Can we go back in time?

[OutinChgoburbs]

What does either situation of respect for a person during the dating or courtship process- something that should still be in practice- have to do with a woman, any woman, being paid equal pay for equal work? Totally illogical and a strawman at that.

 

[edwest2]

What does either situation of respect for a person during the dating or courtship process- something that should still be in practice- have to do with a woman, any woman, being paid equal pay for equal work? Totally illogical and a strawman at that.

Totally illogical? Didn’t you read just a few posts earlier how feminists want to destroy marriage? How women need men like a fish needs a bicycle? How the dripping, venomous hatred of men by feminists has contributed to an artificial separation between the two?

I was raised to treat women with respect and dignity before Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem declared war between the sexes. Do you understand that? They created strife, not solutions.

The spirit, by which I mean the Holy Spirit of God, which was made manifest outwardly in so many of the men and women that I knew in the 1950s and 1960s needs to return. We need a new Pentecost.

God bless,
Ed

 

[lak611]

Totally illogical? Didn’t you read just a few posts earlier how feminists want to destroy marriage? How women need men like a fish needs a bicycle? How the dripping, venomous hatred of men by feminists has contributed to an artificial separation between the two?

I was raised to treat women with respect and dignity before Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem declared war between the sexes. Do you understand that? They created strife, not solutions.

The spirit, by which I mean the Holy Spirit of God, which was made manifest outwardly in so many of the men and women that I knew in the 1950s and 1960s needs to return. We need a new Pentecost.

God bless,
Ed

I do not believe in any type of war between the sexes. I also disagree with the radical feminists who have hijacked the movement. I do believe in my right to pursue the career that I desire. Have you heard of Feminists for Life? They are a modern feminist organization that has good values.

 

[edwest2]

Hijacked? Look up the publication date of the book, The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan. It is easy to find numerous quotes from Gloria Steinem, President of the National Organization of Women.

What I completely fail to understand is how anyone can miss the fact that the stated goal was the destruction of marriage, specifically, regarding men as evil, the oppressor, and so on.

I was there in 1968 to the kickoff of immoral sex, illegal drugs are cool and the Feminist Movement. “Tear the Country Down” was a phrase common to all involved. There is no defense for that.

God bless,
Ed

 

[lak611]

Hijacked? Look up the publication date of the book, The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan. It is easy to find numerous quotes from Gloria Steinem, President of the National Organization of Women.

What I completely fail to understand is that the stated goal was the destruction of marriage, specifically, regarding men as evil, the oppressor, and so on.

I was there in 1968 to the kickoff of immoral sex, illegal drugs are cool and the Feminist Movement. “Tear the Country Down” was a phrase common to all involved. There is no defense for that.

God bless,
Ed

This is the kind of feminism I support.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

No. I don’t understand why one would consider only Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem the only speaks for women who believe in equal pay for equal work.
feministsforlife.org/
I don’t understand how speeches about the glories of one era have anything with a person’s choice to live in one period of time or another. And quite frankly, I don’t understand how invoking as “expert” a site run by a rabid anti-Catholic fundamentalist pastor simply because he twists scripture to his own way of thinking have anything to do with living in one era or another.

It is illogical. The arguments are poor to non-existent. They are full of holes and fallacies. Nobody who has chosen to live in another era has made a case for it, except that they would prefer to live in it because women would still be “in their place” or that “families would still stick together”. Not one real fact has been mentioned, just a lot of opinion. And that’s fine, as far as opinion goes. But opinion is never fact.

I like now. I like the future every day I get older, because I am really very fond of living. I like being alive. I don’t want to go back to diseases that wouldn’t be treatable (a fact). I love the Internet, which wasn’t even AARPNET in the 1950s (a fact). I like knowing that, if need be, despite my age, I can do a day’s work at what was once traditionally “man’s work” and get paid the same as the fellas* (a fact).*

Murder in any form is always wrong (a fact). Women who kill their babies, or men who encourage them to do so are wrong. But it is my opinion that going back to the 1950s will not solve that kind of problem.

The practicies of different times need to be adapted to today. The alternative is a mindset that is not unlike the Amish. Yes, they are nice people. But they are trapped in the past in order to relate to God.

God and the Holy See for that matter are not against equal pay for equal work. There are encyclicals dealing with such issues. I see a Vatican web site, certainly proof that the Holy See wants information out there for everybody.

