Can weeds turn to wheat or goats to sheep?

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i am wondering if one should strictly interpret these passages
about the wheat and the weeds (today’s readings [Sunday, July 20, 2008]) or what? Are the weeds those who have made their “eternal” or virtually eternal … decision against Christ… or are they just those who… with a little help, might convert or what?

(I acknowledge that even the Church may not have a definite answer on this… as She doesn’t claim to have an absolute interpretation on every single scirpture…)
 
In the natural world, no.

However, with God, all things are possible.

DaveBj
 
As the passage was presented to me, the weeds were the children of evil, as their sower is the devil. Whereas the sower of wheat is the Son of Man, and the wheat the Children of God.

That seems a bit absolute, doesn’t it? But as was said, if water can be turned to wine, why can’t weeds be turned to wheat!
 
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Note that one point of the parable is that there is no way to tell the weeds from the wheat until the harvest. Since there is no way to tell what is a weed, there is no way to tellif it changes.
 
Note that one point of the parable is that there is no way to tell the weeds from the wheat until the harvest. Since there is no way to tell what is a weed, there is no way to tellif it changes.
No - the difference could certainly be told (how would the workers know there were any weeds growing in the field in the first place unless they looked different to the wheat?).

The point of the parable was that you couldn’t pull out the weeds without pulling some of the wheat up as well. THAT is why both were left to grow.
 
The point of the parable was that you couldn’t pull out the weeds without pulling some of the wheat up as well. THAT is why both were left to grow.
I don’t know. I’ve heard Joe Kelley’s take elsewhere before. The apocryphal gospel of Thomas even explains it that way:
The person did not let the workers pull up the weeds, but said to them, “No, otherwise you might go to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.” For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be conspicuous, and will be pulled up and burned.
I assume that before the harvest the weeds were inconspicuous.

Any farmers out there that can lend us a hand?
VC
 
I don’t know. I’ve heard Joe Kelley’s take elsewhere before. The apocryphal gospel of Thomas even explains it that way:

I assume that before the harvest the weeds were inconspicuous.

Any farmers out there that can lend us a hand?
VC
This is our pastor’s homily. You can listen to what he had to say:
saintwilliams.org/node/699

Move forward to minute 10 and you can listen what he said from that minute on.
 
I guess I have a little different “take” on this whole thing.

We are ALL a combination of weeds and wheat. Each of us had great good in us, along with seeds of evil planted by the evil one. It is that combination that makes us who we are, though of course we always hopefully try our best to nurture the wheat without nurturing the weeds.

The problem comes when outside “workers” decide to try to uproot the weeds of others. This is very much related to the idea of trying to remove the splinter from someone else’s eye without first removing the plank from our own. In trying to uproot another’s “weeds” we fail, in part because we don’t know how those weeds are connected to another’s wheat, and in part because we don’t know how God is using one’s weeds in their transformation.

Scott Hahn tells us that God’s “punishment” for our sins is to let us wallow in them until we cry out in pain that we’ve had enough. As such, it is as much our “weeds” as our wheat that brings us to God. It is finding our own weakness and sinfulness that brings us to the realization that we are unable to “do it” on our own and that we are totally at the mercy of God.

When another tries to uproot our weeds, they are likely to just put us on the defensive. Or they may get us to repress that shadow side of us, which is always a recipe for having it reappear and do great damage at some later time.

The other negative to this is that often it is our weeds that bring us to our greatest wheat. It was the consequences of my own great self-centeredness that brought me to compassion for those in true need. And perhaps even more, a compassion for the plight of others trapped in that sin of selfishness. Had someone uprooted that weed too early though, the learning process would not have been completed and my own conversion–which is ongoing–would have been stunted. It was a sin I needed to stew in for some time until it was ready to digest.

Yes, the truly evil ones will be separated at the final judgment. But to me the real meaning of the parable is that our own sinful tendencies are the weeds that will be separated out and burned away by the fire of God’s love when our time comes.

While we should certainly do our best to not give in to those sinful tendencies, we need to depend on God to provide the help. Similarly we need to help others to do the same rather than having the presumption to believe that we can discern the difference between the wheat and weeds in someone else.

As St. Augustine said (paraphrased), “love God and do as you please.” For when we love God we will trust and depend on Him to work in us, turning us to sheep rather than goats. When we truly love God we will become more like Him, and our actions will come to reflect that. We will still fail, but eventually even the weeds will bring us to greater good as we recognize them for what they are. Because of this, the great good is to work hard to help bring others to a love of God rather than thinking we can stamp out their sin.

