Can the Pope be censured by the college of cardinals?

[upant]

In short, the Church would have done much better to defend marriage and not try to equate it with a civil union. It was, in terms of a chess match, a blunder.

The church already had rules against it

What would the church have gained by acknowledging the sinful arrangement

 

[Jen7]

In short, the Church would have done much better to defend marriage and not try to equate it with a civil union. It was, in terms of a chess match, a blunder.

But we pray “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven…” I don’t think the idea is that the Church leaves the state to sanction whatever it pleases while saying “in the religious sphere we believe such-and-such.” We work towards the actualization of God’s plan in civil society too, yes? Am I missing something?

 

[johnnykins]

I was unaware that contracts are sinful…conflating civil unions with marriage was neither required nor appropriate. The Church took a position that came back to bite it. Stupid decisions are like that.

 

[johnnykins]

yeah - you are. Contracting among people is hardly part of God’s plan. Conflating marriage with civil unions did nothing but lead to SSM. The Church by equating the two opened the door.

I suppose next you’ll want death for heretics (as was standard for years!), penalties for masturbation and a Catholic mutawa to really make people hate religion…

 

[upant]

I was unaware that contracts are sinful…conflating civil unions with marriage was neither required nor appropriate. The Church took a position that came back to bite it. Stupid decisions are like that.

Of course contracts are not sinful, the actions involved may be.

However civil unions are meant to mirror marriage and it is not a marriage any more than a SSM is a marriage.

What don’t you understand about it being against prior church teaching? Should the church change its teaching when new sins are legalized?

The Church by equating the two opened the door.

Very arrogant blaming the church for the sins of the world. You do realize the LGBT agenda wants to require the church to marry same sex couples.

 

[Motherwit]

Is there anything that the College of Cardinals can do?

They’ll probably discuss, brainstorm around the issue of how to support general legal rights of people being discriminated against. That’s how these things go. The Holy Spirit is present in dialogue with His guidance.

 

[Jen7]

suppose next you’ll want death for heretics (as was standard for years!), penalties for masturbation and a Catholic mutawa to really make people hate religion

Of course not. I asked nicely. There’s no reason to get snarky.

 

[johnnykins]

Of course contracts are not sinful, the actions involved may be.

However civil unions are meant to mirror marriage and it is not a marriage any more than a SSM is a marriage.

What don’t you understand about it being against prior church teaching? Should the church change its teaching when new sins are legalized?

The “actions” referred to are not immoral - tax rights, ownership rights, benefits rights, next of kin rights…that’s it.

Rights at law to sex are unrelated to civil marriage or civil unions…that state does criminalize homosexual acts in every civilized nation. It ain’t the 19th century or earlier anymore.

I’m not blaming the Church for the sins of the world - I’m saying the hierarchy blew this by and made SSM a reality by their asinine position. Let’s face it, from hiding and enabling pederasty, stealing children ala Edgardo Mortara, condoning torture, promoting slavery, selling forgiveness, and all number of sins they promoted, turned an eye to, or otherwise were unwise or evil, the hierarchy does not have an especially wholesome history.

 

[upant]

The “actions” referred to are not immoral - tax rights, ownership rights, benefits rights, next of kin rights…that’s it.

There are immoral actions involved, you are being deceived if you think there isn’t.

I’m saying the hierarchy blew this by and made SSM a reality by their asinine position.

The church has spoken on this and their interpretation is biblical. The church doesn’t change its policies to approve every sin that is legalized