Can We Get Catholics to Sing? - Part Deux

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Haha! I have the same problem. And my friend says I sound like Robert Goulet… I’d much prefer to be compared to Groban or Buble!
I personally think Robert Goulet had a much nicer tone quality and sound than Groban or Buble, but that’s just my opinion. I saw him perform when he was an old man as King Arthur in “Camelot” back was when I was a little girl and I remember his voice sounded beautiful even as an old guy. Maybe he wasn’t as old as I thought he was. 😛 Now, my grandmother had a major crush on Goulet. She loved his voice and blue eyes. My husband thinks they all sound cheesy. 🤷 Ok, maybe Goulet was cheesy as well as Groban and Buble, but I don’t care. haha!
 
Haha! I have the same problem. And my friend says I sound like Robert Goulet… I’d much prefer to be compared to Groban or Buble!
I would love to sound like Josh Groban or Michael Buble, but alas, I am a tenor one, and I sound like Bono.
 
I didn’t say singing at Mass was. I said the expectation that everybody sing at Mass was.

Personally, I like singing. But I don’t sing because I’m not good at it. Most people, I suspect, aren’t. And I’d much prefer to have silence than to listen to bad music, or rather music made bad by the participation of lots of people who have no business singing anything ever. 🙂
Some people don’t have business singing in the choir, but I believe everyone can and should be encouraged to sing, not just at Mass, but at home. Singing is such a gift from God and one doesn’t have to have a good voice to sing praises to God.

Generally speaking, the more one sings, the better one gets. 👍
 
I personally think Robert Goulet had a much nicer tone quality and sound than Groban or Buble, but that’s just my opinion. I saw him perform when he was an old man as King Arthur in “Camelot” back was when I was a little girl and I remember his voice sounded beautiful even as an old guy. Maybe he wasn’t as old as I thought he was. 😛 Now, my grandmother had a major crush on Goulet. She loved his voice and blue eyes. My husband thinks they all sound cheesy. 🤷 Ok, maybe Goulet was cheesy as well as Groban and Buble, but I don’t care. haha!
Bob Goulet was born in '33. He toured playing King Arthur when he was 59-60.
 
I have read some of the posts, but not all.

I think getting Catholic parishes to sing depends on two things:
  1. The nature of the parish.
  2. The kinds of songs people are asked to sing.
My parish is in the Ozarks. Many of the parishioners are rural people, and not at all shy or self-conscious. The music director (just one of the parishioners who does it on the side) does a lot of hymns during Mass; more than in most parishes. It’s interesting to hear what happens, depending on the selections.

a. Many of the songs from the eternally unchanging hymnbook date from a period which many remember fondly, particularly in urban areas, but which really didn’t have much currency here. I’m talking about the 1970s and 1980s kinda, sorta folk song type hymns. Folk song music just didn’t have a lot of popularity in places like this during their heyday, and aren’t popular in places like this now. Lots of them are tough to sing as well. Some ask too much of male voices. Some have these odd changes of melody and key. When those songs are the ones chosen, few people sing, and certainly few men do.

b. Some of the songs are classic or historical. Interestingly, some of the really old hymns of German or Irish origin are well sung. If the date at the bottom is 1700 something or other, probably people will sing it. More interestingly, one of the most avidly sung is one by Mozart. It has lots of notes (“too many notes”) but people seem to like going up and down them.

c. Some of the most strongly sung are a few of the “old” Catholic songs; the “Mary” songs, “Holy God We Praise Thy Name” shakes the walls. Interestingly, some of the old Protestant songs are well sung. The words are not mincy and precious like some of the 70s and 80s songs. The melodies are logical and within a good range. But perhaps most of all, this area is Bible Belt, and Catholics like me could hardly turn on a radio without hearing old Gospel songs. They have melodies and words that stay in the head, and people know them and are glad to sing them out loud.

So, I think a lot varies with locale. I also think (and I’ll get lambasted here, I expect) some have stood the test of time because their lyrics are strongly meaningful and the melodies make sense in the brain. Some, however, have stood the test of time only because they’re in the book and nobody thinks to weed through them. Because music directors try to follow themes related to the Mass, some of the worst just get selected over and over again in a kind of cycle. If you ask me, 90% of the Marty Haugen, Daniel Schutte and St. Louis Jesuits songs ought to be pitched. They’re just not any good and nobody wants to sing them, including me.

It’s kind of amusing to see how the music director copes with it. She sometimes ends up singing solos because of some unfortunate selection. At other times, the singing is extremely strong. It is, I guess, the only way people have of letting her know what they like and what they don’t without confronting her directly about it.

I’ll admit there have been times when I have gone up to her after Mass and complimented her on her selections. But I won’t complain about the bad ones. Her job is hard enough.
 
Generally speaking, the more one sings, the better one gets. 👍
Absolutely. I gre up as a young man in a Baptist Church singing in the choir from my youth. The adult men there helped carry me as I learned. I still try to draft people this way. Unless one is tone deaf, they will eventually be abled to sing and even read music just be doing it. OJT, baby. OJT.
 
Haha! I have the same problem. And my friend says I sound like Robert Goulet… I’d much prefer to be compared to Groban or Buble!
ROBERT GOULEEEEETTTTT

Also, I tend to sing very, very quietly when it’s a song I don’t know. If I know the song, I am familiar and comfortable with it, and sing much more loudly! Hence why I am much more comfortable singing in the Life Teen Mass, I know all the songs from the radio.
 
Bob Goulet was born in '33. He toured playing King Arthur when he was 59-60.
lol! Well, he wasn’t that old then. But everyone past the age of 30 looks “old” to a kid. At the show I saw he actually forgot his lines in one part and everyone, including him, just started laughing, then the audience gave him a huge round of applause. I guess at that age and his level of celebrity it didn’t matter.

Ok back to the topic…
 
True.😛

Seriously, though…it has been a while since I read it, but in the book, “Why Catholics Can’t Sing” by Thomas Day, I recall a section which talks about how many American Catholics tend to come from an Irish Catholic culture. Irish Catholics were persecuted for centuries, so they really did not build up a culture of even singing the mass as it had to be done in secret. Thus, mostly low masses without music. They did bring to the new world their folk songs and such, but singing at mass was foreign to them.

I’ll try to find a summary of the book and post here. I read it in college and thought it was excellent.
Goo point! It’s been a few generations since my ancestors had to worry about hiding in hedgerows. Now I want to read your book!
 
I am a music minister at a small rural parish. We love to sing because we plan our selections with a frequency of repetition. The key ( no pun intended) is familiarity! Why does the congregation sing the “old standards”? Because they were so frequently used! We sing a wide variety of styles mostly from OCP hymnals. When I introduce a new selection, regardless of style, we use it only after the choir (all 14 of us) know it cold… Then it is introduced prior to mass as a catechetical exercise a week before its introduction into the liturgy. When it’s finally introduced, it is used for at least two weeks. It may be used as a gathering song, at the presentation of the gifts, and if appropriate, for the communion procession.

It takes planning, practice and an artful introduction. Our ensemble of two acoustic guitars, piano, bass and mandolin and various woodwinds and brass learn it and also OWN it!

Our pastor and others in the entrance procession also sing, even carrying the hymnal if necessary. All of the mass “parts” are sung. We sing three different settings and use only one per liturgical season. No mixing and matching.

A hint about the old “standards,” many of them were written in keys that the average person cannot sing without using falsetto or “head” tones. Where possible, they can be transposed near the ky of G, the so-called peoples key…

Just a few thoughts from a 35 year church musician…hope this helps
 
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