Can the Non-Traditionalist Catholics have their own section of CAF, too?

[Cat]

Whenever I take one of those “religion” polls, I always end up strongly “Traditional Catholic.”

But I sure do clash with some of the people in the Traditional Catholic section of CAF. Golly molly.

You would not even know that we are part of the same Church. I feel like I believe totally differently on almost everything than some of the people here. But then someone posts something that is more like what I have been taught by my priests and catechists, and I realize that I am not a misfit after all.

It worries me that I don’t think I would be friends with many of the people who post here on CAF. That doesn’t seem very kind of me, but I honestly wouldn’t want to hang around someone who was always keeping a list of wrongs in the Church and challenging those who have been placed in authority over us.

Please, can we who are “Traditional But Open To New Things” (TBOTNT) have a section of the forum where we can discuss all the wonderful and exciting developments in our amazing Catholic Church?

None of the other sections seem to fit this.

On one of the forums that I belong to (an ice skating forum), we have a “Brag Board” to describe wonderful things that have happened. Maybe something like that would work here on CAF.

Thank you.

 

[jmeyer3131]

Please, can we who are “Traditional But Open To New Things” (TBOTNT) have a section of the forum where we can discuss all the wonderful and exciting developments in our amazing Catholic Church?

None of the other sections seem to fit this.

On one of the forums that I belong to (an ice skating forum), we have a “Brag Board” to describe wonderful things that have happened. Maybe something like that would work here on CAF.

Thank you.

I love that idea. I’d love to see bragging about our priests and bishops there, too. The Pope has mentioned that we should affirm our priests in the good they do. This could be a good place to get us thinking about that, and maybe some people would then affirm their priests personally. The good ones (and there are many) need to know the good that they do.

 

[I_Believe]

What you are asking for is a very reasonable request. But, you just had to take a swipe at traditionalists while you were at it. You say you don’t want to be friends with some here, but yet you come into their mist and say that. And you did it on the Traditional Catholicism forum.

See what I’m getting at ?

There is an obvious agenda that has been brewing for some time now. I’m not saying you are part of it, but never the less, it is so. And it started right after someone suggested that this forum be done away with. That didn’t work, so we now have the barrage. It’s very easy to see. A “new” member appears, and after a month, they have 400 plus posts, 90 % of which poo poo anything a traditionalist offers.

I can understand when someone get’s upset at a post which labels a Pope a heretic. I can understand when someone gets upset when a tradtionalist gets harsh. I’m guilty of it. You should know, because I did it to you. Please accept my apology Cat.

But as I have said many times, traditional catholicism is not what causes the division here. And those who cling to it are not the problem. The problem is that revolutionary change has enabled the division.

It has been said that this forum was opened to keep all the traditionalists in one place. I don’t know if that is the case, but this forum is where I stay for the most part. I’m here to learn about traditional catholic spirituality, as described on the forums index. I’m also here to learn what all the fuss is about. I was shocked when I first came here and lurked for awhile before registering.

I soon saw, however, that the catholicism the traditionalists embrace is rock solid and free of error. I am convinced of this because of what I’ve seen and learned. Here is an example…

"Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ.” - St. Athanasius, AD 373

The Church has been fighting revolutionary change for a very long time.

“What if some novel contagion seek to infect the whole Church, and not merely a small portion of it? Then he will take care to cling to antiquity, which cannot now be led astray by any novel deceit.” -St. Vincent of Lerins († 445)

These words of wisdom and warning are not going to be forgotten Cat. Nothing the traditionalists align themselves with is in error. We can certainly say things that may be in error, and we must accept that we will be called on it. But as I said, the traditionalists on this forum are being attacked no matter what we say, whether we are in error or not. And the telling indicator is that many of those who are here to ridicule and contradict, seldom post on any other forum. Again, you are obviously not one of them, and because of that, one day you will see what I’m saying. Or not. Time will tell.

 

[Cathryn]

Ubi Petrus ibi Ecclesia. (Wherever Peter is, there is the Church.) St. Ambrose of Milan

 

[Cat]

I_Believe, I don’t think I “took a swipe” at anyone. If you’ll re-read my post, I put the burden on MYSELF. I even said “That doesn’t seem very kind of me.” I’m the one with the problem. Please forgive me if I sounded like I was bashing anyone. It’s ME who is misanthropic, or perhaps I should say, “mistraditionalist.”

