Can we go back to welcoming refugees again now?

[KathleenGee]

But we are silent before world powers on the plight of Middle East Christians who are suffering genocide.

Our president tells us not to label the Muslims, and those who do here a proportionate number want Sharia law. But he has labelled the Middle Eastern Christians by refusing them refuge, only .04% allowed in compared to the overwhelming majority of Muslim.

Something is rotten.

 

[openmind77]

But we are silent before world powers on the plight of Middle East Christians who are suffering genocide.

Our president tells us not to label the Muslims, and those who do here a proportionate number want Sharia law. But he has labelled the Middle Eastern Christians by refusing them refuge, only .04% allowed in compared to the overwhelming majority of Muslim.

Something is rotten.

What is this 0.04 figure you have invented? Where did you get this from?

The UN decides which refugees are designated to come to the US and it is not done on the basis of religion. The fact is that the US is getting only a very small number of refugees compared to the total number, but they are definitely not chosen by religion or ethnicity.

 

[TonyBS]

But we are silent before world powers on the plight of Middle East Christians who are suffering genocide.

Our president tells us not to label the Muslims, and those who do here a proportionate number want Sharia law. But he has labelled the Middle Eastern Christians by refusing them refuge, only .04% allowed in compared to the overwhelming majority of Muslim.

Something is rotten.

We are all one Human Race Under One God who wishes us to Love Him and each other.

Thus all that does not try for this aim is indeed worthy of all our prayers!

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[KathleenGee]

.04% latest stat.

Middle East bishops very shocked the Christians not allowed refuge in USA and France.

What needs to be shut down in America is CAIR, the Student Muslim Brotherhood that has intimidating presence clear across the country in many colleges and universities…and their placement is no accident.

I think it very sad that the Catholics of our country are so silent facing this administration considering the horrific genocide of Christians and Yazidis. Very deliberate.

The uncontrolled borders here and the indifference to it by those in power are likewise in collusion in contributing to the massive transformational of change this present administration is enforcing, its consequences beginning to reach people. People were lied to, and what we are seeing likewise is a form of racism and neo Marxism.

I read that in Europe, those who are Leftists are actually neo Marxists.

I worked in grad school and was an administrative assistant to a black neo Marxist PhD candidate and heard it all in 1976. I saw a country go Marxist in SE Africa and the first day of independence, it was not about their country, it was about ‘AMERICA IS THE ENEMY OF THE WORLD!’

I have seen people’s moral fiber decrease tremendously with the free sex and marginalizatiion of decent Americans for the past 40 years.

 

[ChaosGamma]

Moreover I will add, though this isn’t an argument I would use in any secular setting, that I am 100% positive that this nation will not be worse off for having had compassion on the vulnerable and the meek, and those seeking shelter and peace. God will bless us, and history will have rightly judged us doing what is right, though it may be controversial at the present time, since many people are afraid, and that fear perhaps rules them. On the contrary to this, we will be scorned if we do not.

We can be absolutely 100% positive that American lives will be lost in some sort of violence in the near future, perhaps tomorrow. This is true regardless of whether we let refugees in or out.

I’m all for helping those less fortunate. I have no problem at all with immigration (legal immigration, of course). But why is there this dichotomy of “bring thousands and thousands of people over here” or “racist/xenophobe/coward/a-holes/whatever”? Helping does not necessarily equate to resettling them all over here. But we just keep getting these same two options and no one seems to even consider the possibility that we may have more, conceivably better, options.

 

[ssa_fellow]

Well, Boko Haram and ISIS killed 12,000 people last year. About 3,000 people died in the troubles. I’m a Scots-Irish American, so I’m not trivializing it. But, I think comparing the IRA and ISIS isn’t going to get you very far.

Also, I suggest you take your own advice and not get involved in U.S. matters then. Its ok for you to say we shouldn’t deport Muslims, but as soon as I advocate for something you “probably agree with”- punishing U.S. ISIS cells, then you recuse yourself?

Sorry friend, maybe some consistency might suit you better. Maybe the American people will decide to kick out the Muslims. And maybe the Dutch people will decide that as well. I guess that’s democracy. Guess you’ll have to respect those democratic decisions.

