Can there be a greatest or ultimate truth for God?

[Eric_Hyom]

Could the greatest commandments be a greatest or ultimate truth for God?

When Jesus spent his time on Earth, he would have lived by the greatest commandments, could these commandments be the greatest purpose of both God the Father and God the Son?

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Father loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Could God love us more than he loves himself?

Blessings and peace be with you all,

Eric

 

[tonyrey]

Could the greatest commandments be a greatest or ultimate truth for God?

When Jesus spent his time on Earth, he would have lived by the greatest commandments, could these commandments be the greatest purpose of both God the Father and God the Son?

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Father loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Could God love us more than he loves himself?

Blessings and peace be with you all,

Eric

God’s love is infinite - which implies that it cannot be allocated quantitatively. Don’t you agree?

 

[JDaniel]

Could the greatest commandments be a greatest or ultimate truth for God?

When Jesus spent his time on Earth, he would have lived by the greatest commandments, could these commandments be the greatest purpose of both God the Father and God the Son?

God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, have no purpose, no raison d’etre, no Final Cause. The triune God is Existence. God is He who is because He exists.

But, perhaps you mean something different.

God bless,
jd

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Hello tonyrey

God’s love is infinite - which implies that it cannot be allocated quantitatively. Don’t you agree?

God’s love for us is so far beyond our understanding, and we often refer to it as infinite. But I wonder from a philosophical perception, could God possibly love us infinitely more than he loves himself?

The greatest commandments seem so profound, could they be called greatest, because they have a greatest meaning for God the Father, and the Son?

Blessings

Eric

 

[John_Pascendi]

Could the greatest commandments be a greatest or ultimate truth for God?

When Jesus spent his time on Earth, he would have lived by the greatest commandments, could these commandments be the greatest purpose of both God the Father and God the Son?

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Father loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Could God love us more than he loves himself?

Blessings and peace be with you all,

Eric

Once while walking in the woods I cam upon a watch on the ground.I picked it up and looked at the back…it had tiny gears etc etc…i wondered how this complicated contraption came to be…did all of the parts just ,somehow melt into a working thing that tells time or what? I then looked up at the sky and noticed the same working order.Huge planets moving here and there,stars,did all of this just happen or is there somekind of intelligent mind behind of all of this…since I have always tried to use common sense,I have come to the conclusion its all by design…a first cause, a planner…a God! Others then think as they choose,but as the writers and signers of the Declaration of Independence declared…"…by their creator…right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness" I will stick with them and not present day new-agers.

 

[JDaniel]

Hello tonyrey

God’s love for us is so far beyond our understanding, and we often refer to it as infinite. But I wonder from a philosophical perception, could God possibly love us infinitely more than he loves himself?

The greatest commandments seem so profound, could they be called greatest, because they have a greatest meaning for God the Father, and the Son?

Blessings

Eric

Eric:

Sorry to butt in, however it is clear that you did have something different in mind. Your question is an interesting one. IMHO, God loves Himself (meaning the Trinity) as much as He loves all of us. Infinitely more than infinite, I can’t even conceive that that could be possible. But, He certainly can love us infinitely without displacing His infinite love for Himself. I think, from a philosophical perspective, that God loves us under the umbrella of His infinite love for himself.

In Genesis, God looked around at His Creation and said it was Good.

God bless,
jd

 

[tonyrey]

Hello tonyrey
God’s love for us is so far beyond our understanding, and we often refer to it as infinite. But I wonder from a philosophical perception, could God possibly love us infinitely more than he loves himself?

The greatest commandments seem so profound, could they be called greatest, because they have a greatest meaning for God the Father, and the Son?
Blessings

Eric

Hi Eric

God’s love is not only infinite but perfect - which implies total identification with the beloved. So God would **seem **to love us infinitely more than He loves himself. Yet love for others liberates us from ourselves. The misery of hell results from the slavery of self-love.

Love does not end with the object of one’s love. Like a pebble thrown into a pool of still water it radiates outwards and encompasses everyone. Sometimes the truth is found in unlikely places and this is an instance. The motto of the Three Musketeers sums up the truth about perfect love with impressive simplicity: “One for all, all for one”. Human distinctions disappear. The joy of heaven is the result of perfect unity, freedom and harmony.

God bless.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Thanks for your replies.

Jesus said that all the law and the prophets of God hang on the greatest commandments, but could the forgiveness of sins also hang and depend on the greatest commandments?

When the people of Jerusalem shouted, crucify him; did Jesus forgive them, in order that he should still love them as he loved himself? When the soldiers scourged him, and nailed him to the cross, did he forgive them?
It seems that every time Jesus suffered injustice here on Earth, he forgave, in order that he should continue to love the sinners as he loved himself. After his resurrection does the divine nature of Jesus, follow his human nature? Or does the human nature of Jesus hang and depend on his divine nature?

When Jesus ascended into heaven, does Jesus still forgive us, in order that he should continue to love each and every one of us as he loves himself?

It seems that if the commandmetns are to be called greatest, then nothing should stand in their way, we can do nothing greater.

Just some thoughts

Blessings and peace be with you all

Eric

 

[tonyrey]

Thanks for your replies.

Jesus said that all the law and the prophets of God hang on the greatest commandments, but could the forgiveness of sins also hang and depend on the greatest commandments?

Yes, it cannot be otherwise.

When the people of Jerusalem shouted, crucify him; did Jesus forgive them, in order that he should still love them as he loved himself? When the soldiers scourged him, and nailed him to the cross, did he forgive them?

Yes because He knew they didn’t know what they were doing.

It seems that every time Jesus suffered injustice here on Earth, he forgave, in order that he should continue to love the sinners as he loved himself. After his resurrection does the divine nature of Jesus, follow his human nature? Or does the human nature of Jesus hang and depend on his divine nature?

