Can this meme by an atheist organization be vetted?

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Does anyone have any statistics to back this up?

What does “statistically” even mean here?

Does that mean “per capita”?
I would not take any stock in this, they can say anything they want.

But what amazes me is how can you say you are better without God when you do not even believe in him or follow him.

A Christian could prove this completely wrong simply by saying they could be so much better with God. It would not only be a true statement, but something they could not even argue or dispute!😃
 
And I’m pretty sure that each and every murderer is an atheist by virtue of his/her actions.

If he really believed in God, he wouldn’t dare to do such an act.
First, second or third degree?

I think that we should make a list of all the things that would disqualify you from being Christian. All those things that if they really believed in God, they wouldn’t dare do.

Maybe like contraception. Or abortion. Or sex outside marriage.

Gee, all those Catholics have no idea that they are actually atheists.
 
First, second or third degree?

I think that we should make a list of all the things that would disqualify you from being Christian. All those things that if they really believed in God, they wouldn’t dare do.

Maybe like contraception. Or abortion. Or sex outside marriage.

Gee, all those Catholics have no idea that they are actually atheists.
Nope. Never done any of those sins.
 
First, second or third degree?

I think that we should make a list of all the things that would disqualify you from being Christian. All those things that if they really believed in God, they wouldn’t dare do.

Maybe like contraception. Or abortion. Or sex outside marriage.

Gee, all those Catholics have no idea that they are actually atheists.
But to your point, yes, each and every time we sin we do indeed choose hell, which is, in essence, choosing atheism.

Which is why, in answer to the question: who in the world would choose hell…the answer is: we do, each and every time we sin.
 
I can tell you the prison one is very true. 0.07% of the prison population are atheist.
Also, not to be difficult, but I’d like to use the standard that atheists use for evidence.

That seems fair, no?

So for the source that backs up your claim that .07% of prisoners are atheists, I’d like 4 independent corroborating documents that these folks are actually atheists.

And something, preferably, written in first hand that states, “I am an atheist”.

For, of course, we could always say, “This person never actually said he was an atheist. His followers just said he was.”
 
Also, not to be difficult, but I’d like to use the standard that atheists use for evidence.

That seems fair, no?

So for the source that backs up your claim that .07% of prisoners are atheists, I’d like 4 independent corroborating documents that these folks are actually atheists.

And something, preferably, written in first hand that states, “I am an atheist”.

For, of course, we could always say, “This person never actually said he was an atheist. His followers just said he was.”
When someone is incarecerated, there are forms to be filled in. Next of kin, age, previous address etc. They are also asked the religion with which they self identify. You can obtain this information via the Freedon of Information Act. Which, to save you some time, someone already has done: fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-prisoners-less-likely-to-be-atheists/

What you will then have is list of prisoners and the religion that they have nominated obtained from a signed declaration by each prisoner.

Most reasonable people would accept this as being an accurate representation as to what percentage of federal prisoners self identify with a particular belief system.

If you don’t think they can be Christian because they have done something wrong, then we can start that list up again to see who is actually Christian and who is not.
 
Most reasonable people would accept this as being an accurate representation as to what percentage of federal prisoners self identify with a particular belief system.
Interesting.

And most reasonable people accept that God exists.

So, do we go by what reasonable people assert, or do we discard what reasonable people assert?

Pick one, and then we can run with it. 🙂
 
I can tell you the prison one is very true. 0.07% of the prison population are atheist.
As Mark Twain said: “There are lies, damned lies, and statistic.”

Are you aware of how ludicrous it would be for prisoners who are atheists to admit they are atheists when they know the parole board is looking over their records?

My experience in many years of prison ministry is that most prisoners have little use for religion, which helps to explain why the recidivism rate for that group is so high…

The ones who do have use for it have a lower recidivism (return to crime and prison) rate.

Check the facts.

pewforum.org/2012/03/22/prison-chaplains-exec/
 
Are you aware of how ludicrous it would be for prisoners who are atheists to admit they are atheists when they know the parole board is looking over their records?
So, speaking from your experience, as American parole boards discriminate unjustly in favor of Christians, do Muslims and other faiths also feel a need to pretend to be Christian?
 
If there is truth to the correlation, I suspect the meme misses the point. Such things would not be the result of being atheist, the person’s atheism would likely be “supported” by being better off in life. If you can be secure and successful and see it as entirely your own merits, what need have you of God? While certainly not applicable to each and every atheist out there, I’d suspect that would be a large, contributing reason for any statistical significance, should there be any correlation.

It’'s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle…

Plus, the insistence some groups have regarding literal historical interpretations that are at odds with what’s known in the sciences, and a failure to grasp what, while such interpretations have always existed, so have others. That holding that the Bible does not speak on the sciences is not just some new 20th century thing. It would therefore seem to them that their education in some fields are at odds with religion. 🤷

But this is all speculative on my part.
I think you are right. Correlation does not imply causation.

The most important fact in that list is education. If you are reasonably well educated then the others points fall into place. For example, the jails are mostly full of people who haven’t had an opportunity to earn a good living. So even if there is a small tendency for those who are better educated to be atheists, then everything else falls into place.

And like it or not, there is a correlation between IQ and belief. fringe.davesource.com/Fringe/Religion/Average-intelligence-predicts-atheism-rates-across-137-nations-Lynn-et-al.pdf
 
I think you are right. Correlation does not imply causation.

The most important fact in that list is education. If you are reasonably well educated then the others points fall into place. For example, the jails are mostly full of people who haven’t had an opportunity to earn a good living. So even if there is a small tendency for those who are better educated to be atheists, then everything else falls into place.

And like it or not, there is a correlation between IQ and belief. fringe.davesource.com/Fringe/Religion/Average-intelligence-predicts-atheism-rates-across-137-nations-Lynn-et-al.pdf
I must ask what the religious background of the people conducting the polls is, because there is this fun thing called confirmation bias. I have Aspergers Syndrome, and have a high average IQ. What does that prove? It proves I’ve had an IQ test that’s it. I’m also wondering if they ask people what their religious beliefs were when they took the IQ tests because mine were never asked on any of the three IQ tests I’ve taken because they don’t seem to ask questions like that. My guess is that when they do a correlation between religious views and IQ they’re basing it on what they say their IQ is and not what it actually is. My IQ tests were done with actual people in an actual building and not on the internet. For the record, my mother has a genius-level IQ (146) and my father did too, neither of them atheist well my father’s dead and he was Lutheran anyway (IQ 140). I am no genius, but I am not stupid and I wasn’t raised by people who are stupid. I know you’re not going to like this but you are not smarter than Augustine of Hippo or Thomas Aquinas. I am not either. I find a serious lack of humility in your post.
 
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