As for your other comments,

The Catechism makes it clear that the Church of Jesus is constantly growing and maturing and this means that there will be changes. These changes are not “novel deceits,” but rather, are the mark of a vital and living Body of Christ. Praise God for that “fresh air!”

But from what I’ve seen here, a lot of the more extreme Catholics won’t even accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a genuine Catechism of the Catholic Church. Some won’t even accept the Pope, or certain Bishops, or their own priest, or the hired staff in their parish, or anyone who is rightfully in authority over them, as a true authority.

I don’t want to play “dueling quotes” from “great saints.” Just like proponents of sola Scriptura can support ANYTHING from the Scriptures, I am beginning to realize that Catholics can support ANYTHING from the Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, too.

But frankly, I don’t want to read the Scriptures and the works of the saints to prove that I’m right and you’re wrong. I want to read these works so that I can become a saint, too, and be like Jesus and go to heaven.

That’s why Jesus gave us a Pope and a Magisterium–to show us the way and the truth. The tricky part is accepting and submitting to the authority of the Pope and Magisterium and the Clergy and all those who are rightfully in positions of authority in the Church (not self-appointed authorities, but true authorities who have the official sanction of the Catholic Church).

The Authority Issue is without doubt in the Top Three of my reasons for leaving evangelical Protestantism and becoming Catholic–I WANT to follow the Leader, even if the Leader leads me someplace that I don’t personally prefer!

I do NOT want to question those that the Lord has placed in positions of authority. If they are living a sinful life and leading others into blatant sin (e.g., the pederasts), that’s different.

But if there is no sin involved, then I will leave it to THEIR authorities to criticize and discipline them. My job in the Catholic Church is to pray for them, support them, encourage them, love them, and obey them. And I LIKE this! Does anyone else agree that you like it, too?! Isn’t this a great Church that Jesus has established! Isn’t it GREAT to be Catholic TODAY, in this period of history, right now, right where you are, with whatever priest or bishop you have and whatever parish you attend?!!

It can only get better! Heaven awaits, and every Mass brings us closer.

 

[skatepixie]

Why do you feel the need for your own section? No one on any board agrees with everyone about everything…and honestly, if we did, would there be a point in a “discussion” board?

Liturgically, I’m very traditional. Morally and theologically, I believe everything that the Church teaches. However, I have some disagreements with some traditional Catholics on some issues…but I’m still a traditional Catholic.

I don’t see a point in breaking the forum apart into a million pieces. This section is for people to discuss traditional Catholicism. People won’t always agree…and when they disagree everyone should try to be respectful.

But if you’re looking for a place where everyone will agree with you…this isn’t it…and such a place doesnt exist.

 

[EasterJoy]

I can understand when someone get’s upset at a post which labels a Pope a heretic. I can understand when someone gets upset when a tradtionalist gets harsh. I’m guilty of it. You should know, because I did it to you. Please accept my apology Cat.

But as I have said many times, traditional catholicism is not what causes the division here. And those who cling to it are not the problem. The problem is that revolutionary change has enabled the division. …

I soon saw, however, that the catholicism the traditionalists embrace is rock solid and free of error. I am convinced of this because of what I’ve seen and learned.

If you’ve got people labelling themselves “traditionalist” and calling the Pope or the bishops apostates and heretics, then I’m not so sure you can claim on the other hand that this group can be automatically assumed to be “rock solid and free of error.” Just because you’re sure that you’re right and everybody else is wrong does not mean tradition is on your side, no matter how heartily you “embrace” your ideas with that reasoning in mind. That problem hardly describes everybody who prefers traditional practice, though, not by a long shot.

As far as making the excuse that revolutionary changes “enabled” division, you can go anywhere on the forum, and you’ll find people frustrated about something, making excuses for why their rudeness or disrespect is inevitable or even admirable. I hear the same thing from the liberal side of the family who won’t attend Mass because the Holy See has declared it cannot ordain women. I don’t buy it from them, and I don’t buy it here.

Nobody has a gun to anyone’s head, forcing them to issue their strong opinions in inappropriate ways. Furthermore, just because we’re in a time in Church history when people feel free to have an opinion does not imply that factions are a given. Factions are a choice, and according the Apostle Paul, a choice to be avidly avoided.