They are one.

When Jesus ascended into heaven, does Jesus still forgive us, in order that he should continue to love each and every one of us as he loves himself?

He is infinitely merciful as well as infinitely loving.

It seems that if the commandments are to be called greatest, then nothing should stand in their way, we can do nothing greater.

That is the most important truth of all!

Blessings and peace be with you all, Eric

And with you!

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Here is a child like and yet profound way to test the power of the greatest commandments; when looking for a purpose for the creation of the universe and life.

Did God have a complete plan for the creation of everything, did he think ahead? Were Christ’s life, death and resurrection planned before the creation of the universe began?
To search for a deeper meaning, was Christ freely given the choice to accept his sacrifice before the creation of the universe began?
Would it mean that the Father had a purpose for man so great, that creation could not be achieved in any lesser way?
What purpose can be so great, that it would compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance that his son would die?
Would it be to forgive the sins of mankind, or can there be something greater?

Challenge your mind to find a greatest good purpose for creation; by searching for answers to some questions.

What greatest thing can God create?

God could create all the stars and planets of the universe; he then becomes God the builder.
God could create a whole variety of life with almost no intelligence like plants; he now becomes God the gardener’
God could create life with more intelligence but if the knowledge is limited he has now created the animal kingdom. He now becomes God the farmer.
God could create life in his own image, a life that could understand him. Can God create anything greater than life in his own image, does he now become God the Father.
Does the greatest thing that God creates, depend on the relationship that he can have with them?

What greatest purpose can God have to create children in his own image?

Could love be the greatest reason for God to create children?
Could the ultimate God be a God who loves in the greatest way?

God the Father willingly loves all of mankind as he loves HIMSELF.

Can there be any greater reason to create children, even for God, can God love us more than he loves himself??

To find a greatest purpose for all God’s children.

What greatest purpose could God set for humanity? Would it be for everyone to turn to His kind of religion and pray the way that he stipulates, or would it be to banish poverty, gain intellectual superiority, conquer sickness and death, and subdue the universe or is there more?

If the greatest reason God could have to create mankind, is to love us, as he loves himself, then God could create mankind, with the freedom to return God’s love

All of mankind to be created with the freedom to love God the creator unconditionally, are we given the greatest commandment as a guide for this very purpose?

God willingly loves everyone as he loves himself; do we also need this same freedom to love everyone in the same way, so that the truth can be complete for God and mankind.

All of mankind, to be created with the freedom to love their neighbour; as they love themselves unconditionally; are we given the second greatest commandment as a guide?

Is this how God wants his children to be one? He wants us to love each other as we love ourselves.

In a way, God loves us more than he loves himself, because he was willing to do what was good for us but not good for him (send his Son to die). In a sort of contradicting way, God loves himself more than us, because he knows that he is the greatest being in the universe and retains the power of heaven or hell over us.

When you ask the question; why did Christ say they are the greatest commandment, can it possibly be because God can do nothing greater?

Could the greatest commandments be a Greatest an Ultimate Truth?

If our greatest purpose for creation is to live by the greatest commandments, then this freedom to love also gives us the choice to do both good and evil.

Are the greatest commandments powerful enough, to compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance the costs involved?

We can marvel at the great attention to detail that is evident in everything from the tiniest single cell of life and right up to the giant structures of galaxies. Can you find any greater purpose for all this to exist? Challenge the above statements in your mind in an honest way, test them against any religious beliefs, and test them against any form of logic.

Blessings and peace be with you all

Eric

 

[paulinx]

There is no greatest or ultimate truth for God because God is the greatest or ultimate truth; God has in God’s life, in God’s very being, the greatest or ultimate truth such that God simply is the greatest or ultimate truth.

God does love Himself more than God loves creatures. One can speak of “infinitely” in different senses. One can say that God loves this or that creature infinitely in the sense of unfailingly or with perfection. So in the sense that God loves perfectly and everything perfectly, well everything and everyone is loved perfectly by God, including God’s self. However that does not mean God loves everything to the same degree or same way. God loves created persons, such as humans, more than God loves inanimate objects such as rocks in the sense that God apprehends and delights in the greater goodness present in humans more than in the lesser goodness present in inanimate objects and also in the sense that God who is the source of all goodness gives or has given more goodness to humans than to rocks. Since God is infinite goodness, God would delight in God’s own infinite goodness infinitely more than the goodness of any creature.

However, one could properly speak of God loving creature and Himself in the same infinite way in the sense that all creatures – even rocks – are loved in the single act of infinite goodness and love which defines or is God’s very being. It is not as though God in multiple acts loves different beings differently so much as in one single Act, God loves all things, including in how they are part of or relate to the whole which includes the infinite goodness which is God Himself.

If you define “love” as giving however then in a sense God only loves creatures, though some more than others. All creatures have goodness given to them in love by God, but God has goodness not as a gift but God simply is goodness. God is not the personification of goodness. Rather, goodness itself is a person. Because goodness is the fullness of goodness and as such is personal, not abstract. For the ground of goodness itself loves the good and thus is a person.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

When we say God’s love is infinite, it seems to have little meaning for me, because I cannot comprehend infinity.

When we look at the goodness of God the Father and God the Son, it seems a profound thought, that they could love us in the same way as they love themselves. We cannot compare ourselves to God, so how can he love us as he loves himself.

Blessings

Eric

 

[TimothyH]

I think the disciple whom Jesus loved addressed this…

*Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God. Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love. (1 John 4:7-8)*Tradition has it that Jonh, as he became elderly, used to say, “Children, if you wan’t to fulfill all of God’s commandments, love one another. If you do that, you will have done everything.” People got frustrated with John because that’s all he would say.

-Tim-