There is no reason a parent, either parent, can’t stay home with the kids during the day. For that matter, there is no reason why there can’t be a family business where everybody helps out and the kids are homeschooled (how’s that for traveling back in time)? There is no reason ALL young people who are capable shouldn’t have a way to earn a living, and not be limited to a few choices, when they hit legal majority. There is no reason why, after centuries of proof, families shouldn’t try to dine together, once a common middle class custom. If they choose to eat fast food, or roast a whole joint in the family fireplace, that’s their business.

The Present and Future have a lot more going for it than naysayers on both sides would give credit. In any event, Time Travel is impossible at present. The Future continues to show up every second.

 

[edwest2]

This type of feminism is virtually unknown. My question is this: why does any woman need a middle-man? A group that stands between her and her own life? My mother had a 7th Grade education but was regarded as an exemplary employee in both her jobs. She didn’t need feminism to teach her anything but drew on her knowledge of the Holy Bible and the Blessed Mother.

This was commonplace in the 1950s. Christianity is for social justice and for the dignity of men and women.

My fellow Catholics, pray to the Holy Spirit that He may move among the faithful and that we do return to a time when His Holy Spirit was made manifest in our lives and by our actions. A time when God was acknowledged with reverance. When our Judeo-Christian heritage was celebrated throughout our country.

God bless,
Ed

 

[lak611]

No. I don’t understand why one would consider only Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem the only speaks for women who believe in equal pay for equal work.
feministsforlife.org/
I don’t understand how speeches about the glories of one era have anything with a person’s choice to live in one period of time or another. And quite frankly, I don’t understand how invoking as “expert” a site run by a rabid anti-Catholic fundamentalist pastor simply because he twists scripture to his own way of thinking have anything to do with living in one era or another.

I am confused here. I do not see anything rabidly anti-Catholic or fundamentalist on the Feminists for Life website. Or were you addressing another poster?

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

This type of feminism is virtually unknown. My question is this: why does any woman need a middle-man? A group that stands between her and her own life?

So, how do you expect it become known if women don’t get together and let people know about it?

My mother had a 7th Grade education but was regarded as an exemplary employee in both her jobs. She didn’t need feminism to teach her anything but drew on her knowledge of the Holy Bible and the Blessed Mother.

That’s great for your mother. This is now. We can’t go back in time.

My fellow Catholics, pray to the Holy Spirit that He may move among the faithful and that we do return to a time when His Holy Spirit was made manifest in our lives and by our actions. A time when God was acknowledged with reverance. When our Judeo-Christian heritage was celebrated throughout our country.

That’s a very nice sentiment. But Judeo-Christian heritage does not necessarily mean going back to the 1950s. There is no reason why we can’t find examples of this today. I see it, as an example, in the teens I know who formed a group called “Youth For Truth”. They picket our latest abortuary, and pray for the unborn babies, their mothers, and the people who run the clinic. They stuff envelopes and run other errands for the pro-life groups. They do research. They are respectful of each other, do not engage in open fornication of which I know, and are decent young Catholics living out the Gospel. youtube.com/watch?v=BnA3aGEeOcs&mode=related&search=youth%20for%20truth%20rally%20protest%20pro-life%20planned%20parenthood%20aurora%20illinois%20OneTrueMedia

But the females in this organization are every bit as educated as the males. I can’t think of a young woman among them who is not college-bound. I cannot see how placing these young people back in the 1950s would help them.

 

[edwest2]

Leftist professors now have tenure in major universities. History is literally being rewritten. It is very valuable to all Catholics to know exactly where Catholics were in the 1950s.

In Church.

Holy Days of Obligation, Stations of the Cross on Good Friday, procession at dawn on Easter Sunday.

Sunday was a day of rest, not commerce. Stores were closed.

President Eisenhower speaking at a meeting of the American Society of Newspaper Editors in April 1953 had this to say:

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies - in a final sense - a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children… This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the threatening cloud of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”

Taken from the book Storm Warning by Billy Graham

It has been said that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

In recent years, our Judeo-Christian heritage has been trampled, God dishonored and Catholics living like the world. In the 1950s, there was a lot less of that, a lot less.

