Can this be said instead?

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I am not sure of the following…

Do the following words have to be said at communion:

“This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Happy are those who are called to his supper.”

Or can they be substituted for:

“This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Happy are we who are called together.”
 
by GIRM 24, the priest is duty bound to not alter the text of the Mass. your first quote is correct. he shouldn’t substitute anything else. i don’t have a copy of the actual rubrics, but if variation or improvisation were allowed, the general instruction would say so in the approiate place. in GIRM 157, 243, and 268, which deal with the elevation, no such provision is made.

IMHO, this sort of abuse isn’t serious (but all abuse matters.) i think this, and others like it, is a sign of an infectous ‘communitarianism’ running rampant in the Church. this sort of thing denies the full meaning of the Eucharist, and hence the Mass also. “we” and “together” are the buzz words in my mind. this also turns the people, who are present, in on themselves and ignores the universal liturgy of the Church and the fact that each Mass is offered for and with every member of the Body worldwide.
 
If its not in the rubrics, I doubt its allowed, though it’ll probably be done anyway.

Some people have said that the mass is the greatest prayer that the church has. I believe that, and I believe that most other people (Catholics at least) do to. If we are to take that statement seriously, if we are to take ourselves seriously, and if we are to take the church seriously…why in the world would anyone alter the words without permission. The rules are pretty simple, it doesn’t take much physical or mental effort to say called to his supper…its only one syllable longer.

Its like the whole blue-vestment-people-around-the-alter-at-the-wrong-time-glass-chalices issues. Whats the point? Blue vestments cost money and aren’t necessary in the least. The laws of physics seems to dictate that standing for a less amount of time by going up later (extraordinary ministers I mean) requires less work, and glass chalices are against the rules and pointless and cost money when you already have something thats perfectly fine. The only benefit for changing the words is the loss of a syllable. Hey, a priest could burn an extra calorie or 2 by saying that other syllable. Theres no real spiritual benefit otherwise.

Did I miss someone changing the rules? I must apologize if I got on the soapbox a bit, but this is a particular pet peeve of mine. People go through all this work to change things without permission when the benefit is zero.
 
Many priests don’t have any clue what humility means. They are going to say Mass their way and anyone who doesn’t like it can go pound sand.

The Mass belongs to the whole Church. It’s not the personal plaything of the priest. Some of these guys up there on the altar strutting and preening with their wireless mikes…ugh. :nope: However, the new Mass does lend itself to that “I’m on stage and this is a performance” mentality. Not all priests view it that way, thankfully.
 
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Cindybasket:
I am not sure of the following…

Do the following words have to be said at communion:

“This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Happy are those who are called to his supper.”

Or can they be substituted for:

“This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Happy are we who are called together.”
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They are improper and an abuse but do not invalidate anything.
 
That’s pretty much what I thought too, but we are new in this diocese.

I am debating on contacting the bishop as it seems that the few parishes we have to choose from all have some form of interesting things happening in them. We are even contemplating driving to the next state - it’s only about 45 miles away to see if it gets better.

I just really would like to go to mass and not have words added or changed and not be given the okay to be able to discern if we believe contraception is acceptable.
 
From RS: Notice we are to protect **from distortion **and all abuses.
  1. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
[183.]** In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.**

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.
 
Why go to the pastor first? It seems that he is actually looking at the lectionary right there on the altar and he still chooses to edit it. I can’t see why my little inquiry would do anything if it is there in black and white print.
 
no matter what, you have to give him an opportunity to explain himself prior to elevating it to the diocese. it is only fair. if you contact the diocese, they will ask if you have done this, and will most likely ask you to, before they proceed. no one is looking to hunt down and punish anyone. the point is to get things done correctly, and have everyone happy with each other in the end.
 
You should talk to the priest first, if he doesn’t listen, bring a friend and talk to him together, and if he still doesn’t listen then go to the Bishop, and start the process all over.
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.” (Matthew 18:15-17)
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It seems like the priest is focusing more on “togetherness” itself than on what brings us together. The Mass is the marriage supper of the Lamb of God (Jesus). The phrase “Behold the Lamb of God, Behold he who takes away the sin of the world, happy are those who are called to the supper of the Lamb” should be said in it’s entirety with no alterations whatsoever.
 
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