Can u use logic 2 understand scripture and the holy spirit

[Logical2]

Does the holy spirit use natural logic to understand the scripture interpretation for you, how does the holy spirit communicate with you?

 

[eddie_too]

the Holy Spirit communicates with me through the successors to the apostles who are the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church.

while the communications i have received from the Holy Spirit through the teachings of the RCC are well supported by logic, reason, history and facts, the Holy Spirit’s communications to me are at their foundation dependent upon my faith and the faith of the magisterium of the RCC in Jesus Christ and His Gospel.

i am uncertain what distinctions you might make between “natural logic” and logic. all logic is of human origin.

while it is fair to say God is logical, logic itself is a creation of man made possible through the divine gift of human reason.

 

[porthos11]

Does the holy spirit use natural logic to understand the scripture interpretation for you, how does the holy spirit communicate with you?

Absolutely. Logic is part of reason and is rightly called Philosophy 101. Logic is essential to the proper interpretation of scripture but as with all things of the faith, it is not the exclusive faculty at the expense of all else. We also require faith, prayer and contemplation to fully benefit from the Scriptures. And all this within the living tradition of the Church. For as long as we stay within the bounds defined by the Church, we’re on good ground.

But yes, logic is a significant part of it.

 

[jane_doe]

Does the holy spirit use natural logic to understand the scripture interpretation for you, how does the holy spirit communicate with you?

Logic is one of the tools of the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit has certainly communicated with me that way. Other ways include simply through the heart; I commonly hear the Spirit through peace in my heart.

 

[perpetual200]

God created the human mind and the brain. Logic is what it is because it cannot be otherwise. We grasp its fundamental truths through a primary intuition. We don’t arrive at the truth using logic, because even if we reason correctly, we do not know what the proper premises are to reason from. Same with Scripture. We ca misunderstand the language of Scripture and thus be trying to think logically with a false premise, or comparing passages out of their context.

 

[Pulvis]

God created the human mind and the brain. Logic is what it is because it cannot be otherwise. We grasp its fundamental truths through a primary intuition. We don’t arrive at the truth using logic, because even if we reason correctly, we do not know what the proper premises are to reason from. Same with Scripture. We ca misunderstand the language of Scripture and thus be trying to think logically with a false premise, or comparing passages out of their context.

Well said. Some have made “Shipwreck” by over analyzing scripture when it merely means what it says.Others attempt to rationalize the scriptures to fit their predetermined theological position.

 

[gazelam]

Does the holy spirit use natural logic to understand the scripture interpretation for you, how does the holy spirit communicate with you?

Romans 8:11 If the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also, through his Spirit that dwells in you.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God

Both of the above verses indicate that the Holy Spirit communicates directly with us. Here are some ways that we Latter-day Saints believe the Holy Spiirit communicates with us.

comforts us, teaches us, and reminds us (John 14:26, D&C 42:17, D&C 39:6)
guides us to truth and shows us things to come (John 16:13)
testifies of Christ (John 15:26, 1 Corinthians 12:3, 3 Nephi 28:11, D&C 20:27, D&C 42:17)
speaks truth to our heart and our mind (D&C 8:2)
enlightens the mind and fill the soul with joy (D&C 11:13)
unfolds to us the mysteries of God (1 Nephi 10:19)
carries the word of God into the hearts of those we teach (2 Nephi 33:1)
sanctifies us (3 Nephi 27:20)
causes your heart to “burn” (Luke 24:32)
communicates to us as a “still small voice” (1 Kings 19:12)

I hope this helps…

 

[Tarquin]

Does the holy spirit use natural logic to understand the scripture interpretation for you, how does the holy spirit communicate with you?

The answer seems obvious to me. If “natural logic” is insufficient to understand “scripture interpretation,” then “scripture interpretation” lacks “natural logic.” I cannot believe that God is illogical, but I do realize that “scripture interpretation” need not be literal, therefore not need to follow the logic of literalism. Scripture interpretation may be symbolic, metaphorical, or metaphysical. Those appear “illogical” to some people.

The biggest problem I see, is that what people call “logic,” and are so confident that is what they use when analyzing and evaluating, is actually a combination of rationality and rationalization - a little bit of logic, and a considerably larger bit of strongly held personal belief. I believe it is impossible to be completely logical. We twist evidence and so-called reasoning to fit certain ultimate beliefs we have. So, communist think Marx is supremely logical; libertarians, maybe Mencke; capitalists, Adam Smith; atheists, Dawkins, Intelligent Design advocates, Meyer and Dembski; Darwinists, Darwin. Catholics, the Popes; Mormons, the President-Prophets; Muslims, the Quran. Isn’t it possible that all of them are moved more by prejudice than by logic? I think those who have changed the most are the most likely to have been moved by logic and evidence, with the minimum of personal belief - Antony Flew, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Peter Hitchens, Lee Strobel, and many more.

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[Rhubarb]

What do you mean by “natural logic”? Logic is one of those words that people use for various different ideas.

 

[Reuben_J]

Does the holy spirit use natural logic to understand the scripture interpretation for you, how does the holy spirit communicate with you?

As far as the scripture is concerned, there is nothing new in it. It has been around for nearly two thousand years. Every book and verse of the Bible has been interpreted. If you found something new in it, you are probably making it up yourself and therefore understand it not as how the authors of the scripture meant it.

The Scripture, however, is a living word. In that sense it speaks to you as an individual and can be used to teach you to address the events in your personal life. That you can do effectively if you allow the Holy Spirit to tell you. One does this by surrendering or rather, by being docile to the Holy Spirit.

As for logic, yes, because truth is logical except that you have to know what is the truth first. And only the original Church, the original people who started the Church would be good references as to what the truth is.

Otherwise, it will be just your own truth if it is deviating to the belief of the original Church.

God bless.

 

[Peter_J]

The answer seems obvious to me. If “natural logic” is insufficient to understand “scripture interpretation,” then “scripture interpretation” lacks “natural logic.” I cannot believe that God is illogical, but I do realize that “scripture interpretation” need not be literal, therefore not need to follow the logic of literalism. Scripture interpretation may be symbolic, metaphorical, or metaphysical. Those appear “illogical” to some people.

The biggest problem I see, is that what people call “logic,” and are so confident that is what they use when analyzing and evaluating, is actually a combination of rationality and rationalization - a little bit of logic, and a considerably larger bit of strongly held personal belief. I believe it is impossible to be completely logical. We twist evidence and so-called reasoning to fit certain ultimate beliefs we have. So, communist think Marx is supremely logical; libertarians, maybe Mencke; capitalists, Adam Smith; atheists, Dawkins, Intelligent Design advocates, Meyer and Dembski; Darwinists, Darwin. Catholics, the Popes; Mormons, the President-Prophets; Muslims, the Quran. Isn’t it possible that all of them are moved more by prejudice than by logic? I think those who have changed the most are the most likely to have been moved by logic and evidence, with the minimum of personal belief - Antony Flew, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Peter Hitchens, Lee Strobel, and many more.

Interesting, interesting.