God bless,
Ed

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

I am confused here. I do not see anything rabidly anti-Catholic or fundamentalist on the Feminists for Life website. Or were you addressing another poster?

Yes. edwest2 linked a site that had a fundamentalist minister who was pulling verses out of context. Dummy me, I couldn’t find it again.

No, I am in favor of Feminists for Life.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

I would not go back in time, Cat. Ever. It might destroy the time-space continuum.

I would not go back to diseases such as certain cancers that are now 100% curable and many more that can be caught early.

I think 21st century people should watch TV with a discerning eye toward its content. If it is inappropriate, I think they should stop watching that program, and then tell the company broadcasting WHY they won’t watch it, and what they’d like to see. Kids should be limited by parental opinion in the number of hours they watch TV and which TV shows they watch.

I think families should make it a practice to eat together when they can. Whether that is around a kitchen or dining room table, or in the living room, or in the car, they should interact with each other while consuming food.

I think it is important for a parent to stay home when the kids are young if possible. It does not have to be the wife.

I think everybody who is able-bodied should have a way to earn a living, a skill. Gender should not matter in regards to obtaining or practicing a profession.

We don’t need to go back into time to do those things.

And as I said, I look horrible in shirtwaists and hate high-heeled shoes.

 

[Cat]

Yes, I like a lot about today, too.

One of the things I really like is light. My dad tells me about growing up in a farmhouse (he still lives in it) with no electrcity. He tried to read and do his schoolwork, but after dark, it was so hard for him to read with just a kerosene lamp. He dropped out of school in 8th grade. (Didn’t hurt him much–he owns almost two dozen houses!)

Another thing I really like is central heat. Our family lived in that same farmhouse while I was a teenager, and there was no heat in the upstairs. I found out why people always wore night-caps in the olden days–I had to wear one to sleep in so that my ears wouldn’t freeze!

I also love air-conditioning. I feel like a softie, because I certainly didn’t grow up with AC. But right now, it’s almost 90 outside, and I hate the heat! It sure feels good to cool my house to “morgue” temperature. Sorry, Al Gore.

And I really love the Internet when it comes to keeping track of my favorite actor! Back when I was a kid, I had to spend all my little allowance on those movie magazines, and I cut out pictures and made lots of scrapbooks of my then-favorite actor. (I still have the scrapbooks, but since I didn’t use acid-free paper and the right kind of tape, they’re kind of falling apart!)

Seriously, I think the Internet is wonderful for Catholicism. A lot of non-Catholic people are on this Board looking for discussions. In the past, who would these people have gone to? They probably wouldn’t have gone to anyone, and would never have learned the answers to their questions.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Seriously, I think the Internet is wonderful for Catholicism. A lot of non-Catholic people are on this Board looking for discussions. In the past, who would these people have gone to? They probably wouldn’t have gone to anyone, and would never have learned the answers to their questions.

Not only can non-Catholics find good information, they can come to a place like CAF and usually get accurate information. It does a lot for the image of the Church.

And my Southern Illinois grandmother had no bathroom until the mid1960s. She had a sink and a chamber pot for those who went indoors, and an outhouse by the train tracks. I was always afraid of the outhouse. It was good to come home to real plumbing in the City, and our family’s pride and joy, the window unit air conditioner in my parents’ room.

 

[lak611]

Not only can non-Catholics find good information, they can come to a place like CAF and usually get accurate information. It does a lot for the image of the Church.

And my Southern Illinois grandmother had no bathroom until the mid1960s. She had a sink and a chamber pot for those who went indoors, and an outhouse by the train tracks. I was always afraid of the outhouse. It was good to come home to real plumbing in the City, and our family’s pride and joy, the window unit air conditioner in my parents’ room.

I remember the nasty outhouses in the highway rest stops back in the 70’s. I would not want to go back there.

Incidentally, there is a true story that I thought was quite funny. A man who had been in prison for 30+ years was paroled two years ago. He broke into a car and hotwired it. He was busted because he did not know how to pump his own gas at the station once the gas ran out. There were no self-service pumps back when he originally went to prison. There were no ATM’s either.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

I remember the nasty outhouses in the highway rest stops back in the 70’s. I would not want to go back there.

