been to very few Catholic church so take it as you will.

My grandfather was a Church of Christ preacher. If you’re familiar with the sect they don’t believe in dancing, discourage loud behavior, and don’t even utilize musical instruments, however they are very involved in their congregations day to day life and offer so many ministry that everyone within the church is involved and take a serious interest in one anothers faith.

On another hand, when my mother did choose to go to Church she attended a very large Baptist churh, and while they are indeed more flashy with their projectors with hymn lyrics and musicians for praise and whorship, but while we attend it never seemed like an entertainment thing. Again, this church offered many ministries and despite being relatively large everyone was engaged with one another, tried their best to help others live their faith, and offered a ton of outreach programs.

I don’t wish for the Catholic Church to turn into a flashy form of religious entertainment, however I personally feel that the Church would draw in so many more people and have memembers much stronger in their faith if they emphasized more outreach programs for it’s Congregations. Offered a Woman’s study and prayer circle so that Catholic mothers can help one another and grow in their faith, a mens study to help encourage strong Catholic fathers, groups offering children and youth the chance to learn and live their faith.

Like I said I’ve not been to many Parishes so I don’t know if these things are more common than I think, but a lot of the post on here makes me think otherwise.
 
Humans generally seek to feel good and generally seek to avoid feeling badly. In our modern world of entertainment and customer service where the focus is always on making the individual feel good, how can our church of rules compete with all the feelgood messages? Some other churches seem to be “yes” churches that seem to offer enthusiasm and positivity, where our church seems more “thou shall not.” Should the church enlighten people to the difference? When it comes to forcing kids to go to school, people understand why the academic truths are important, but when it comes to faith, the truth seems to be becoming changed to grace, or feelgood positivity. Does the Truth not matter as much as feeling good? Or is Catholic Truth being discarded by some to fit pop culture’s dictates? DO most people care more about their feelings rather than truth? What would make people consider that they are following feelgood feelings rather than truth, and do people care to discern the difference?
Tell jokes, clean ones though. Catholics can be very funny people if they aren’t so uptight all the time, like me sometimes.
 
My opinion may be slightly inaccurate because I’ve been to very few Catholic church so take it as you will.

My grandfather was a Church of Christ preacher. If you’re familiar with the sect they don’t believe in dancing, discourage loud behavior, and don’t even utilize musical instruments, however they are very involved in their congregations day to day life and offer so many ministry that everyone within the church is involved and take a serious interest in one anothers faith.

On another hand, when my mother did choose to go to Church she attended a very large Baptist churh, and while they are indeed more flashy with their projectors with hymn lyrics and musicians for praise and whorship, but while we attend it never seemed like an entertainment thing. Again, this church offered many ministries and despite being relatively large everyone was engaged with one another, tried their best to help others live their faith, and offered a ton of outreach programs.

I don’t wish for the Catholic Church to turn into a flashy form of religious entertainment, however I personally feel that the Church would draw in so many more people and have memembers much stronger in their faith if they emphasized more outreach programs for it’s Congregations. Offered a Woman’s study and prayer circle so that Catholic mothers can help one another and grow in their faith, a mens study to help encourage strong Catholic fathers, groups offering children and youth the chance to learn and live their faith.

Like I said I’ve not been to many Parishes so I don’t know if these things are more common than I think, but a lot of the post on here makes me think otherwise.
Hi, Bporte. Many posters here are Asking, problem oriented, so not to worry. This worldwide CAF is very exciting, with innumerable threads. My rapidly growing 10 year old Parish has 70 organizations, very vibrant interraction and volunteerism. Our Outreach to all households is our Legion of Mary, 7 Praesidia, almsty 2 Million members every part of the globe. It is Parish Activitiies/groups that develop the fire of spirit. By Volunteering, working together, we are unified and a Draw to others.
 
Bporte, The 1.3 Billion Catholic Church Christ founded has the same Teachings Of Christ himself, through the Apostles now Magesterium; No Dogma or big changes in 2,000 years. The Last Supper Feast and Real Presence Eucharist Our Lord told the Apostles to do in His Remembrance is the Heart of The Church, since the Last Supper. To find out more, try free RCIA begining eveery Parish in September. The what’s and why’s are fascinating to discover, and all Real Bible Truths.
 
Tell jokes, clean ones though. Catholics can be very funny people if they aren’t so uptight all the time, like me sometimes.
When I was at small all-male engineering college in Terre Haute, some girls from Indiana State and St. Mary-of-the-Woods talked me into going to midnight Mass, held every Sunday morning at the ISU Catholic Student Center. It was great; the place they had the Mass couldn’t have been much over 1500 square feet; there were only maybe 30 attendees, but it was very warm and loving.

ISU had a talent show, and the CSC kids were going to don priest and nun robes and do a dance routine to “The Vatican Rag” by Tom Lehrer. I got to play piano for it. I’d never heard of the song before that, but it was great when the “priest” sang and the “nuns” danced and kicked.