Lastly, I feel the need to repeat my point: Do people really think the U.S. and Western countries descriminated against Muslims before 9/11? Because I don’t think so. We let them come here. We welcomed everyone equally. And we haven’t had any problems with Sikhs, Jains, Hindus, Buddhists, Baha’i, Zoroastrians, or Yazidis have we? “well, there’s a small minority of extremists in every religion”.

Hey guess what, I fail to see the “small minority” of Hindu extremists killing people in America and Europe. And the same goes for every other minority I just mentioned. I fail to see the violent extremists in all those minority groups. And I bet every one of them is treated a lot better than Muslims because of it.

You reap what you sow.

 

[Corki]

What is this 0.04 figure you have invented? Where did you get this from?

The UN decides which refugees are designated to come to the US a**nd it is not done on the basis of religion. **The fact is that the US is getting only a very small number of refugees compared to the total number, but they are definitely not chosen by religion or ethnicity.

Two problems with this. One, the UN hires local muslim workers to screen the refugees. How likely do you think it is that a persecuted Christian would go and turn herself into a Muslim “official” ? Two, the UN may not be using religion but the US should be. It is THE LAW that religious persecution is a priority basis for refugee status and that religion must be considered. Why are we letting the UN break US law in selecting refugees** for the US?**

 

[openmind77]

Two problems with this. One, the UN hires local muslim workers to screen the refugees. How likely do you think it is that a persecuted Christian would go and turn herself into a Muslim “official” ? Two, the UN may not be using religion but the US should be. It is THE LAW that religious persecution is a priority basis for refugee status and that religion must be considered. Why are we letting the UN break US law in selecting refugees** for the US?**

The UN hires all types people not jus muslims and refugees don’t ‘turn themselves in’. They apply by filling a form. Everyone regardless of religion goes through the same process.

If you think the US should be using religion to discriminate between people, it sounds like you don’t agree with our constitution.

 

[Corki]

The UN hires all types people not jus muslims and refugees don’t ‘turn themselves in’. They apply by filling a form. Everyone regardless of religion goes through the same process.

If you think the US should be using religion to discriminate between people, it sounds like you don’t agree with our constitution.

We recognize by law that religious persecution is a special category worthy of preference in a refugee application. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.

 

[openmind77]

We recognize by law that religious persecution is a special category worthy of preference in a refugee application. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.

All refugees are persecuted one way or another. Even among muslims, the Shia are persecuted in ISIL territory and Sunnis are persecuted in Assad controlled areas. The Yazdis are neither Christian nor Muslim, but they are persecuted as well. The question is whether you want to deny a refugee entry merely because of his religion.

 

[KathleenGee]

We understand it.

But the issue is those who do not want to follow the law of the land. Many in Islam who live here think Sharia law would be a good thing.

And then you have to also consider how many Christian countries were destroyed by Islam. I read a statement allegedly by Muhammed who wanted to have conquest of Romiyya.

It is the totalitarian competition and conquest of some religions that give people great concern.

 

[openmind77]

We understand it.

But the issue is those who do not want to follow the law of the land. Many in Islam who live here think Sharia law would be a good thing.

And then you have to also consider how many Christian countries were destroyed by Islam. I read a statement allegedly by Muhammed who wanted to have conquest of Romiyya.

It is the totalitarian competition and conquest of some religions that give people great concern.

I don’t think it is at all true that ‘many’ Muslims in the US want Sharia law. The stories about wars with Christian countries is ancient history. These are not valid reasons for denying refugees entry into this country.

 

[Corki]

All refugees are persecuted one way or another. Even among muslims, the Shia are persecuted in ISIL territory and Sunnis are persecuted in Assad controlled areas. The Yazdis are neither Christian nor Muslim, but they are persecuted as well. The question is whether you want to deny a refugee entry merely because of his religion.

No one said anything about “denying” a person refugee status because of her religion. But our refugee laws put priority on granting refugee status to those who are actually suffering religious (and political) persecution over those who are fleeing due to economic or safety concerns. To make refugee decisions without considering religion as a priority category is to ignore our laws.

 

[openmind77]

No one said anything about “denying” a person refugee status because of her religion. But our refugee laws put priority on granting refugee status to those who are actually suffering religious (and political) persecution over those who are fleeing due to economic or safety concerns. To make refugee decisions without considering religion as a priority category is to ignore our laws.

None of Syrian refugees are fleeing for economic reasons. All of them are fleeing persecution (religious and/or political)