Can you answer these two questions?

[Righteousone]

My friend asked me two questions in which I cannot answer. If I researched it enough, I probably could so I am looking for a quick answer here.
One question concerned the OT in which Moses murdered someone, was then called by God to lead with the Ten commandments, only One Commandment was “Thou shalt not kill”, but Moses did kill. Question being is: Why was Moses called by God when he deliberately killed someone?

Second question was: How did the four Gospel writers know what Pilate spoke to Jesus in private? Did Jesus tell them? The conversation was in private with no one around, so who told them?

Thank you.

 

[Ginger2]

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[KJK80]

My friend asked me two questions in which I cannot answer. If I researched it enough, I probably could so I am looking for a quick answer here.
One question concerned the OT in which Moses murdered someone, was then called by God to lead with the Ten commandments, only One Commandment was “Thou shalt not kill”, but Moses did kill. Question being is: Why was Moses called by God when he deliberately killed someone?

Second question was: How did the four Gospel writers know what Pilate spoke to Jesus in private? Did Jesus tell them? The conversation was in private with no one around, so who told them?

Thank you.

Exodus 2:11-22

My only defense of this, is that there were plenty of fallible men that God used to deliver His messages… They were not required to be sinless or perfect… far from it. I’m sure there’s a better explanation than this.

As for the second account… Maybe I missed it… but where is it said that Pilate spoke to Jesus in private? Mark’s account does not state this. I don’t see it in Matthew’s account either… Nor Luke… and John is rather vague…

 

[KJK80]

Per the CCC re: Moses, if this helps you:

2574 Once the promise begins to be fulfilled (Passover, the Exodus, the gift of the Law, and the ratification of the covenant), the prayer of Moses becomes the most striking example of intercessory prayer, which will be fulfilled in "the one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."19
2575 Here again the initiative is God’s. From the midst of the burning bush he calls Moses.20 This event will remain one of the primordial images of prayer in the spiritual tradition of Jews and Christians alike. When “the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob” calls Moses to be his servant, it is because he is the living God who wants men to live. God reveals himself in order to save them, though he does not do this alone or despite them: he calls Moses to be his messenger, an associate in his compassion, his work of salvation. There is something of a divine plea in this mission, and only after long debate does Moses attune his own will to that of the Savior God. But in the dialogue in which God confides in him, Moses also learns how to pray: he balks, makes excuses, above all questions: and it is in response to his question that the Lord confides his ineffable name, which will be revealed through his mighty deeds.
2576 "Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend."21 Moses’ prayer is characteristic of contemplative prayer by which God’s servant remains faithful to his mission. Moses converses with God often and at length, climbing the mountain to hear and entreat him and coming down to the people to repeat the words of his God for their guidance. Moses “is entrusted with all my house. With him I speak face to face, clearly, not in riddles,” for "Moses was very humble, more so than anyone else on the face of the earth."22
2577 From this intimacy with the faithful God, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love,23 Moses drew strength and determination for his intercession. He does not pray for himself but for the people whom God made his own. Moses already intercedes for them during the battle with the Amalekites and prays to obtain healing for Miriam.24 But it is chiefly after their apostasy that Moses “stands in the breach” before God in order to save the people.25 The arguments of his prayer - for intercession is also a mysterious battle - will inspire the boldness of the great intercessors among the Jewish people and in the Church: God is love; he is therefore righteous and faithful; he cannot contradict himself; he must remember his marvelous deeds, since his glory is at stake, and he cannot forsake this people that bears his name.

 

[mchale]

My friend asked me two questions in which I cannot answer. If I researched it enough, I probably could so I am looking for a quick answer here.
One question concerned the OT in which Moses murdered someone, was then called by God to lead with the Ten commandments, only One Commandment was “Thou shalt not kill”, but Moses did kill. Question being is: Why was Moses called by God when he deliberately killed someone?

Well, I have two thoughts to this. The first is that if God was required to use a perfect vessel, then only Jesus and Mary could ever have been used by God. The rest were fallible in some way.

The second thought is that the specific commandment is against murder. Moses killed in the defense of his fellow countryman which one could argue does not count as murder.

Second question was: How did the four Gospel writers know what Pilate spoke to Jesus in private? Did Jesus tell them? The conversation was in private with no one around, so who told them?

Thank you.

I don’t specifically recall the statement that Jesus and Pilate spoke in private… but even assuming they did, I think it is important to note that the concept of privacy in official terms might simply have been not in front of the crowd; not necessarily that no one else was there. In fact it would seem unlikely that Pilate would be left alone with a man undergoing trial.

–
Bill

 

[Righteousone]

Thanks for the answers. My friend probably watched “The Passion” and saw Pilate speak to Jesus in private. I could of sworn that is in the bible. will research when I get the chance…
Now someone told me that it was ok for a man to kill a gentile but not a Jew in those days as Moses did. The man he killed was a gentile…must go read my bible now.

