Can the Pope be excommunicated?

[Mickey]

I gave you the specific reasons why you are being a polemicist.

LOL! I am not obliged to respond as to why you think I am a polemicist. You are a hoot!

Nothing here that says that the Pope acts APART FROM THE CHURCH, or can define ex cathedra APART FROM THE CHURCH.

You can play dumb…but we both know that the supreme pontiff can declare ex-cathedra doctrine (if he felt so compelled) apart from a council.

Let’s look at more:

“The Roman Pontiff is the true vicar of Christ, the head of the whole Church and the father and teacher of all Christians; and to him was committed in blessed Peter, by our lord Jesus Christ,** the full power of tending, ruling and governing the whole Church.”**
Council of Florence

 

[Mickey]

882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”

Ah yes…unhindered.

 

[Mickey]

Your sinful prejudice has made you too blind

Oh my! Such hubris! Now you are declaring people’s sins. :nope:

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother Mickey,

LOL! I am not obliged to respond as to why you think I am a polemicist. You are a hoot!
You can play dumb…but we both know that the supreme pontiff can declare ex-cathedra doctrine (if he felt so compelled) apart from a council.

Your misinterpretation lies in the fact that “apart from the Council” is not at all equivalent to “apart from the Church.” Your claim is an error not only from the Catholic perspective, but also from the Orthdox perspective. Inconsistency is a typical feature of polemicism.

“The Roman Pontiff is the true vicar of Christ, the head of the whole Church and the father and teacher of all Christians; and to him was committed in blessed Peter, by our lord Jesus Christ,** the full power of tending, ruling and governing the whole Church.”**
Council of Florence

Where does it say “apart from the Church” here? And, case in point, where is the word “ALONE” in that teaching? Your exaggerated extrapolations of Catholic teaching exist only in your own mind, brother.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[mardukm]

Ah yes…unhindered.

In canonical jargon, the term “unhindered” means “uncoerced,” not “unmitigated.” To be “unhindered” means to act with the use of free will; it does not mean the ability to do whatever one pleases. Again, it’s all in your mind. You have yet to provide any clear proof of your position from Catholic Magisterial sources that is not tainted with your own misinterpretation.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother Mickey,

Oh my! Such hubris! Now you are declaring people’s sins. :nope:

Blind prejudice is a sin. Maybe in your neck of the woods, it is not.

However, I have to admit I have been wanting in charity for saying it is sinful in brother Ignatios’ case. I must apologize for that. It might very well be that there is an element of invincible ignorance on his part, in which case it would not be sinful.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother Mickey,

LOL! I am not obliged to respond as to why you think I am a polemicist. You are a hoot!

It’s not for my benefit that I gave the reasons why you are being merely polemical. It is for the sake of others who are reading this to demonstrate that you really don’t have any valid reasons for your position. You consistently make accusations without valid documentary support. Your supposed support is not based on the documentary evidence, but on a misinterpretation of that documentary evidence that you wish to impose on others.

You can play dumb…but we both know that the supreme pontiff can declare ex-cathedra doctrine (if he felt so compelled) apart from a council.

Where is the “if he felt so compelled” contained in the teaching of the Catholic Church? The Pope cannot create doctrine out of the blue. And I gave direct documentary evidence from Magisterial sources in that link I gave. Again, it is all in your mind. Your supposed documentary evidence cannot stand on its own without the misinterpretations you impose on it.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Spirithound]

Okay then, we are in agreement that the Pope can/may teach error when he is teaching a particular church but not the whole church, but now this brings many things to mind, some of, what happened to the Apostolic teaching? or do you think is it that the Lord acts only when it is the universal church involved but not a portion of it, even one person? and when we hear his words " Luke 15:4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?" this infallability understanding becomes a mind boggling.

I’ve never heard anybody use this passage in talking about papal infallibility. It is about God’s mercy and desire that all be saved, not revelation.

 

[Catherine_Grant]

Note from Moderator:

This thread has run its course. Thank you to all who participated charitably.

Catherine