Not so Jan. To be actually possessed, a person has to consciously invite him in. It never happens against a person’s will. Which is why it is rare. Most people do not want to consciously ask to be possessed.
You would be more credible and have more respect if you didn’t keep opening up stupid threads!
Perhaps she doesnt care what WE think of her, and focuses on what God thinks of her.
Is this a joke? Are you kidding? When I see prints in the snow, I have to admit my first thought is not the devil. You are joking correct?
If she is so interested in what God thinks of her, then why when she sees footprints in the snow, does the devil come to mind? How about deer, or wild pigs, maybe a cow got out, God’s creations are good, snow is pretty, isn’t it interesting how prints occur? Instead, she wondersa bout the devil leaving foot prints in the snow. I rather doubt it. He’s a hedonist. Doesn’t want to get cold.
Willingly messing with the occult could make a person unwittingly invite Satan in for possession. But you are right that Harassment and possession are very different.
Most likely it is not satan that left footprints in your yard. Satan has alot of work to do, lying to people, convincing them to sin, trying to take over the world etc etc. He’s not going to waste time putting hoofprints in your yard unless there is a purpose in it, like causing you to fear. I’d be more likely to agree that it was him making you wonder if it was him that put the hoofprints in your yard than to believe that he did put the hoofprints in your yard. If you can follow that.
**I concur, with regard to harrasement and possesion however, a person (not a saint) does not will or choose to have satan posses them… Its has nothing to do with free will., its Gods will
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Minions? It’s not my understanding that Satan has a kind of network of demons at his disposal. That’s a little too reminescent of the movie “The Prophecy.” In fact, it’s a common misconception that Satan is some sort of head hancho within the boundaries of hell. It’s not like he has any power over the forsaken souls or fallen angels. It seems to me that he, like anyone else who is in hell, operates on the axiom, “Misery loves company.”
Do you realize that you just wrote that possession by Satan of a person is God’s will? This is really your belief? That God can will evil?
God cannot will evil.
Earlier Jan’s posts said God willed it. That is different from saying God allows it. God also allows abortion, but he does not will abortion. To state that God wills Satanic possession is to say that God is capable of doing evel acts. That is not the same thing as saying out of respect for human liberty and dignity he allows us to make our own decisions and allows Satan to tempt allowing us to respond. It is not just a matter os semantics. To disallow free will in Satanic possession or in any evil is to completely change the theological nature of God.
Well said.
**Everything is Gods will, he dose not cause evil, yet permits it.
**The person does not have to be involved with the occult, its absurd to suggest this. Holy people or religious people excluding Saints, deal with possesion .( minus there free will.) Its not by free will a person allows satan to attack them or posses them. God does not cause such an occurance yet permits it.[SIGN][/SIGN]
You say you concur and yet you make a statement like this one which is totally contrary to what you concurred. Let us try this again.
Harassment is a totally different experience than possession. It comes from the OUTSIDE of the person and, on the whole, is usually due to the holiness of the person. Although we cannot box the devil in. And yes, God allows it.
Possession comes from the INSIDE of the person and, on the whole, happens when the person involves himself/herself in different occult practices but again, we cannot box the devil here. It ALWAYS requires the will of the person as the devil cannot act without being allowed to. It is allowed by God Himself but is never the author of such an affliction.
i read it yesterdayand today…how can one become a spiritual son of Padre Pio?