 

[PaulDupre]

Moses killed the Egyptian taskmaster before he was aware of God or of His commandments. Therefore Moses was not culpable to the extent that he would have been after God revealed Himself to Moses.

Also, as someone else pointed out, the command is not “Thou Shalt Not Kill” (which would include plants and animals and would therefore be absurd) but was “Thou Shalt Do No Murder”. Moses did not murder the Egyptian, but slew him in defense of another (which, even now, is an affirmative defense for homicide).

There is nothing in the bible to indicate that Pilate had a private conversation with Jesus. Makes for good movie dialogue though.

Good questions.

Paul

 

[Joe_Kelley]

. . .

I don’t specifically recall the statement that Jesus and Pilate spoke in private… but even assuming they did, I think it is important to note that the concept of privacy in official terms might simply have been not in front of the crowd; not necessarily that no one else was there. In fact it would seem unlikely that Pilate would be left alone with a man undergoing trial.

–
Bill

John 18:28-40

Then they led Jesus from the house of Caiaphas to the praetorium. It was early. They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that they might not be defiled, but might eat the passover. 29* So Pilate went out to them and said, “What accusation do you bring against this man?” 30 They answered him, “If this man were not an evildoer, we would not have handed him over.” 31 Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.” The Jews said to him, “It is not lawful for us to put any man to death.” 32* This was to fulfill the word which Jesus had spoken to show by what death he was to die. 33 Pilate entered the praetorium again and called Jesus, and said to him, “Are you the King of the Jews?” 34 Jesus answered, “Do you say this of your own accord, or did others say it to you about me?” 35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have handed you over to me; what have you done?” 36* Jesus answered, “My kingship is not of this world; if my kingship were of this world, my servants would fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews; but my kingship is not from the world.” 37* Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Every one who is of the truth hears my voice.” 38* Pilate said to him, “What is truth?” After he had said this, he went out to the Jews again, and told them, “I find no crime in him. 39 But you have a custom that I should release one man for you at the Passover; will you have me release for you the King of the Jews?” 40 They cried out again, “Not this man, but Barabbas!” Now Barabbas was a robber.

I presume Jesus must have related the discussion to the apostles during the 40 days after His Resurrection.

 

[mchale]

John 18:28-40 I presume Jesus must have related the discussion to the apostles during the 40 days after His Resurrection.

Just because the Jews did not witness Pilate’s examination of Jesus does not mean there were not other witnesses. I am sure there were guards and likely scribes and potentially other advisors of pilate there. At the very least the guards would have been there when the accused was charged with plotting to overthrow Roman authority.

–
Bill

 

[ralphinal]

Besides, there is no reason to think that during his self-imposed exile, Moses did not repent of the sin of killing the man. I agree with others that he did not commit murder, as there seems to be justification for him being involved (manslaughter perhaps? Accidental death?).

I also agree that there may have been scribes and I am sure there were guards with Pilot and Jesus. My geuss is that the Soldier who proclaimed that Jesus was the Son of God was there, as he was an officer. He probably found the 12 and told them, if not asking them what he meant by these things he said.

 

[Verisimilitude]

My friend asked me two questions in which I cannot answer. If I researched it enough, I probably could so I am looking for a quick answer here.
One question concerned the OT in which Moses murdered someone, was then called by God to lead with the Ten commandments, only One Commandment was “Thou shalt not kill”, but Moses did kill. Question being is: Why was Moses called by God when he deliberately killed someone?

Well, I have two thoughts to this. The first is that if God was required to use a perfect vessel, then only Jesus and Mary could ever have been used by God. The rest were fallible in some way.

The second thought is that the specific commandment is against murder. Moses killed in the defense of his fellow countryman which one could argue does not count as murder. –
Bill

Good question and answer.

Second question was: How did the four Gospel writers know what Pilate spoke to Jesus in private? Did Jesus tell them? The conversation was in private with no one around, so who told them?

Thank you.

Pilates wife may have been the source if the conversation was actually private though I am pretty sure it was not. Even if not, she is still a likely source:
Matthew 27:19
While Pilate was sitting on the judge’s seat, his wife sent him this message: “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him.”

I believe tradition holds she became a follower.

 

[Righteousone]

Yes, soon after, Claudia became a christian, and that makes for the most logical answer would be from her. she related what was said to the others…

 

[vocatio]

I apologize if this has already been sufficiently answered. However, I have to interject that we live in a completely different culture today. We forget that these people in authority had many servants. If you remember from scripture and history many servants became Christian early on. Example of a holywood production is the HBO series “ROME”. If you’ve watched it, and I must give warning…lots of sexual vularity in it. But it is put together well because even while the main figures were engaged in affairs or whatever, there were always servants waiting at their beck and call. They could hear probably most everything.

That’s just one idea to keep in mind. But as RIghteousone said “Claudia became a christian”.