Incidentally, there is a true story that I thought was quite funny. A man who had been in prison for 30+ years was paroled two years ago. He broke into a car and hotwired it. He was busted because he did not know how to pump his own gas at the station once the gas ran out. There were no self-service pumps back when he originally went to prison. There were no ATM’s either.

Makes me think of “Barbershop” and the guys who steal the ATM and then can’t break into it.

Yes, Mr. Peabody and Sherman would have a rough way to go getting in the Wayback Machine and waiting for the gas station attendant, and paying him perhaps with a paper Diner’s Club Card, or a paper BankAmericacard- although there were plastic credit cards with “zip strips” as early as 1968.

 

[lak611]

Makes me think of “Barbershop” and the guys who steal the ATM and then can’t break into it.

That scene was hilarious.

Yes, Mr. Peabody and Sherman would have a rough way to go getting in the Wayback Machine and waiting for the gas station attendant, and paying him perhaps with a paper Diner’s Club Card, or a paper BankAmericacard- although there were plastic credit cards with “zip strips” as early as 1968.

I remember when I was about 18 and needed to get gas. I pulled up to the pump, got out of the car, removed the gas cap and was about the take the nozzle off the pump and switch the lever on. A clerk came out and said the station was full serve. So I got back in the car while the clerk pumped the gas, wiped the windshield and checked the air in the tires. I felt like I was way back about ten years earlier. Full serve was pretty much gone probably 5 years before I was even old enough to drive. I later found out that this station kept full serve until the late 80’s because of some city ordinance that was never changed until that time.

On a related note, a drive-in opened up not far from where I live. It’s been there for about 5 years, but I have not gone there yet. I heard that it’s like the old-fashioned drive-ins. You pull in, flash your headlights, and a waitress comes out to your car. You get your food on a metal tray that hangs on the car door. I should go there some time since I have never been to a drive-in.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Leftist professors now have tenure in major universities. History is literally being rewritten. It is very valuable to all Catholics to know exactly where Catholics were in the 1950s.

In Church.

Holy Days of Obligation, Stations of the Cross on Good Friday, procession at dawn on Easter Sunday.

Sunday was a day of rest, not commerce. Stores were closed.

President Eisenhower speaking at a meeting of the American Society of Newspaper Editors in April 1953 had this to say:

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies - in a final sense - a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children… This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the threatening cloud of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”

Taken from the book Storm Warning by Billy Graham

It has been said that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

In recent years, our Judeo-Christian heritage has been trampled, God dishonored and Catholics living like the world. In the 1950s, there was a lot less of that, a lot less.

God bless,
Ed

Thank you; my points exactly.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Thank you; my points exactly.

It might be your points, but neither of you have explained HOW removing ourselves back in time is going to make the 21st century any better.

 

[edwest2]

I don’t understand your question. A lot of Catholic kids growing up today have no context at all by which to compare themselves to the world or an understanding of living in a Catholic community.

I lived in such a community, God was an integral part of our lives. In essence, nothing, and I mean nothing, should have changed from the 1950s. I am speaking strictly about the Catholic Community.

My thoughts were on God daily. My Catholic education instructed me, it gave me a guide by which to judge right and wrong. Thanks to the Hippies, starting in 1968, legalized abortion in 1973, Adult Bookstores everywhere in the 1970s, the National Organization of Women in the 1970s, No-Fault Divorce in the 1980s, porn on cable in the 1980s, and out of control divorce among Christians in the 1990s, guess what? The Body of Christ was slowly poisoned over those decades. There are too many lukewarm and nominal Christians out there.

Jesus said, By their fruit you will know them. And let me pause here to stress that I am not replying to just one person but to everyone who reads this. We need to get right with God today. Just going to Church on Sunday doesn’t cut it if you’re living just like the secular world the rest of the week.

I watched the transition happen slowly. Too many people at the end of the 1960s still had respect for authority and established institutions but we were lied to. “Please, let us have abortion for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother.” “Men are the devil! including the one you’re with! Down with patriarchy! Down with men!” “Hey, porn is OK. What’s the big deal?” Comedians who use m f as every other word and toss in a few tips about bestiality.

The 1950s had a strong, committed Catholic community. That is and will continue to be my entire point. The 1950s had nativity scenes in front of the local City Hall. God and Christianity were regarded with respect. And this country was proud of our Judeo-Christian Heritage.

God bless,
Ed