Can the dead speak to us?

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Most people have different reasons for believing in immortality. Some believe in it on authority. Other on sheer hope. Some even appear to have communicated with the dead.

There is nothing in Catholic theology I know of that prohibits our believing we can communicate with the dead. And if we can, that is another reason to glorify and praise God.

Science, of course, wants nothing to do with such a notion. How can it be proven? Too many sham cases. No way to falsify. A money making scheme. Etc., etc.

But people have had experiences. There are those who claim to have had visions of Mary.
I’m interested in such experiences with the dead, if anyone here wants to share. I’ve had at least three occasions of my own to sit up and take notice.
  1. When a boy, I dreamed one night my great grandfather had died. I thought nothing of it, until the next day at lunch when I came home to hear my mother crying in the bedroom and a notice a telegram on the kitchen table. We lived 2,000 miles from my great grandfather.
  2. At about the age of fifty I was invited to attend a retirement function for one of my old college professors. I had frequently socialized with him and his wife when I was a student, but had not seen either of them in many years. Passing through the crowded lawn I noticed the wife appear to be anxious about the professor and she had a worried look on her face. I thought she looked fairly healthy, so I assumed it was his health she was concerned about. I later mentioned to one of men who had been a student with me that I thought the professor’s wife looked good. He stared at me oddly for a long moment and then moved away. Another former student of the professor mentioned to me in passing that the professor’s wife had died about ten years earlier.
  3. Several months before my mother died, she gave me the family mantle clock to put over my fireplace. The day she died I came home and noticed the clock had stopped. I went over to wind it up, and found that the dials were pointed to the approximate hour and minute she had died.
True, these are all anecdotal signs, pointing at least for me if for no one else, to the likelihood that something happens beyond the grave. I’m interested to know if any of you have been blessed with any such incidents of “proof,” or if you know of someone else who has.
 
No you CANNOT communicate with the dead despite what the diabolical would like you to think. Any spirit, unless it is God letting you see a soul in purgatory (in which case you would just ask for him to remove it) it is a demon. Necromancy is a mortal sin and an abomination to God, and a good way to get yourself diabolical oppressed, infested or possessed. Every wonder why new agers always find a little boy needing help? It is a temptation for them to commit a sin of conjuring the dead, and then the entity has them. Its goal is to get you to despair and commit suicide.

I know you are not doing this, but I wanted to say all this as bluntly as possible. There is no sugar coating in demonology.
 
When a boy, I dreamed one night my great grandfather had died. I thought nothing of it, until the next day at lunch when I came home to hear my mother crying in the bedroom and a notice a telegram on the kitchen table. We lived 2,000 miles from my great grandfather.
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That happened to me too. It is possible that in God’s infinite mercy he allows him to speak to you from purgatory. Or it might just be a physiological thing.
 
I was at the Hospital on Christmas Eve of 2008. I was standing next to my unresponsive husband , who was on a respirator and I was hesitant to leave. I wanted to wish him a Merry Christmas, but decided to pray to God when I got home, for a Christmas miracle on Christmas day, so I could tell him Merry Christmas when I went to see him that morning…

So, I told my husband I loved him and that I would see him tomorrow. I was ready to leave when all of a sudden the words; “Merry Christmas, honey,” came into my head. I was not going to say it until I saw my husband on Christmas Day. I never got to say Merry Christmas to him, because as I was leaving for the Hospital on Christmas Day, the phone rang. The Doctor told me to get there right away. I got there ASAP. And when I walked in, they were coding my husband.My husband died on Christmas Day, but I still do not know why those words stuck in my head. Maybe because we always read each others minds. I believe my husband was communicating with me, mentally, before he died.

Lmora
 
In my view, no. Whether or not the dead move on to another world or just rot in the ground, I think our knowledge of the universe (including other creatures such as people) is confined to the here and now. The people who claim to be able to talk to the dead are usually just hucksters good at cold reading and playing on the misery and grief of those whose loved ones have died.
 
