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Kaninchen
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Though sometimes, reading some people, it’s possible to wonder whether the more extreme might have a point!
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edwest2
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Here’s some history:
jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/feminist2.html
It’s all there. The destruction and open warfare I refer to was the sounds of families being ripped apart.
God bless,
Ed
jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/feminist2.html
It’s all there. The destruction and open warfare I refer to was the sounds of families being ripped apart.
God bless,
Ed
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Kaninchen
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Ah, I only have to see the words ‘New World Order’ to reach for my ZOG membership card.
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lifeisbeautiful
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Lol, what’s so horrible with this? I wish I could have everything perfect when my dh got home from work. Unfortunately I am still working on that one, with a 2 yr old that only lasts a few minutes at a time dressed
and a one yr old that loves to run around and explore.
That may have been them. My 2 grandmas who lived in different cultures, of different religions, different upbringings, both went to college and graduated with degrees in the medical field. One was a nurse, the other a medical technician. They waited to find the right one to marry both had very long and happy marriages. The medical technician stopped working the day they married to be a homemaker, while the nurse became involved in local politics etc. They were both happy with the choices they made. I guess I am trying to point out that what your family was pointing out didn’t apply to everyone.
Some of these fields are more “family friendly” than others. I have a degree in Engineering, but am looking into Education because if I do take a job while my kids are little i would want to work only while they are in school, and teaching is a good field for this. I could get discounts at school and be involved in their education. Just some benefits I directly observed from having a mother that was a teacher. I might go back to Engineering or Med school after my kids are old, but who knows how long that may take. I am just saying that some women that work try to find jobs that suit their needs. Also, men and women are different. There are some general areas where men are better (for example in hard labor, lifting heavy items etc) while women are better in others, just because of how God made us. With that said, I do agree that it is important for women to be present in many fields, that a woman’s perspective and touch is something that would benefit society in every area and aspect. I guess my point is, there are basic general differences in men and women, and rather than this being a handicap this is a benefit for society in general. It is also important to point out that though different, men and women are equal in dignity and deserve the equal respect and compensation (ie pay) for their contributions, and I do believe that there is still work left to do in this area.
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edwest2
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You seem to have missed the part about Gloria Steinem wanting to tear the whole country down. Point is, too many people believed in what she had to say for all the wrong reasons. NOW may have started with some good goals but it mutated into what it is today: a destroyer of marriages and an enemy to reconciliation and understanding between men and women.
God bless,
Ed
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Kaninchen
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OutinChgoburbs
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And you are quite correct- and also pleasant as usual.
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OutinChgoburbs
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The man who runs this site is not Catholic. He uses scripture out of context. It is his use of scripture to push his agenda that conerns me.
Catholics are not “Bible Only” but take also into account Tradition with a captial T (as opposed to a small t). Catholics should not use scripture out of context, and always balance it with doctrine.
I could very logically open a web site and post that the sky is blood red, based on scripture taken out of context. It wouldn’t make me right.
While Gloria Steinem may not be the model for womanhood, and there was great harm done in so-called “reproductive freedom”, the Catholic model for a marriage is certainly not only a man working to provide for the family, and the woman not knowing how to support herself, or women being paid less than men. In fact, there have been more than one encyclical written on the role of women, equal pay for equal work, etc. None of them demanded that women stay home with their children, or that women go out to work at a job, or that women receive more or less pay than men for the same jobs.
I do not want to go back to the 1950s or 1960s for those very reasons- that, and I look horrible in shirtwaists and tent dresses.
I also don’t want to go back to those times because cars are now safer. Housework is more convenient and in some cases much easier. Cancer is treatable in a lot of cases, instead of an automatic death senstence. Kids don’t even have to get chicken pox nowadays. I think that’s wonderful.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Told you not to wave the race card at me.
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OutinChgoburbs
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I’m sorry, but you don’t get to tell her what to say or what not to say. She was not being antagonistic.
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leonie
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To change the subject a little, what do you think of the Catholic culture of the 50’s versus now?
I know we had a big population of clergy. And, generally Catholics associated pretty much with other Catholics in the same neighborhood. And, most kids went to Catholic schools.
I’m sure there was a better catechesis and better obedience. My dad says that everybody went to confession on Saturday.
But, I also have the impression that there was a lot of inattention at Mass–people saying their rosaries instead of participating. Plus, I imagine there was a complacency about the faith.
I know we had a big population of clergy. And, generally Catholics associated pretty much with other Catholics in the same neighborhood. And, most kids went to Catholic schools.
I’m sure there was a better catechesis and better obedience. My dad says that everybody went to confession on Saturday.
But, I also have the impression that there was a lot of inattention at Mass–people saying their rosaries instead of participating. Plus, I imagine there was a complacency about the faith.
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Newzie52
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And isn’t that a scary thought, for the most part?
