Can we date the events in Genesis?

[grannymh]

Extrapolating backwards. Doesn’t that presuppose a uniformity of conditions throughout a very long period of time? Radioactive decay is one thing, but that’s a relatively simple process.

Extrapolating is a really great word.

Those who read natural science research papers, know from experience, that the evidence has to warrant the conclusion.

What those clever science interpreters do – you know the arm chair variety who wish
to slip human nature backwards into the time of mythology which concludes that you and me descended from a figure of speech – is to extrapolate a simple conclusion to the universal exclusion.

Unfortunately, few people know that the extrapolated universal still has to be in keeping with the actual evidence from methods and materials.

 

[buffalo]

The age of this lovely being nicknamed Eve is useless since she is one of many mysterious beings living with her.

Catholic teaching is that the first Eve was immediately recognizable as a human person.

I realize that all you scientific experts are interested in age of this and age of that using this evolution clock or that evolution clock…

Looks like you don’t believe that God is capable of creation.

What???

Here is the definition of IDvolution
** What is IDvolution? **

**IDvolution **- God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.

This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).
IDvolution considers the latest science and is consistent with the continuous teaching of the Church.

 

[grannymh]

I said “average”. That means that we are looking at fixation rates for a lot of genes, and non-genetic material, in different parts of our genome. Rates vary depending on many things, and we can select different parts depending on what we want to measure.** the parts used for DNA fingerprinting change too rapidly for any long term dating.** Cytochrome-C changes too slowly for anything in the human range, it is unchanged since we diverged from our LCA with the chimps.

Conditions are not uniform, hence the different rates in different places. These different rates are known and are measured.

rossum

Please – citation or source for the parts used for DNA fingerprinting change too rapidly for any long term dating.

 

[grannymh]

Well, you put two mice together (a male and a female) and they will be progenitors of a whole lot of mice before too long.

Now, I know why women ask men – Are you a man or a mouse?

 

[rossum]

Please – citation or source for the parts used for DNA fingerprinting change too rapidly for any long term dating.

See How does DNA Fingerprinting Work? for an introduction.

rossum

 

[grannymh]

I said “average”. That means that we are looking at fixation rates for a lot of genes, and non-genetic material, in different parts of our genome. Rates vary depending on many things, and we can select different parts depending on what we want to measure. the parts used for DNA fingerprinting change too rapidly for any long term dating. Cytochrome-C changes too slowly for anything in the human range, it is unchanged since we diverged from our LCA with the chimps.

Conditions are not uniform, hence the different rates in different places. These different rates are known and are measured.

rossum

See How does DNA Fingerprinting Work? for an introduction.

rossum

Thank you for the article. It looks very interesting from my brief scan. I will read it deeper later.

Hopefully, it will give the research citation for the parts used for DNA fingerprinting change too rapidly for any long term dating. Assuming that this is human DNA.

However, I am very cautious about this disclaimer at the end.

“Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.”

 

[grannymh]

Thank you for the article. It looks interesting from a brief scan. Will read deeper later.

Hopefully, it will give the research citation for the parts used for DNA fingerprinting change too rapidly for any long term dating. Assuming that it is human fingerprinting.

However, I am very cautious about this disclaimer at the end.

“Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.”

 

[farpinho]

However, I am very cautious about this disclaimer at the end.

“Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.”

Isn’t that just a standard disclaimer to any article?

 

[grannymh]

Isn’t that just a standard disclaimer to any article?

Correct.

This is exactly why I prefer real, published research papers over articles.

As you know, articles do not have to include all pertinent facts.

Knowing the difference between articles and a published paper detailing both methods *and *materials, both evidence and conclusion, is why I am not intimidated by those who wave the flag against the reality of Adam and Eve.

 

[farpinho]

Correct.

This is exactly why I prefer real, published research papers over articles.

As you know, articles do not have to include all pertinent facts.

Knowing the difference between articles and a published paper detailing both methods *and *materials, both evidence and conclusion, is why I am not intimidated by those who wave the flag against the reality of Adam and Eve.

 

[grannymh]

HGT and epigentics. I suspect more will be found on this.

Syncytin-A and syncytin-B, two fusogenic placenta-specific murine envelope genes of retroviral origin conserved in Muridae

Recently, we and others have identified two human endogenous retroviruses that entered the primate lineage 25–40 million years ago and that encode highly fusogenic retroviral envelope proteins (syncytin-1 and -2), possibly involved in the formation of the placenta syncytiotrophoblast layer generated by trophoblast cell fusion at the materno–fetal interface.

The above is the opening sentence of the Abstract.

The abstract is a summary of points (as of a writing) usually presented in skeletal form. (Source: Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition)

Two important things to consider when reading this abstract are:

1. The use of the word “possibly” as in “possibly involved in the formation of the placenta…”

Possibly is an appropriate word in natural science research. To understand how “possibly” is used in this paper, one has to go to the methods, materials, and conclusion(s) in the paper itself.

Interpreters of science will often pair up improbable and impossible. For example, something may be improbable, but not impossible.

For me, personally, the use of the word “possibly” indicates considerable time and effort has been put into this research. I have immediate deep respect for the scientists. The use of “possibly” opens the door to additional avenues of gaining knowledge.

Toward the bottom of the link, there is this information:
“Data deposition: The sequences reported in this paper have been deposited in the GenBank database (accession nos. AY849973–AY849976 for the mouse, rat, vole, and hamster syncytin-A, respectively; and AY849977–AY849981 for the mouse, rat, gerbil, vole, and hamster syncytin-B, respectively).”

I point this out because in previous years, I have often referred to GenBank as a valuable source of genetic information open to all.

An “Adam and Eve” example of new “genetic” sources being made available is that current scientists are looking at methods and conclusions in the 1995 research by Francisco J. Ayala by using different areas of focus now possible. Whether or not the conclusions of current studies are valid is not the point. The point is that sources like GenBank have opened up new possibilities in the study of human origin.

1. “that entered the primate lineage 25–40 million years ago.”

It is not my intention to debate this statement. I simply pose common sense questions. "What is the hard data that existed 25-40 million years ago? How was this hard data gathered? What would be contamination factors, if any? What is the corroborating data?
et cetera.