Catholics claim to have seen visions of saints, most notably Mary (the Church has declared several of these “worthy of belief”, so the visions are treated very seriously), but also various “lesser” saints. Why, then, cannot any soul in Heaven appear to the faithful on earth? They all have, by necessity, the same state of purity and–let’s face it–they’re in Heaven, so they must have all the knowledge and grace that entails.
I suppose such a vision would fall into the realm of “private revelation” (see what I’ve learned around here?).

Regarding purgatory, I find it hard to imagine a soul in purgatory being able (or allowed) to appear on earth. If purgatory exists, it’s for a reason; presumably not so souls or spirits can go jet-setting about the physical world on a feel-good final lap.
 
Matthias123, you present a chilling thesis of demonic forces driving these images of the dead. But why (in the OP’s 2nd example) would a demon appear in the form of the professor’s late wife, and just hang about on the college lawn with a worried look on her face? What deviousness or evil is involved here, especially if the vision was only apparent to one guest who had no idea of the person’s death?
Just wondering how far the "evil spirit’ theory should be taken.
 
Greg

*In my view, no. Whether or not the dead move on to another world or just rot in the ground, I think our knowledge of the universe (including other creatures such as people) is confined to the here and now. **The people who claim to be able to talk to the dead are usually just hucksters *good at cold reading and playing on the misery and grief of those whose loved ones have died.

In none of the instances I related was there the possibility of a huckster influencing me. Also, I have never had any morbid interest in the occult, or even reading about it.

Matthias

There is no sugar coating in demonology.

Demonology? What harm could have been produced by my experiences? I haven’t made any pacts with the devil. When Jesus appeared to the disciples after his resurrection, to encourage their belief that he had not left them forever, was he appearing to them as a demon?

If anything, these experiences have reinforced in me the belief that our souls truly are immortal.
 
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Greg

*In my view, no. Whether or not the dead move on to another world or just rot in the ground, I think our knowledge of the universe (including other creatures such as people) is confined to the here and now. **The people who claim to be able to talk to the dead are usually just hucksters ***good at cold reading and playing on the misery and grief of those whose loved ones have died.

In none of the instances I related was there the possibility of a huckster influencing me. Also, I have never had any morbid interest in the occult, or even reading about it.

Matthias

There is no sugar coating in demonology.

Demonology? What harm could have been produced by my experiences? I haven’t made any pacts with the devil. When Jesus appeared to the disciples after his resurrection, to encourage their belief that he had not left them forever, was he appearing to them as a demon?

If anything, these experiences have reinforced in me the belief that our souls truly are immortal.
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I agree with you. I had a close friend that told me that when he went into his grandmothers house to see his grandmother, he looked at the clock and saw the time as 1:30.This is the time the clocked stopped. He looked all around for his relatives and did not see anyone there. He then, went to his mothers house next door and found out that his grandfather had died at 1:30. Instead of going straight to his mothers house, he went to see his grandmother, for some reason or other. This has nothing to do with demons.He was not into that stuff. And neither am I, when I got that message from my husband; “Merry Christmas, honey.” We just read each others minds because we were soul mates and knew what each one was thinking and feeling.

Lmora
 
I agree with you. I had a close friend that told me that when he went into his grandmothers house to see his grandmother, he looked at the clock and saw the time as 1:30.

I forgot to mention in my first post that not only had the dials on my mother’s clock stopped at almost the precise time of her death, but that when I wound the clock up, I found it was broken. Weeks later I took it to a clock smith who confirmed my account by adding that several of his customers had told him the same story of their clock breaking at the hour of a death in the family.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Most people have different reasons for believing in immortality. Some believe in it on authority. Other on sheer hope. Some even appear to have communicated with the dead.

There is nothing in Catholic theology I know of that prohibits our believing we can communicate with the dead. And if we can, that is another reason to glorify and praise God.

Science, of course, wants nothing to do with such a notion. How can it be proven? Too many sham cases. No way to falsify. A money making scheme. Etc., etc.