On the OPs original question, my impression is that this forum is for the many questions and comments about the place of the older practices and the prospect of reintroducing them and making them available to more Catholics, and not primarily a place to contain those people who prefer to discuss those topics. Catholics who are pleased to be obedient to the Pope and yet do not have a burning desire to see the vernacular replaced by Latin, who like the NO, and so on, have plenty of appropriate places to post the questions and comments they do have.

 

[jmeyer3131]

But how about the “brag board” concept? Or is there already something like that here?

 

[skatepixie]

Couldn’t someone post brags, etc on the Back Fence section? It seems to be the random chat catch all. Unless the brag has something to do with one of the other forums…like maybe “my son’s getting married” would go in Family Life?

I don’t think we NEED to have a section for every little category…because just about anything can fit in one of the other sections or else go in random chat…

 

[sphilomena]

I am really puzzled as to why here, at the Traditional forum, you would post this request. Additionally, after looking at another current thread, I know there is such a mixing of terminologies, and a confusion that results from that.

As an example, I call myself traditional, grew up before Vat II (was in college at the end), attend the NO almost every day, and just want to return to reverence and have the option of going to the TLM. Some people call schismatics traditional! There’s a wide range in the terminology and definitions.

 

[I_Believe]

I_Believe, I don’t think I “took a swipe” at anyone. If you’ll re-read my post, I put the burden on MYSELF. I even said “That doesn’t seem very kind of me.” I’m the one with the problem. Please forgive me if I sounded like I was bashing anyone. It’s ME who is misanthropic, or perhaps I should say, “mistraditionalist.”

As for your other comments,

The Catechism makes it clear that the Church of Jesus is constantly growing and maturing and this means that there will be changes. These changes are not “novel deceits,” but rather, are the mark of a vital and living Body of Christ. Praise God for that “fresh air!”

But from what I’ve seen here, a lot of the more extreme Catholics won’t even accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a genuine Catechism of the Catholic Church. Some won’t even accept the Pope, or certain Bishops, or their own priest, or the hired staff in their parish, or anyone who is rightfully in authority over them, as a true authority.

I don’t want to play “dueling quotes” from “great saints.” Just like proponents of sola Scriptura can support ANYTHING from the Scriptures, I am beginning to realize that Catholics can support ANYTHING from the Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, too.

But frankly, I don’t want to read the Scriptures and the works of the saints to prove that I’m right and you’re wrong. I want to read these works so that I can become a saint, too, and be like Jesus and go to heaven.

That’s why Jesus gave us a Pope and a Magisterium–to show us the way and the truth. The tricky part is accepting and submitting to the authority of the Pope and Magisterium and the Clergy and all those who are rightfully in positions of authority in the Church (not self-appointed authorities, but true authorities who have the official sanction of the Catholic Church).

The Authority Issue is without doubt in the Top Three of my reasons for leaving evangelical Protestantism and becoming Catholic–I WANT to follow the Leader, even if the Leader leads me someplace that I don’t personally prefer!

I do NOT want to question those that the Lord has placed in positions of authority. If they are living a sinful life and leading others into blatant sin (e.g., the pederasts), that’s different.

But if there is no sin involved, then I will leave it to THEIR authorities to criticize and discipline them. My job in the Catholic Church is to pray for them, support them, encourage them, love them, and obey them. And I LIKE this! Does anyone else agree that you like it, too?! Isn’t this a great Church that Jesus has established! Isn’t it GREAT to be Catholic TODAY, in this period of history, right now, right where you are, with whatever priest or bishop you have and whatever parish you attend?!!

It can only get better! Heaven awaits, and every Mass brings us closer.

Ok, fair enough, I jumped the gun. As I said, I don’t think you are one of the ones with the agenda.

The changes I’m talking about are the Revolutionary Changes. The “about face” on traditional teachings and the Liturgy. “Things you just don’t do”, being done. Revolutionary Changes isn’t my term, it’s one used by Popes in the past, including the man who called VII.

You don’t have a problem Cat. You are confused as many of us are. VII isn’t the problem. VII is being “used” to enable the confusion. I’m not articulate enough to expand on that. An understanding of Fatima will reveal what I’m talking about. We are going through a persecution of a different sort than bloody persecution. Our faith is being tested.

When you get time, read all you can about the message of Our Lady of Fatima. Judge for yourself.