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dwc
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You would have to appreciate the context to appreciate the meaning. I understand what you’re saying --I would love to have been able to get it all together in that manner, too. I couldn’t, because in order to do that I would have had to really be harsh with my little ones so that they would sit around doing nothing but looking pretty until dad came home. My husband understood that toddlers and little ones are just that and he didn’t expect any sort of perfection from them. He loved them as they are and he loved me, messy hair and sometimes messy house and rambuctious kids that we have.Lol, what’s so horrible with this? I wish I could have everything perfect when my dh got home from work. Unfortunately I am still working on that one, with a 2 yr old that only lasts a few minutes at a time dressed
My mom’s motivation was the fear that she wouldn’t be a good enough wife and mother and that my dad would be upset and think she was lacking in some way because she let their children be free to be children. In my childhood, my mom was completely dependent on my dad being happy. If he decided to leave for greener pastures she was up a creek without a paddle and she knew it.
Do you understand the difference in motivation? You are secure and confident in your position in the world. You choose to stay home with your children and you want to make your home happy and welcoming for your beloved husband. That’s wonderful and as it should be (but don’t be hard on yourself if you can’t achieve perfection – we all try and fail – it’s those wild children!) Your motivation is not fear of your husband finding you lacking because you were not able to obtain some unreasonable standard of domestic perfection.
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I have to address this canard first because it is pervasive among both women and men.
At one time, men were paid a “family wage”, with the understanding that they were the sole supporters of their families. Typically, women did not seek employment in traditionally male careers but those who did may have been paid less. Employers may have worked from the principal that a women would only be in the work force for a limited number of years, until she married and went on the raise a family. Making a financial investment in women back in the 50’s and 60’s would not have been a smart business strategy nor would it have been “family friendly.” The idea was to insure a man would be paid adequately to support his family, so his wife would not have to work.
Of course, the feminists did away with that.
Since the Equal Pay Act of 1963, sex discrimination in hiring, promotion or pay has been illegal. Cases where discrimination in pay is alleged, the “victim” has legal recourse. Any employer who practiced wage discrimination in the last 40 years could be brought to justice through the courts.
“Equal pay for equal work” has been addressed. But that is not enough for the feminists. They want equal pay for DIFFERENT work. They are seeking “comparable worth” which argues for a regulatory scheme that would dictate wages so that pay in fields with predominantly female workers would be comparable to pay in typically male occupations. The Jobs Rated Almanac reveals that 23 of the 25 worst jobs are over 90 percent male. Men make up 54 percent of the workforce, but account for 92 pecent of all job-related deaths. Dangerous occupations like coal miner, logger, fisherman and metal workers are less that 5 percent female. The feminists would have teachers, nurses, and secretaries paid a “comparable wage” to such jobs. Can you explain how that is fair?
Just look at the high tech field, a relative newcomer to the culture. It has been effectively accessed and defined by both genders and there is no pay discrepency at all.
It’s time to let the lie go.
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I’ll speak from personal experience; my own and those of friends and family.
My best friend in grade and high school was Italian, like me. Her parents took her Grandma in when her husband died quite young. Nana lived with them the rest of her life, until she died at 100. She was beloved and missed by all when she passed.
May paternal grandmother buried three husbands. Each time she was widowed, she went to live with one of her four children. She supported herself by doing sewing and tailoring for the neighbors. She helped out the family by babysitting for the grandkids and preparing meals for the family. When she remarried, she set up her own home. When she was widowed for the last time, she remained in my aunt’s home until she died. She was beloved and was missed terribly when she left us.
My maternal grandfather left my grandmother when she was in her 40’s. She worked for many years to support herself and her two girls. My grandfather was a skid row alcoholic who spent most of his nights in the county lock up for public intoxication. He eventually killed himself. My grandma continued to support herself until her 70’s, at which time she came to live with us. We loved having her with us until she passed on to her reward.
Back in the old days, family supported eachother. Back in the old days, if your husband left you or died, you knew you could depend on family to help out. Today, it’s everyone for themselves. I do not see that as a positive advancement at all.
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dwc
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Maybe you could address the very valid point made. Not “pleasant,” to insist upon this, I know – but you can’t dodge valid points just by citing yourself.
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dwc
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Sorry, but you quoted and addressed only my post when making that comment. I’m sure you’ll forgive my understanding that you were referring to me.
If you weren’t addressing your comment to me or my comments, what did it have to do with this thread? I haven’t seen any woman except you decrying the general lack of respect men have for women.
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blessedtoo
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The discrepencies in wages and occupations fuel the feminist insistence on affirmative action for women.
“Women make up only 1.3 percent of plumbers, pipe fitters, and steamfitters and only 1.2 percent of heating, air conditioning and refrigteration mechanics. These occupations offer men with high school educations well paying opportunities that remain largely closed to women.”
There is a reason why there are so few women in these fields: they do not want these jobs. However, feminist dogma would have you believe this is discrimination and invoke governmental regulation. They would have you believe there is some grand conspiracy to keep such jobs “closed to women”. American women, supposedly the most “liberated” and accomplished in all of history, need gender preferences in order to compete with men?
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