But people have had experiences. There are those who claim to have had visions of Mary.
I’m interested in such experiences with the dead, if anyone here wants to share. I’ve had at least three occasions of my own to sit up and take notice.
  1. When a boy, I dreamed one night my great grandfather had died. I thought nothing of it, until the next day at lunch when I came home to hear my mother crying in the bedroom and a notice a telegram on the kitchen table. We lived 2,000 miles from my great grandfather.
  2. At about the age of fifty I was invited to attend a retirement function for one of my old college professors. I had frequently socialized with him and his wife when I was a student, but had not seen either of them in many years. Passing through the crowded lawn I noticed the wife appear to be anxious about the professor and she had a worried look on her face. I thought she looked fairly healthy, so I assumed it was his health she was concerned about. I later mentioned to one of men who had been a student with me that I thought the professor’s wife looked good. He stared at me oddly for a long moment and then moved away. Another former student of the professor mentioned to me in passing that the professor’s wife had died about ten years earlier.
  3. Several months before my mother died, she gave me the family mantle clock to put over my fireplace. The day she died I came home and noticed the clock had stopped. I went over to wind it up, and found that the dials were pointed to the approximate hour and minute she had died.
True, these are all anecdotal signs, pointing at least for me if for no one else, to the likelihood that something happens beyond the grave. I’m interested to know if any of you have been blessed with any such incidents of “proof,” or if you know of someone else who has.
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This isn’t really a comforting one, but I was at the home of an aquaintance with several other friends and in the basement, got a really strong feeling of despair and emptiness. It was very disturbing, and later I found out that the guy’s brother, who had lived in the basement all his life, had blown his brains out several months before. He hadn’t died in that basement, however, but hundreds of miles away. One other person had said he felt it too, but only after I asked him. I never went over that guy’s house again, so I don’t know if that sensation would have still been there.

My grandmother, when she was close to death, knew my brother had been in a car accident though no one had told her (she was barely conscious and bed ridden).

On a stranger note, this has nothing to do with life after death,but my husband and I once shared the same dream-woke up at the same time and continued a conversation we had been having in the dream for several seconds before we realized how bizarre that was. It never happened again and we’ve never been able to figure out what it was all about.

Sorry if these are a bit off topic-they do point to something outside conventional knowledge to me, though to what I can’t say.
 
There have been a couple of other incidents with me, too. One was in June of 2008. I was at work and I got a call on my cell phone. It was my son. He said he had a weird feeling and I told him I did,too.

It was a feeling of doom. That is the best way I could describe this feeling. Anyway,in July (The same year 2008) I am out with my son. My husband calls me on my cell phone to say that I should get over to my cousins house, right away. I do not know how my husband knew, maybe he was listening to my father on the phone speaking to my aunt, but we rushed right over when he told me my cousin needed help.

When I got there my other cousin was standing outside crying. My cousin had just passed away.

In September of 2008, my mother passed away. A week later, my cousin’s husband passed away. And in December of 2008, my husband was admitted into a local hospital and three weeks later, he died. That was on Christmas Day.

These strange happenings do not always come in the form of a vision, or a feeling. They could be either or, or they could be both. How many times have we heard the story of someone knowing that the phone was going to ring , before it actually rang? Or who it was on the other end? This has nothing to do with demons. And the story of the clock is true, too. I have heard other stories about clocks stopping when someone dies.

That is one year I wish had never happened!:highprayer::

Lmora
 
I have heard other stories about clocks stopping when someone dies.

Thank you for that. Sometimes I think God is offering us proof in the most unexpected but convincing ways.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
I have heard other stories about clocks stopping when someone dies.

Thank you for that. Sometimes I think God is offering us proof in the most unexpected but convincing ways.
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You are quite welcome. God does talk to us, but I think many do not listen to him. If they would just take a few moments of time to talk to him and then listen, they would feel a lot better. Right before my cousin’s husband died, I got the thought in my head: “He does not have long.” I do not know why, but I did not question why. I just knew he was going to be next. With my husband, I never knew he was going to die because I was constantly praying for a miracle to happen, so, I tried to stay positive. But my mind was all messed up and I could not think straight. All I wanted was for me to walk into his hospital room and see his eyes opened and him alert. I actually saw my husband getting better and his eyes were opened one day, but after that something happened between that day and the next day. They were over medicating him and I begged the Doctors to “hold” his sedation medication, but they would not listen to me. That is when I saw the devil at work. They killed my husband (long story-and I have a log of those horrible three weeks that he was there)

“By their fruits, you shall know them.”

