Can we revisit the circumcism and baptism discussion?

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I saw this today and thought of our discussions on the issue of the OT circumcism becoming the NT baptism. Please for give me for how I present my thoughts as I’ll change the Bible a bit so try to understand this teaching.

Romans 3:

25 For **baptism **(circumcision) is indeed profitable if you keep the **NT law **(law); but if you are a breaker of the **NT law **(law), your **baptism **(circumcision) has become **unbaptism **(uncircumcision).
26 Therefore, if a unbaptized (uncircumcised) man keeps the righteous requirements of the NT law, will not his **unbaptism **(uncircumcision) be counted as **baptism **(circumcision)?
27 And will not the physically ****unbaptized ****(uncircumcised), if he fulfills the NT law, judge you who, even with your written code and baptism (circumcision), are a transgressor of the NT law?
28 For he is not a **Christian **(Jew) who is one outwardly, nor is **baptism **(circumcision) that which is outward in the flesh;
29 but he is a **Christian **(Jew) who is one inwardly; and **baptism **(circumcision) is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
 
I’m wondering why this got no responses. Maybe it doesn’t rise to the level of deserving a response. Maybe it was misunderstood. Maybe people thought there was ‘adding to Scripture’ going on so they did not want to touch it.

I was showing that, IMO, the belief that OT circumcism became NT baptism makes no sense in the light of the NT teaching of both.​

I’m not saying God has to make sense to my ‘pea’ brain.
 
Baptism is the spiritual rebirth of a person. A reborn person keeps the commandments of God and have faith in Him. If a person that has not been baptized yet in water but has faith in God and keeps His commandments He is a child of God. But of course you must be baptized in water as soon as possible. At least this is how I see it.
 
Dokimas said:
I’m wondering why this got no responses. Maybe it doesn’t rise to the level of deserving a response. Maybe it was misunderstood. Maybe people thought there was ‘adding to Scripture’ going on so they did not want to touch it.

I was showing that, IMO, the belief that OT circumcism became NT baptism makes no sense in the light of the NT teaching of both.​

I’m not saying God has to make sense to my ‘pea’ brain.
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I don’t know why you didn’t get a response last time you posted this, but I think the point you are trying to make is crystal clear–and a very good one, indeed.
 
Dokimas said:
I saw this today and thought of our discussions on the issue of the OT circumcism becoming the NT baptism. Please for give me for how I present my thoughts as I’ll change the Bible a bit so try to understand this teaching.

Romans 3:

25 For **baptism **(circumcision) is indeed profitable if you keep the **NT law **(law); but if you are a breaker of the **NT law **(law), your **baptism **(circumcision) has become **unbaptism **(uncircumcision).
26 Therefore, if a unbaptized (uncircumcised) man keeps the righteous requirements of the NT law, will not his **unbaptism **(uncircumcision) be counted as **baptism **(circumcision)?
27 And will not the physically ****unbaptized ****(uncircumcised), if he fulfills the NT law, judge you who, even with your written code and baptism (circumcision), are a transgressor of the NT law?
28 For he is not a **Christian **(Jew) who is one outwardly, nor is **baptism **(circumcision) that which is outward in the flesh;
29 but he is a **Christian **(Jew) who is one inwardly; and **baptism **(circumcision) is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
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Circumcision was a sign given first to Abraham and his household and later, to the Old Covenant nation of Israel. One purpose of circumcision was identification. Initially, circumcision identified those who belonged to Abraham’s household. Under the Old Covenant, that period of time from Exodus 19 to Acts chapter 2, circumcision identified ancient Israel as the physical people of God. In both instances, circumcision was a physical sign showing one’s physical identification.

The greater purpose of circumcision was to point to the coming age of the Spirit in the New Covenant in which the church, Abraham’s true spiritual descendants (Galatians 3:16, 29), receive true circumcision of the heart (the forgiveness of sin and everything that accompanies salvation) and are placed within the family of God. In the New Covenant, physical circumcision gives way to baptism as the outward identification that one has become a part of the people of God, a spiritual descendant of Abraham and a part of the true people of God, the church (Col. 2:9-12).

The primary purpose of baptism is to acknowledge or testify to God that we are his. Baptism is the believer’s formal profession of faith and pledge of a good conscience that is the result of having received the forgiveness of sin (1 Peter 3:21).
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* Baptism is the outward sign that we are trusting in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 6:3-4).
* Examples of baptism in the New Testament immediately follow conversion (Acts 8:34-38, Acts 16:33).
* Baptism is identification with Jesus in his death and resurrection. It has no direct connection to Old Testament circumcision but it correlates to circumcision of the heart, meaning that baptism is not intended for infants who cannot embrace the gospel, but it is intended for those who repent and believe the gospel and have experienced spiritual circumcision of the heart, the forgiveness of sins.
* Scripture does not tell us how to baptize. We are simply commanded to baptize new converts (Matthew 28:19).
 
FantomScholar said:
Circumcision was a sign given first to Abraham and his household and later, to the Old Covenant nation of Israel. One purpose of circumcision was identification. Initially, circumcision identified those who belonged to Abraham’s household. Under the Old Covenant, that period of time from Exodus 19 to Acts chapter 2, circumcision identified ancient Israel as the physical people of God. In both instances, circumcision was a physical sign showing one’s physical identification.

The greater purpose of circumcision was to point to the coming age of the Spirit in the New Covenant in which the church, Abraham’s true spiritual descendants (Galatians 3:16, 29), receive true circumcision of the heart (the forgiveness of sin and everything that accompanies salvation) and are placed within the family of God. In the New Covenant, physical circumcision gives way to baptism as the outward identification that one has become a part of the people of God, a spiritual descendant of Abraham and a part of the true people of God, the church (Col. 2:9-12).

The primary purpose of baptism is to acknowledge or testify to God that we are his. Baptism is the believer’s formal profession of faith and pledge of a good conscience that is the result of having received the forgiveness of sin (1 Peter 3:21).
Code: 
* Baptism is the outward sign that we are trusting in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 6:3-4).
* Examples of baptism in the New Testament immediately follow conversion (Acts 8:34-38, Acts 16:33).
* Baptism is identification with Jesus in his death and resurrection. It has no direct connection to Old Testament circumcision but it correlates to circumcision of the heart, meaning that baptism is not intended for infants who cannot embrace the gospel, but it is intended for those who repent and believe the gospel and have experienced spiritual circumcision of the heart, the forgiveness of sins.
* Scripture does not tell us how to baptize. We are simply commanded to baptize new converts (Matthew 28:19).
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Good comments. Thanks.
 
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