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PRmerger
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Does anyone have any statistics to back this up?
What does “statistically” even mean here?
Does that mean “per capita”?
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Does anyone have any statistics to back this up?
What does “statistically” even mean here?
Does that mean “per capita”?
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ProdglArchitect
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It’s just grandstanding. They don’t provide any statistics or sources, just make assertions.
As for the whole “More educated.” They certainly like to think they are. In general, more atheists tend to have a college degree (especially since many of them become atheists in college.)
Having a higher level of education doesn’t actually make you more intelligent or rational though.
As for the whole “More educated.” They certainly like to think they are. In general, more atheists tend to have a college degree (especially since many of them become atheists in college.)
Having a higher level of education doesn’t actually make you more intelligent or rational though.
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HerCrazierHalf
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Depends. The first claim about divorce takes a bit of maneuvering. It’s misleading but might be technically true.
Atheist have divorce rates within a few points of the general population. However, they are less likely to marry compared to many other religious groups. Fewer marriages = fewer divorces. So a random Christian is more likely to be divorced because they are more likely to have been married, a requirement to divorce.
Probably true but a pointless claim.
Atheist have divorce rates within a few points of the general population. However, they are less likely to marry compared to many other religious groups. Fewer marriages = fewer divorces. So a random Christian is more likely to be divorced because they are more likely to have been married, a requirement to divorce.
Probably true but a pointless claim.
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Wesrock
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If there is truth to the correlation, I suspect the meme misses the point. Such things would not be the result of being atheist, the person’s atheism would likely be “supported” by being better off in life. If you can be secure and successful and see it as entirely your own merits, what need have you of God? While certainly not applicable to each and every atheist out there, I’d suspect that would be a large, contributing reason for any statistical significance, should there be any correlation.
It’'s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle…
Plus, the insistence some groups have regarding literal historical interpretations that are at odds with what’s known in the sciences, and a failure to grasp what, while such interpretations have always existed, so have others. That holding that the Bible does not speak on the sciences is not just some new 20th century thing. It would therefore seem to them that their education in some fields are at odds with religion.
But this is all speculative on my part.
It’'s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle…
Plus, the insistence some groups have regarding literal historical interpretations that are at odds with what’s known in the sciences, and a failure to grasp what, while such interpretations have always existed, so have others. That holding that the Bible does not speak on the sciences is not just some new 20th century thing. It would therefore seem to them that their education in some fields are at odds with religion.
But this is all speculative on my part.
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Polycarp1
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I doubt that any of that is true or can be verified. The probably just polled the miniscule portion of Atheists who bother or care enough to join and belong to an atheism promoting group. Its funny that the people who do bother to belong to an atheism promoting group say they oppose religion while operating as one themselves. This poster is just an example of the atheist’s religion evangelizing.
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PRmerger
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And it would be, amusingly, a statement of faith, yes?
Not supported by any evidence?
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Wesrock
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Not that this helps much as I’m not linking anything, but I believe there is some correlation that’s the basis of this. Generally speaking, the more prosperous areas of the USA are less religious, healthier, and better educated, while the less prosperous are generally the inverse. That may be the basis here.
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PRmerger
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What about the “statistically” they have “less abortions”?
Is this because…more atheists are…
male?
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1Lord1Faith
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Of course the evidence was cited. Don’t you see the pie chart?
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Wesrock
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There will be objections to what I’m about to say, but safe-sex education “works” in reducing (in raw numbers) the number of unwanted pregnancies, if not in reducing (and in fact encouraging/licensing) immoral behavior. And the existence of such programs and access to contraceptives is correlated to other items noted in my last post.What about the “statistically” they have “less abortions”?
Is this because…more atheists are…
male?
In no way does my statement propose safe-sex education as a solution. We need a broader cultural shift, and a shift in how romantic/sexual relationships are portrayed in the media, if waiting until marriage and such are ever to be thought of as the norm again. Abstainance only education is unfortunately up against some titanic negative influences.
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PRmerger
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Randy_Carson
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Ahem.
“Well educated” should be “well-educated”.
And the last sentence is missing a period
But the real issue is causation.
Being “well educated” (sic), is probably the key to the whole meme. For example:
Women with college degrees are less likely to divorce than non-college graduates. (Source: pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/)
People with college degrees earn more money…which would make them more financially secure and less like to engage in criminal activity.
Married women have fewer abortions. (It is also a fact that 68% of atheists are male, so, yeah…)
Now, the point about having a “pregnant teenager” might also be related to family income since teenagers who engage in pre-marital sex are more likely to get pregnant if they cannot afford birth control or have access to the advice of a medical professional. (We don’t need to argue this point in this thread.)
As for “beating…children”, well, maybe poverty creates stress in a family that results in more domestic violence…violence that is reduced in families that are more affluent.
So, isn’t the meme really based upon the relationship between education and atheism?
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PRmerger
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Not sure what you’re saying here, as it applies to the question of whether it’s true that atheists per capita have less abortions?
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Wesrock
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Is the question “is a pregnant woman who is atheist less likely to get an abortion?” or simply “less abortions come from atheist women than religious?”
For example, maybe religious women abort a smaller percentage of babies than atheist women, but the numbers of religious women compared to atheist women with unwanted pregnancies is much higher, so even though they abort by a smaller percentage, the raw number ends up bigger.
I’m just musing, though. We might need to question self-identification of religion (or non-religion), too. I probably should refrain from further speculation until some data is posted.
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John_Lazarus
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I’d say the meme is even more true for Shakers.
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adamhovey1988
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Picture on the interwebs without citing sources (as far as I can tell, it’s a bit blurry). Also, who is god? I worship the only God in existence, not one of many.
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Charlemagne_III
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The bottom line is that you can’t say you are better of without God if the statistics show that atheists are more likely to commit suicide than theists.
conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_suicide
Aborting America: The Story of an Ex-Abortionist and Ex-Atheist by Bernard Nathanson documents Nathanson’s career as an atheist abortionist. He later converted to Christ and actively sought to atone for the 75,000 deaths through abortion that he claimed to have been responsible for.
I have worked in prison ministry for 18 years and I know from personal experience that the vast majority of prisoners are practical atheists who may have been baptized but never saw the inside of a Church since the time of life when they were old enough to refuse to enter one.
Statistically more Christians are divorced than atheists, not because atheists make better spouses, but because there are vastly more Christians than there are atheists.
Atheists are not better educated. They are just better at pretending to be better educated.
To argue that atheists are less likely to beat their children is equivalent to saying they are less likely to be violent, which contradicts the statistics on atheist suicides.
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PRmerger
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And I keep seeing the pic and thinking it’s a cartoon of a pregnant woman. Hugely pregnant.
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PRmerger
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And I’m pretty sure that each and every murderer is an atheist by virtue of his/her actions.
If he really believed in God, he wouldn’t dare to do such an act.
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adamhovey1988
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It does look like a pregnant woman…
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