Lmora
 
They killed my husband (long story-and I have a log of those horrible three weeks that he was there.

And this is what I worry about with policies on medical treatment being taken over by the government. Even less ability to halt the devil’s work.
 
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They killed my husband (long story-and I have a log of those horrible three weeks that he was there.

And this is what I worry about with policies on medical treatment being taken over by the government. Even less ability to halt the devil’s work.
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I actually turned my daily log into a book on how the Doctors and Nurses treat everyone in a Hospital. Of course it is not every Hospital, but a local one here in Las Vegas. I was going to have my husband transfered to another Hospital here, but when I looked up on line, the ratings were all the same. All of the Hospitals here have a rating of 1, which is not good,at all! My book is titled: "Nightmare City- by Lmora and I am waiting for my publisher to tell me it is finished.

On December 23rd, 2 days before my husband died, this Nurse told me they were giving my husband HEPARIN. Heparin is a blood thinner. I worked in a Hospital for 23 years and thought nothing of Heparin, because it was used all the time. Two days later, my husband died.

On January 19, 2009, I recieved an email stating that Heparin was being re-called due to contamination!.

When I contacted a law firm here, they told me they will NOT take my case due to “Business Reasons.” That alone, told me that they are all in the devil’s pocket. I contacted another lawyer, same thing.I kept on running into a brick wall.

They wanted proof. I contacted a local news tv station here. I was ready to go on the air and tell the truth. They too, wanted proof and said they could not help me.

This Hospital milked our Health Insurance for everything we had! They still have the nerve to send me Hospital bills that they claim we owe them.
The only proof I have is me. I was the only one there everyday and every night.

To pull my husbands medical records , is going to cost a lot of money. But I always thought that was the job of these incompetent Lawyers. I guess not.

And they wonder why people protest…it is to get attention to the evil ways of man. Man must stop thinking of himself and start thing of God! God first, man second. All they are concerned about is how COMFORTABLE they will live. This is the way of the devil.

“By their fruits, you shall know them.”
 
The book, Get Us Out Of Hereby Maria Simma of eastern europe tells the story of souls in purgatory communicating w/ her.
 
Lmora

“By their fruits, you shall know them.”

Having battled several legal establishments, I know all about those fruits.

GOOD LUCK!
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Lmora

“By their fruits, you shall know them.”

Having battled several legal establishments, I know all about those fruits.

GOOD LUCK!
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I am glad someone else knows what I am talking about. For a minute there, I thought it was just this State that I live in.

Lmora
 
I don’t know if the deceased can see us from heaven or not, or even if they can reach us here on earth, but I do believe that in some mysterious and unfathomable way they can at times send us signs and messages, maybe even appear to us in a dream. I’ve known people who claimed they’ve seen their loved ones for a brief instant after they had died. I don’t think this is impossible because our world and that beyond is so filled with mystery, things so far above us, that our finite human minds could never understand. I think maybe God does give us small gifts from time to time, maybe in a time of grief and mourning a loss of someone we loved, when the pain becomes so unbearable, I’ve known so many people that have told me stories of visions or signs.

However, as to conjuring up the dead, that is strictly forbidden by any Christian religion, and it is strictly stated in God’s Word. It is an abomination to call upon the dead, which would include mediums, psycics and ouija boards or any form of ADC that one would bring on themselves. I think any wandering spirits or ghosts are strictly demonic or in the lower regions somewhere. We do not understand how the afterlife works, and who knows where the souls go other then heaven or hell, and from all the mysterious ghostly appearances one would think there is a middle ground somewhere that some souls go to where they just are left to wander around. I honestly don’t think this is true, but we can’t even try to speculate about the afterlife since there is no way to find out for sure. Some day we’ll know all the answers. I also have a deep curiosity about after life topics such as the near death experience or the after death communications (ADC), but in all my years of reading book after book, I never have received one single clue other then reading people’s stories of their experiences. That’s not proof, just stories.

We have to leave it all with God and I think He made it this way. It’s actually none of our business and He will give us dreams and visions if He so chooses, otherwise, it’s not for us to know at this time. :angel1:
 
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