 

[Cat]

If you’ve got people labelling themselves “traditionalist” and calling the Pope or the bishops apostates and heretics, then I’m not so sure you can claim on the other hand that this group can be automatically assumed to be “rock solid and free of error.” Just because you’re sure that you’re right and everybody else is wrong does not mean tradition is on your side, no matter how heartily you “embrace” your ideas with that reasoning in mind. That problem hardly describes everybody who prefers traditional practice, though, not by a long shot.

As far as making the excuse that revolutionary changes “enabled” division, you can go anywhere on the forum, and you’ll find people frustrated about something, making excuses for why their rudeness or disrespect is inevitable or even admirable. I hear the same thing from the liberal side of the family who won’t attend Mass because the Holy See has declared it cannot ordain women. I don’t buy it from them, and I don’t buy it here.

Nobody has a gun to anyone’s head, forcing them to issue their strong opinions in inappropriate ways. Furthermore, just because we’re in a time in Church history when people feel free to have an opinion does not imply that factions are a given. Factions are a choice, and according the Apostle Paul, a choice to be avidly avoided.

On the OPs original question, my impression is that this forum is for the many questions and comments about the place of the older practices and the prospect of reintroducing them and making them available to more Catholics, and not primarily a place to contain those people who prefer to discuss those topics. Catholics who are pleased to be obedient to the Pope and yet do not have a burning desire to see the vernacular replaced by Latin, who like the NO, and so on, have plenty of appropriate places to post the questions and comments they do have.

Thank you, EasterJoy. I always find “joy” in reading your comments.

Where?

Apologetics is a “debate” section. It’s interesting, but it’s not really the place to say, “Hey, I think the D.C. Mass was cool, how about you?! Love that lively music!” The apologists would immediately come up with quotes from the 6th Century proving that the music was an abomination.

Eastern Catholicism isn’t quite right.

Non-Catholic Religions is a possibility, but that’s supposed to be a place for non-Catholics to ask their questions, isn’t it?

Liturgy and Sacraments is my personal least favorite place on this forum. If a rubric has been de-rubricized, that’s the place to go to be shocked about it. I noticed that the Moderator finally instituted a moratorium against 'hand-holding threads." Thank goodness. I hope that “veiling” is next.

Not sure about the other Sections. Perhaps “spirituality,” but that seems much more along the lines of “I want to conquer a sin, how do I do it?” It seems wrong to go there and say, “Hey, I love being Catholic and here’s why!”

Back Fence? Isn’t that just for fun and friendship and OT?

I guess what I’m looking for is a place to find friends, people who edify me rather than drag me down. In real life off line, I don’t associate with people that I don’t get along with. Why would I? I am civil with them when I meet up with them, and that’s about it.

There are some cool people who know a lot on this forum, and I really wish that I could spend more time chatting online with them. The Book of Sirach says “Frequent the company of the elders; whoever is wise, stay close to him. Be eager to hear every godly discourse, let no wise saying escape you. If you see a man of prudence, seek him out, let your feet wear away his doorstep.”

BTW, I’m not looking for people who “agree with me.” I’m looking for people who know more than me.

 

[the_phoenix]

It worries me that I don’t think I would be friends with many of the people who post here on CAF. That doesn’t seem very kind of me, but I honestly wouldn’t want to hang around someone who was always keeping a list of wrongs in the Church and challenging those who have been placed in authority over us.

I’m best friends with a Methodist who belongs to the Democrat Party, who has not been shy about explaining to me her pro-choice stance, and who has in fact leveled a nasty charge against the Catholic Church which I had to diplomatically do my best to answer. Meanwhile, I’m a pro-life Republican who, while attending a Methodist women’s social event to which my friend had invited me, I had occasion to speak out, and quite publicly so in front of an Elder of her church yet, in favor of the pro-life position. And yet … the two of us remain best friends.

I count a Methodist married couple as friends bordering on family, one of whom pointed out to me from the “list of wrongs” she’d been keeping, certain things which she disliked about a Catholic Mass she had attended as a guest.

Those are but two examples.

While I would dearly love to make friends with a Catholic who shares my beliefs, I am definitely grateful for the non-Catholics whom the Lord is providing me for company. While the differences can sometimes be challenging, the loyalty, goodwill, and ultimate respect within these relationships have been so rewarding.

I’m a Conservative Catholic loyal to the Pope. While I’ve posted in the Traditional sub-forum, especially on the topic of the Latin Mass, I don’t call myself a “Traditionalist” because that might be interpreted as subscribing to a schismatic position, which I don’t.

