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Clement of Rome
Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobeys the things which have been said by him [Jesus] through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in no small danger. We, however, shall be innocent of this sin and will pray with entreaty and supplication that the Creator of all may keep unharmed the number of his elect (Letter to the Corinthians 58:2, 59:1[A.D. 95]).
Ignatius of Antioch
You [the See of Rome] have envied no one, but others have you taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instructions may remain in force (Epistle to the Romans 3:1 [A.D. 110]).
Irenaeus
But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles. Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [inter A.D. 180-190]).
Clement of Alexandria
[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? “Behold, we have left all and have followed you” [Matt. 19:2 7, Mark 10:28] (Who is the Rich Man That is Saved? 21:3-5 [A.D. 200]).
Tertullian
[T]he Lord said to Peter, “On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven” [Matt. 16:18-19]. … Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church; and whatever you shall have bound or you shall have loose
Letter of Clement to James
Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first-fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed; the called, and elect (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D, 221]).
Cyprian
With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the Chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (Epistle to Cornelius [Bishop of Rome] 59:14 [A.D. 252]).
The Lord says to Peter: “I say to you,” he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church” . . . On him he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was *, but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church? (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4 [A.D. 251]).
Cyril of Jerusalem
In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis [Acts 9 ;3 2-3 4]
Optatus
In the city of Rome the Episcopal chair was given first to Peter, the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head — that is why he is also called Cephas — of all the apostles, the one chair in which unity is maintained by all. Neither do the apostles proceed individually on their own, and anyone who would [presume to] set up another chair in opposition to that single chair would, by that very fact, be a schismatic and a sinner. . . . Recall, then, the origins of your chair, those of you who wish to claim for yourselves the title of holy Church" (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [circa A.D. 367]).
Ambrose of Milan
[Christ] made answer: “You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church . . .” Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]? (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]).
Augustine
Among these [apostles] Peter alone almost everywhere deserved to represent the whole Church. Because of that representation of the Church, which only he bore, he deserved to hear “I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Sermons 295:2 [A.D. 411]).*
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Of course very few of those early church fathers declare Peter is the rock, thus extending that sole authority to universal jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome alone. That teaching would take a few centuries to show up and even then disputed by the East.REALLY:shrug:
The Early Church Fathers on…
When I read them I hardly see that teaching rather what Roman Catholic apologists extrapolate from their words is their own modern interpretation.
I don’t think even RC apologists believe much of the testimony of the early church fathers.
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Of COURSE you don’t. And the reason you don’t is identical to why you and your fellow Protestants “to PROTEST”] are granted ONLY very limited ability to understand until and unless to turn BACK to God and accept HIS WAYS, His Church and HIS FAITH:shrug:
God Bless you,
Patrick
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So since I am Protestant I have turned away from God?
God Bless you,
Patrick
I find that offensive. Luckily your church and your popes teach no such thing.
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Both in a theological and a Moral sense; YES. WHY?
Because their is BUT One True God’
And even an ALMIGHTY GOD can and certainly does HAVE just One set of Faith beliefs.
Anything else is both impossible and illogical.
So too is the possibility that God could, would, or did wait some 1,500+ years for Martin Luther to make His necessarily singular true faith known.
And the idea that anyone can choose to TELL God how they will practice faith, or be saved
is at best a foolish pride-filled concept. One God, One Faith and One Church, is GOD"S WAY; God Will. Amen!
And YES, I can prove this point biblically.
May I suggest you read Heb. 6: 1-7; it was written precisely for former Catholics. And the term “IMPOSSIBLE” means until or unless one repents of the prideful action and returns to Christ One Church.
Nowhere my friend, can you find evidence in the bible that God even one time tolerated, allowed, permitted, accepted or was even indifferent to competing faiths.,
There simply is no justification for leaving the CC, which alone has and hold ALL of the KEY’ to heavens access. Mt. 16:15-19, Mt. 28: 16-20
And you’re wrong about what the CC Teaches. I can prove my point with the Catholic Catechism as well as the Code of Cannon Law if you’d like to do do.
Space is limited here. If you’d really like to see the evidence just send me a PM.
**I have NO intention to insult you. But I am morally obligated as a
Trained Catholic Catechist to share ALL of God’s truth. **
God BLESS you,
Patrick
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