Only God can do that.

Peace,
 
Excellent insight, John.

Our newly ordained Vicar preached wheat and weed with the theme of “patience”.

He said this Gospel tells us how patient God is.

We are living in a world of “instant”.We want next day delivery of UPS, we want high speed internet, and we want everything instantly. But God is patient.

We should develop the virtue of patience.
Be patient with ourselves, be patient with others, be patient with ……

I think his sermon is in line with what you said.
 
This was a simple parable. Jesus gives a full explanation of it to his apostles away from the crowd. In effect the weeds are sinners who at the last judgment will be those condemned. The wheat are the righteous who will have eternity with God in heaven. You yourself determine whether you will be wheat or weed by the way you live your life here on Earth. .
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Deacon Ed B
 
This was a simple parable. Jesus gives a full explanation of it to his apostles away from the crowd. In effect the weeds are sinners who at the last judgment will be those condemned. The wheat are the righteous who will have eternity with God in heaven. You yourself determine whether you will be wheat or weed by the way you live your life here on Earth. .
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Deacon Ed B
While certainly I don’t disagree with that first level meaning, would you not agree that almost all–if not all–of the parables operate at more than one level of meaning?

Peace,
 
That sounds like a loaded question. Please give me an example of what you are thinking of
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
That sounds like a loaded question. Please give me an example of what you are thinking of
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
Well, for instance the example I posted this morning. It was one of two or three other applications of the parable that came to me. I almost always find that to be the case and find that different levels speak to me at different times. The Prodigal Son parable, for example, is loaded with different lessons depending on what stage of life one is in and whether one is more like the father, the older brother, or the Prodigal.

To me it’s a lot like watching a Disney movie. There are clear, obvious first level lessons there for the kids. But almost all of them have other deeper meanings that adults can also relate to that the kids totally miss because they aren’t ready for them yet.
 
i am wondering if one should strictly interpret these passages
about the wheat and the weeds (today’s readings [Sunday, July 20, 2008]) or what? Are the weeds those who have made their “eternal” or virtually eternal … decision against Christ… or are they just those who… with a little help, might convert or what?

(I acknowledge that even the Church may not have a definite answer on this… as She doesn’t claim to have an absolute interpretation on every single scirpture…)
I LOVE this parable.

Of course, the main point of the parable of the sower and the weeds is that man cannot judge who is good and who is evil, and that God’s judgement is merely deferred and not forgotten.

The weed in question is “darnel”; lolium temulentum. According to an Anglican sermon I had the pleasure of listening to the other day, the darnel was considered by ancient Jews to be “the bastard wheat”, corrupted by Satan between the Creation and Noah. It looks just like wheat until the ears become visible, ie at harvest time.

I think the point being made here is that man does not have the right to determine the moral status of other people. In our eyes, we must not distinguish at all between wheat and darnel, sheep or goats. Yet the Jewish legend of “bastard wheat” hints at the corruptability of the human soul… it remains silent as to whether the darnel can return to wheat! The rest of the Gospel suggets that happily we can 🙂
 
If you look at the parable in scripture, the explanation Jesus gives says it all. Why try to put other things into it that he did not say. Stick to what Jesus said, and you will be OK
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Deacon Ed B
 
The Prodigal Son parable, for example, is loaded with different lessons depending on what stage of life one is in and whether one is more like the father, the older brother, or the Prodigal…
The parable of the prodigal son, had to do with the forgiveness of the father. In this case God, forgiving us our sins, no matter what we have done, so long as we are repentant. The brother would be like the so called righteous saying they are better and have not turned against God. Yet in not wanting to forgive, that is exactly what they are doing. Remember…Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
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deacon Ed B
 
Note that one point of the parable is that there is no way to tell the weeds from the wheat until the harvest. Since there is no way to tell what is a weed, there is no way to tellif it changes.
i am not so sure… it seems that the point was that pulling up the weeds would somehow affect the wheat… (?)
 
i am not so sure… it seems that the point was that pulling up the weeds would somehow affect the wheat… (?)
Yes, the two types of plants would be growing so close together that uprooting the weeds would also uproot the wheat. But that’s the natural-world application, which is about as far as Jesus took it.

DaveBj
 
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