As for always keeping a list of wrongs within the Church or challenging authority?

I’m an official member of a parish where Mass is in English, very reverent, good sermons, good level of courtesy, excellent opportunity for prayer in the Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapel.

I also sometimes attend the Latin Mass downtown, my motto being: “Latin for those who want it, English for those who want it, reverence for all.”

And this week, with the Pope’s visit, it’s the perfect time to start a list of everything going RIGHT within the Church !!! It has been just Fabulous !!!

Viva il Papa!

In closing, at least in my experience, sometimes the Lord sends friends who do not share all our beliefs and can be a bit of a challenge and help us grow … but if we respond to that friendship, it can be So Worth It!

~~ the phoenix

 

[Cat]

I’m best friends with a Methodist who belongs to the Democrat Party, who has not been shy about explaining to me her pro-choice stance, and who has in fact leveled a nasty charge against the Catholic Church which I had to diplomatically do my best to answer. Meanwhile, I’m a pro-life Republican who, while attending a Methodist women’s social event to which my friend had invited me, I had occasion to speak out, and quite publicly so in front of an Elder of her church yet, in favor of the pro-life position. And yet … the two of us remain best friends.

I count a Methodist married couple as friends bordering on family, one of whom pointed out to me from the “list of wrongs” she’d been keeping, certain things which she disliked about a Catholic Mass she had attended as a guest.

Those are but two examples.

While I would dearly love to make friends with a Catholic who shares my beliefs, I am definitely grateful for the non-Catholics whom the Lord is providing me for company. While the differences can sometimes be challenging, the loyalty, goodwill, and ultimate respect within these relationships have been so rewarding.

I’m a Conservative Catholic loyal to the Pope. While I’ve posted in the Traditional sub-forum, especially on the topic of the Latin Mass, I don’t call myself a “Traditionalist” because that might be interpreted as subscribing to a schismatic position, which I don’t.

As for always keeping a list of wrongs within the Church or challenging authority?

I’m an official member of a parish where Mass is in English, very reverent, good sermons, good level of courtesy, excellent opportunity for prayer in the Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapel.

I also sometimes attend the Latin Mass downtown, my motto being: “Latin for those who want it, English for those who want it, reverence for all.”

And this week, with the Pope’s visit, it’s the perfect time to start a list of everything going RIGHT within the Church !!! It has been just Fabulous !!!

Viva il Papa!

In closing, at least in my experience, sometimes the Lord sends friends who do not share all our beliefs and can be a bit of a challenge and help us grow … but if we respond to that friendship, it can be So Worth It!

~~ the phoenix

Phoenix, I appreciate your wise words, but I’m not there yet and not sure when I will be there.

You see, my family was kicked out of our Protestant church by people we thought were our friends.

It was horrible. For several years my daughters dropped out of church. Thankfully my older daughter was received into the Catholic Church a few weeks ago. But my younger daughter still doesn’t attend any church. She has even more trust issues than I do (and I think there are some “reasons” for this that she has never shared with anyone).

It happened in 2002, and since then, I just don’t trust people. Maybe someday.

Perhaps that’s why I’m so eager to embrace the leadership of my Church and TRUST them. To me, the Catholic Church and the strong system of Christ-given authority was an anchor in very rough seas.

 

[I_Believe]

If you’ve got people labelling themselves “traditionalist” and calling the Pope or the bishops apostates and heretics, then I’m not so sure you can claim on the other hand that this group can be automatically assumed to be “rock solid and free of error.” Just because you’re sure that you’re right and everybody else is wrong does not mean tradition is on your side, no matter how heartily you “embrace” your ideas with that reasoning in mind. That problem hardly describes everybody who prefers traditional practice, though, not by a long shot.

As far as making the excuse that revolutionary changes “enabled” division, you can go anywhere on the forum, and you’ll find people frustrated about something, making excuses for why their rudeness or disrespect is inevitable or even admirable. I hear the same thing from the liberal side of the family who won’t attend Mass because the Holy See has declared it cannot ordain women. I don’t buy it from them, and I don’t buy it here.

Nobody has a gun to anyone’s head, forcing them to issue their strong opinions in inappropriate ways. Furthermore, just because we’re in a time in Church history when people feel free to have an opinion does not imply that factions are a given. Factions are a choice, and according the Apostle Paul, a choice to be avidly avoided.