I wish I could find another version I’ve heard with a slightly different intro which directly mentions VII and how he felt the need to make the liturgical music more “commercial.” Oh well, the one I linked above is still pretty good.

Alan
 
Churches grow not because of how the people act inside the church doors, but how they act OUTSIDE the church doors.

Entertainment and good speakers don’t matter, and frankly, neither do outer demonstrations of reverence (postures, costume, gestures, etc.) and practice of ancient traditions. Anyone can put on a good show.

**What matters is what kind of Christians come out of the church and what they do in their daily lives. **

Are they holy? And do they demonstrate in their daily lives by their ACTIONS, not just their words, their deep and true love for Christ and for their fellow man?

I’m a convert to Catholicism from evangelical Protestantism. Most of the churches I was involved in grew slowly and basically just maintained their numbers.

But at least two of the churches grew exponentially in a very short period of time. One of the churches actually doubled its numbers in just a few years.

The reason the church grew was because almost all of the members practiced an outgoing, active, practical LOVE, for the sake of Jesus, in our spheres of life.

We helped those who were in crisis. We helped the poor–we didn’t just give money to some organization, but we actually dug in and provided assistance. We took care of children for free and provided them with wonderful activities in and out of church. We visited the sick and brought meals to their families. We visited prisoners and provided them with whatever help they and their families needed. We provided good classes in not only religious topics, but also useful topics for teenagers. We had a lively and loving senior citizens group that sought out lonely elderly adults and brought them into the fellowship and gave them a new lease on life. We gave rides to people. We sponsored immigrants.

My husband and I were involved in a shepherding ministry and took young women in crisis pregnancies into our home. We didn’t have a fancy house by any means, but we opened our doors to those in need. We also gave housing to newly-arrived refugees from Viet Nam. And I took care of children for free of poor teenaged mothers so that they could finish high school. (I had two babies of my own at that time.)

Our pastor had been a missionary in Viet Nam throughout the Viet Nam war, and so he was recognized by all the news media in the city, and also by the university faculties (we had 18 colleges in our city) as an expert on Viet Nam–he spoke both Vietnamese and also one of the Montagnard languages. He was often a guest on local shows and panels about the war, and lots of people in the city knew him by sight. He was actively involved with helping Vietnamese and Montagnard refugees get settled and become self-sufficient in the United States.

Not all of the “good works” were so “big.” One of the families that ended up joining our church had experienced a terrible tragedy–both of the wife’s parents had died within 48 hours of each other (and they weren’t that old). Our church people went over to her house and helped with pretty much everything, including caring for her little ones while she made funeral arrangements. One of the things she said when she was giving testimony is that “God’s people even cleaned the nasty hair out of her shower drains!”

All of this sounds very organized, but it wasn’t. It was a spontaneous manifestion of the Holy Spirit’s work in Christians who allowed themselves to be used by God. It was amazing to be part of.

And it was astonishing how the church grew. Every week, dozens of people would show up, and when asked how they heard about the church, they would say, “I’ve seen how the people from this church love everyone, and I want to be part of that.” They would describe some loving action that someone they knew had done, and often, it was just some little thing (like the hair story), but it convinced them that this is where Jesus was to be found.

Yes, having great music in church is good. IMO, the Catholic Church excuses her ho-hum Mass music by clinging to the truth that we are the “Church that Jesus Christ founded” and that we offer Christ, Truly Present, in the Holy Mass." And that means that we don’t need that new-fangled good music, dag nabbit, because we’re not about entertainment, we’re about the Sacrifice of the Lord! And so there!

I disagree with part of that. Music is not entertainment, it’s prayer. And for the sake of Christ, Truly Present, Catholics should strive to have the BEST music, not be content with lackadaisical music in the Very Presence of the Christ. We’re just making an excuse for our musical mediocrity.

And good speakers are good, too. It’s too bad that more priests aren’t good homilists. But it’s amazing how people are willing to excuse a poor homilist IF he is a loving, kind, and generous man with a joyful countenance who obviously loves the Lord and other people. One of the priests in our city who died a few years ago attracted a huge crowd to his Masses, not because he was a good homilist, but because he literally gave away everything he had to the poor. His family (I know them) knew that any Christmas or birthday present that they gave him would be given away to someone else in need. THAT attracted a crowd at his parish!

It’s LOVE that grows a church. Music, good speakers, and other Mass extras do not attract people to church. What attracts people to church is when the Christians get down on their knees and clean hair out of shower drains and give their Christmas presents away to someone in greater need. We must LOVE our neighbors, not just with a “hi” and a wave, but with service and sacrifice.

When we do that, people will come to our churches because they will know that “that’s where Jesus is.”

I John 3: 16-19
 
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