God’s permissive will is not the same as His ordained will. He permits things to be so, but it does not mean that He strictly wills it in an active sense. So yes He allowed Islam to be created, as well as other demonic religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism and the like, and yes these religions deny Jesus. But that does not mean that He willed these religions to exist.OK so he allowed the Devil to turn into Angel Gabriel and deny Jesus was lord? And thus Islam was born? Help I’m confused-.
In Judaism, it is not thought that HaSatan or any of the angels have free will; only humans have this and therefore only they are able to act contrary to the will of G-d. I believe the Church says otherwise although not in relation to demonic influences on Islam.Like pretend to be the Angel Gabriel and send messages to Mohammed and create a totally false religion? Having studied Islam it clearly shows demonic influences, denying Jesus Christ and just gets more violent the more you read the Koran.
Human beings are capable of committing horrendous acts of evil, and because of our gift of free will God does not intervene to prevent this. Surely Satan also has the gift of free will?Like pretend to be the Angel Gabriel and send messages to Mohammed and create a totally false religion? Having studied Islam it clearly shows demonic influences, denying Jesus Christ and just gets more violent the more you read the Koran.
Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism: do you believe all of these religions are demonic? Why not include Judaism, which also denies Jesus, and throw in Mormonism, J-hovah’s Witnesses, Quakerism, and the many branches of Protestantism, which, as a whole, is heretical? Does a false religion necessarily mean a religion is demonic?God’s permissive will is not the same as His ordained will. He permits things to be so, but it does not mean that He strictly wills it in an active sense. So yes He allowed Islam to be created, as well as other demonic religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism and the like, and yes these religions deny Jesus. But that does not mean that He willed these religions to exist.
I hope that makes sense.
If you know about Christianity and you know about Islam, I think it is very compelling how the religion seems to be designed to be a rival to Christianity. I think the claims that Islamic roots have demonic influence go beyond internet theory. There are many converts from Islam that share this view, including at least one member on this board, Khalid, that postulated this.Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism: do you believe all of these religions are demonic? Why not include Judaism, which also denies Jesus, and throw in Mormonism, J-hovah’s Witnesses, Quakerism, and the many branches of Protestantism, which, as a whole, is heretical? Does a false religion necessarily mean a religion is demonic?
In my experience, converts from other religions often feel the need to put down their previous or initial religion with a lot of zeal. It’s similar to non-amicable divorce. There may be some truth to what converts state but, in my view, much of it is based on cognitive dissonance: that is, since they have invested so much time, energy, unpleasantness, and risk in the process of conversion, it would motivate the converts more that they made the right decision if they could convince themselves that their initial religion is false and even demonic.If you know about Christianity and you know about Islam, I think it is very compelling how the religion seems to be designed to be a rival to Christianity. I think the claims that Islamic roots have demonic influence go beyond internet theory. There are many converts from Islam that share this view, including at least one member on this board, Khalid, that postulated this.
In the broadest sense, anything and everything outside of truth is going to be associated with demonic influences, but Islam is unique in its deliberateness to counter Christianity.
I think this is putting the cart before the horse. There wouldn’t be a conversion in the first place if the person felt everything about the beliefs of their upbringing were peachy. The grievances precede the conversion.In my experience, converts from other religions often feel the need to put down their previous or initial religion with a lot of zeal. It’s similar to non-amicable divorce. There may be some truth to what converts state but, in my view, much of it is based on cognitive dissonance: that is, since they have invested so much time, energy, unpleasantness, and risk in the process of conversion, it would motivate the converts more that they made the right decision if they could convince themselves that their initial religion is false and even demonic.
Yet this claim is not shared by our Church. The Catechism clearly states that Muslims adore the same God as we do and that within God’s plan for salvation the Muslims have ‘first place’ amongst those who acknowledge the Creator.I think the claims that Islamic roots have demonic influence go beyond internet theory.
This is not correct. These two views are not incompatible with one another, however the view that Islam has aggressive roots against Christianity is not something that is (or ever will be) magisterially defined, because that isn’t the Magisterium’s job in the first place. The Magisterium preserve the truths of the faith. I recommend reading CAF’s book “Not Peace but a Sword” for a more thorough understanding on the divides between Islam and Christianity.Yet this claim is not shared by our Church. The Catechism clearly states that Muslims adore the same God as we do and that within God’s plan for salvation the Muslims have ‘first place’ amongst those who acknowledge the Creator.
Claiming that Islam is a ‘demonic’ faith is contrary to the teachings of our Church. As a Catholic, it is a heretical view to hold.
There may very well be grievances before conversion but these grievances do not cease after conversion; instead, they often intensify. That is where cognitive motivation in the form of dissonance kicks in, in the attempt to justify one’s decision and believe it is the correct one.I think this is putting the cart before the horse. There wouldn’t be a conversion in the first place if the person felt everything about the beliefs of their upbringing were peachy. The grievances precede the conversion.