On the OPs original question, my impression is that this forum is for the many questions and comments about the place of the older practices and the prospect of reintroducing them and making them available to more Catholics, and not primarily a place to contain those people who prefer to discuss those topics. Catholics who are pleased to be obedient to the Pope and yet do not have a burning desire to see the vernacular replaced by Latin, who like the NO, and so on, have plenty of appropriate places to post the questions and comments they do have.

I’m not a sede. I don’t fall for conspiracy theories or pay any attention to them. I’m a traditionalist who is a member of an NO parish, and who attends the TLM at another diocean parish when my work schedule permits.

I recant nothing I’ve ever posted, save for the uncharitable slurs I’ve thrown at other members. For those I apologize.

Easter Joy, I read only the first few lines of your post. As with the last time, you are twisting my words and telling me what I’m saying even though what I said is right there in black and white.

The last time, I replied (on the other thread), and you did not even acknowledge my response. I don’t mean to be uncharitable, but save your keystrokes from now on. I care nothing for what you say, because I’ve seen it too many times here. The writing is on the wall. There is a group of folks here with an agenda, and the clique clack is deafening.

Again, save your keystrokes for those who will read them.

And if I may be so bold to suggest so , after my harsh response, please read and understand Fatima before you attack another traditionalist. We don’t deserve it if one won’t even attempt to understand our mindset.

 

[the_phoenix]

Phoenix, I appreciate your wise words, but I’m not there yet and not sure when I will be there.

You see, my family was kicked out of our Protestant church by people we thought were our friends.

It was horrible. For several years my daughters dropped out of church. Thankfully my older daughter was received into the Catholic Church a few weeks ago. But my younger daughter still doesn’t attend any church. She has even more trust issues than I do (and I think there are some “reasons” for this that she has never shared with anyone).

It happened in 2002, and since then, I just don’t trust people. Maybe someday.

Perhaps that’s why I’m so eager to embrace the leadership of my Church and TRUST them. To me, the Catholic Church and the strong system of Christ-given authority was an anchor in very rough seas.

Dear Cat,

Very sorry to hear about the betrayal experienced by you and your family, and at the hands of fellow church members.

Betrayal can definitely be shattering.

My first post to the Catholic Answers forum, I was asking for help in dealing with a Jehovah’s Witness who had deceived me for thirteen years and then unceremoniously dumped me after I told her that I could accept her as she was if she would return the favor and accept me as I was. This after she had taken to calling me “more than a friend, a sister, a sister in Christ!” Turns out she’d likely been using me the whole time, simply counting the numbers of hours she’d spent talking/witnessing to me as “field work” … Guess there’d been no friendship there for the entire thirteen years. Wonder how much of that time I should consider as wasted … All of it?

Anyways, it’s so good to see you open to trusting the leadership of the Catholic Church. Especially in our culture, where the spiritual warfare can get quite intense!

Hope to see your Brag Thread idea take off, looks like it’s garnering support. (Or it should, IMHO.)

~~ the phoenix

 

[peso73]

these quotes almost seem like they could be used to argue for the E.O. position, with the exception of their divorce allowed thing…no?

 

[skatepixie]

Thank you, EasterJoy. I always find “joy” in reading your comments.

Where?

Apologetics is a “debate” section. It’s interesting, but it’s not really the place to say, “Hey, I think the D.C. Mass was cool, how about you?! Love that lively music!” The apologists would immediately come up with quotes from the 6th Century proving that the music was an abomination.

Eastern Catholicism isn’t quite right.

Non-Catholic Religions is a possibility, but that’s supposed to be a place for non-Catholics to ask their questions, isn’t it?

Liturgy and Sacraments is my personal least favorite place on this forum. If a rubric has been de-rubricized, that’s the place to go to be shocked about it. I noticed that the Moderator finally instituted a moratorium against 'hand-holding threads." Thank goodness. I hope that “veiling” is next.

Not sure about the other Sections. Perhaps “spirituality,” but that seems much more along the lines of “I want to conquer a sin, how do I do it?” It seems wrong to go there and say, “Hey, I love being Catholic and here’s why!”

Back Fence? Isn’t that just for fun and friendship and OT?

I guess what I’m looking for is a place to find friends, people who edify me rather than drag me down. In real life off line, I don’t associate with people that I don’t get along with. Why would I? I am civil with them when I meet up with them, and that’s about it.

There are some cool people who know a lot on this forum, and I really wish that I could spend more time chatting online with them. The Book of Sirach says “Frequent the company of the elders; whoever is wise, stay close to him. Be eager to hear every godly discourse, let no wise saying escape you. If you see a man of prudence, seek him out, let your feet wear away his doorstep.”

BTW, I’m not looking for people who “agree with me.” I’m looking for people who know more than me.

For the music one, I would either put it in Liturgy and Sacraments as it involves music at Mass, or I would put it in one of the news threads on the Papal Mass…I tend to not start new threads on the same topic. So, in this case, if there was a thread about how much someone else didn’t like the music, you could put it there as well.

For a list of why we love being Catholic, that could go in spirtuality, the back fence, actually just about anywhere depending on what angle you’re going for.

 

[EasterJoy]

Thank you, EasterJoy. I always find “joy” in reading your comments.

Where?

Apologetics is a “debate” section. It’s interesting, but it’s not really the place to say, “Hey, I think the D.C. Mass was cool, how about you?! Love that lively music!” The apologists would immediately come up with quotes from the 6th Century proving that the music was an abomination.

Eastern Catholicism isn’t quite right.

Non-Catholic Religions is a possibility, but that’s supposed to be a place for non-Catholics to ask their questions, isn’t it?

Liturgy and Sacraments is my personal least favorite place on this forum. If a rubric has been de-rubricized, that’s the place to go to be shocked about it. I noticed that the Moderator finally instituted a moratorium against 'hand-holding threads." Thank goodness. I hope that “veiling” is next.

Not sure about the other Sections. Perhaps “spirituality,” but that seems much more along the lines of “I want to conquer a sin, how do I do it?” It seems wrong to go there and say, “Hey, I love being Catholic and here’s why!”

Back Fence? Isn’t that just for fun and friendship and OT?

I guess what I’m looking for is a place to find friends, people who edify me rather than drag me down. In real life off line, I don’t associate with people that I don’t get along with. Why would I? I am civil with them when I meet up with them, and that’s about it.

There are some cool people who know a lot on this forum, and I really wish that I could spend more time chatting online with them. The Book of Sirach says “Frequent the company of the elders; whoever is wise, stay close to him. Be eager to hear every godly discourse, let no wise saying escape you. If you see a man of prudence, seek him out, let your feet wear away his doorstep.”

BTW, I’m not looking for people who “agree with me.” I’m looking for people who know more than me.

Well, not even the traditionalists have found a haven where those who don’t get along with them will not venture! I certainly haven’t noticed that we have a section for serious posts that isn’t a debate section!

Actually, this is my suggestion:

1. Try posting what you propose. I’ve seen threads like that, and people like them.
2. PM people you like and ask if they’d like to “chat” that way.
3. Find some local people “with skin on” for what you’re looking for. There are some splendid people here on the internet, but it isn’t a substitute for meetings flesh and blood. If you don’t know anybody, ask for it in prayer. You cannot imagine what God will give you, unless you ask!

 

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Easter Joy, I read only the first few lines of your post. As with the last time, you are twisting my words and telling me what I’m saying even though what I said is right there in black and white.

The last time, I replied (on the other thread), and you did not even acknowledge my response. I don’t mean to be uncharitable, but save your keystrokes from now on. I care nothing for what you say, because I’ve seen it too many times here. The writing is on the wall. There is a group of folks here with an agenda, and the clique clack is deafening.

Again, save your keystrokes for those who will read them.

I have no intention of twisting your words. I respond to what I understand you to be saying. It is possible that I misunderstood you. If you understood my “you” to refer to “you” personally, though, please accept my apology. I didn’t mean it that way. Very often, I cite someone’s else post in order to add on to it, rather than to strictly agree or disagree. By “That problem hardly describes everybody who prefers traditional practice, though, not by a long shot”, I meant to say that I was not citing anyone in particular, only that the general pattern was possible. Considering onesself traditional doesn’t automatically put a person in line with tradition, let alone Tradition.

I don’t remember ignoring one your posts on purpose; I may have just missed it or gotten too wrapped up in some other reply. I’m sorry if I hurt you.

I can agree that after we go in circles for awhile, it does seem best for both of us if we just drop it. There is nothing wrong with that. If you choose to ignore my reply, that is certainly up to you. All threads have to end eventually.