Can you answer this question on Offering up Masses?

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i know that we normally offer masses for those in Purgatory…

but are there other things we can offer a Mass for?

or maybe i should ask:

Is there anything or anyone we cannot offer a Mass for?

thank you so much… 🙂

I am speaking of Masses offered up with a stipend… an indulgence kind of Mass…
 
well… glad i’m not the only one ignorant about this…

hmmmm… :hmmm:
 
They can be offered for the Health and Salvation (as the formula usually goes), in Thanksgiving for a particular favor (including a special anniversary), or “special intention.”
 
They can be offered for the Health and Salvation (as the formula usually goes), in Thanksgiving for a particular favor (including a special anniversary), or “special intention.”
thank you. is this true of RCC teachings?

how well do you know RCC teachings?

(what is Zhogby??)
 
The special intention w/stipend covers a lot of ground:

Wedding Anniversary,
In honour of Our Blessed Mother, or one of the Saints,
For a lost child,
For a bereaved family,
For someone’s children
… the possibilities are almost endless.

If an intention is too private to mention, you can ask that the Mass be celebrated/offered for a special intention. A certain responsibility is sometimes required here to ensure our intention is not disordered.

Then there is how we individually join our offering to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass each time.

"Lord God we ask you to receive us and be pleased with the Sacrifice we offer you with humble and contrite hearts."

One particular priest who replaced our Chaplain (about 8 years ago) for several weeks did something I’ve only seen once in my life:

Just prior to the preparation of the gifts, he took the paten, went in front of the congregation, pointed to the surface of the paten with his finger and said (I’m paraphrasing because he said it in french):

“You see this paten…?..Place all your prayers on this paten… all your thanksgiving…all your concerns … yes, even all your weaknesses…”

That changed the way I pray at Mass.

… Just a few things to consider :twocents:
 
thank you. is this true of RCC teachings?

how well do you know RCC teachings?

(what is Zhogby??)

**If it’s not Roman Catholic teaching, I’d be surprised, as I’ve seen it in countless parish bulletins.

And I’m really puzzled that since you call yourself an orthodox Roman Catholic, you’re not aware of this custom.

As for the Zoghby initiative, you can find it on Wikipedia.**
 
It even gets better distracted. In the Sacramentary (1974 Edition [this one is published by the Canadian Catholic Conference but the American one would be similar] ) there is a considerable section dedicated to Masses and prayers for various needs and occasions.

Some examples of Masses for Various Needs and Occasions in the Sacramentary:
  • For the Universal Church
  • For the Local Church
  • For the Pope
  • For the Election of a Pope
  • For a Council or Synod
  • For Priests
  • For the Priest Himself on the Anniversary of His Ordination
  • For the Spread of the Gospel
  • For the Unity of Christians
  • For Persecuted Christians
  • For Civil Needs" For Nation, Province (State) or City
  • For Peace and Justice
  • In Time of War or Civil Disobedience
  • For Productive Land
  • After the Harvest
  • In Time of Famine, or for Those Who Suffer from Famine
  • For Refugees
  • For Those Unjustly Deprived of Their Liberty
  • For the Sick
  • For The Dying
  • In Time of Earthquake
  • For Rain
  • To Avert Storms
  • For Forgiveness of Sins
  • For Our Oppressors
  • For a Happy Death
… That isn’t even close to listing all of them, but it gives us an idea. The last part of this section of the Sacramentary additionally lists votive Masses as well…Looks like God has us covered. 🙂

God Bless.
 
Is there anything or anyone we cannot offer a Mass for?

thank you so much… 🙂

I am speaking of Masses offered up with a stipend… an indulgence kind of Mass…
I believe a Mass can be offered for every “good” intention,
and cannot be offered for an evil intention.

Regarding who can/cannot have a Mass offered for them,
a Mass cannot be offered for the damned souls in hell.
Every other person - sinners, the righteous, souls in
purgatory, etc qualify to have the Mass offered for them.

God bless us all.
 
You cannot offer up or publicly (as in a Mass) pray for:
  • Anyone who was denied (not necessarily didn’t have, but rather was not permitted to have) a Requiem mass.
  • The unbaptized, except for young infants who’s parents planned on having them Baptized, and Catechumens who are Baptized by desire. Martyrs of the faith are also Baptized by blood.
  • Infidels, heretics, unrepentant sinners, excommunicated, schismatics.
  • Suicides (unless of course they were under mental distress, this is more directed towards those who do it for political motivations for example).
However, you can pray privately for these people, and you should.

Laus Deo
 
The special intention w/stipend covers a lot of ground:

Wedding Anniversary,
In honour of Our Blessed Mother, or one of the Saints,
For a lost child,
For a bereaved family,
For someone’s children
… the possibilities are almost endless.

If an intention is too private to mention, you can ask that the Mass be celebrated/offered for a special intention. A certain responsibility is sometimes required here to ensure our intention is not disordered.

Then there is how we individually join our offering to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass each time.

"Lord God we ask you to receive us and be pleased with the Sacrifice we offer you with humble and contrite hearts."

One particular priest who replaced our Chaplain (about 8 years ago) for several weeks did something I’ve only seen once in my life:

Just prior to the preparation of the gifts, he took the paten, went in front of the congregation, pointed to the surface of the paten with his finger and said (I’m paraphrasing because he said it in french):

“You see this paten…?..Place all your prayers on this paten… all your thanksgiving…all your concerns … yes, even all your weaknesses…”

That changed the way I pray at Mass.

… Just a few things to consider :twocents:
thanks… that last suggestion is a good one… (too bad few Churches i go to use the paten anymore… :()… Vatican II :rolleyes: :mad:
 
It even gets better distracted. In the Sacramentary (1974 Edition [this one is published by the Canadian Catholic Conference but the American one would be similar] ) there is a considerable section dedicated to Masses and prayers for various needs and occasions.

Some examples of Masses for Various Needs and Occasions in the Sacramentary:
  • For the Universal Church
  • For the Local Church
  • For the Pope
  • For the Election of a Pope
  • For a Council or Synod
  • For Priests
  • For the Priest Himself on the Anniversary of His Ordination
  • For the Spread of the Gospel
  • For the Unity of Christians
  • For Persecuted Christians
  • For Civil Needs" For Nation, Province (State) or City
  • For Peace and Justice
  • In Time of War or Civil Disobedience
  • For Productive Land
  • After the Harvest
  • In Time of Famine, or for Those Who Suffer from Famine
  • For Refugees
  • For Those Unjustly Deprived of Their Liberty
  • For the Sick
  • For The Dying
  • In Time of Earthquake
  • For Rain
  • To Avert Storms
  • For Forgiveness of Sins
  • For Our Oppressors
  • For a Happy Death
… That isn’t even close to listing all of them, but it gives us an idea. The last part of this section of the Sacramentary additionally lists votive Masses as well…Looks like God has us covered. 🙂

God Bless.
thanks… I should have known that the Church would allow many intentions… 🙂 What a beautiful Church we have… :heaven:
 
You cannot offer up or publicly (as in a Mass) pray for:
  • Anyone who was denied (not necessarily didn’t have, but rather was not permitted to have) a Requiem mass.
  • The unbaptized, except for young infants who’s parents planned on having them Baptized, and Catechumens who are Baptized by desire. Martyrs of the faith are also Baptized by blood.
  • Infidels, heretics, unrepentant sinners, excommunicated, schismatics.
  • Suicides (unless of course they were under mental distress, this is more directed towards those who do it for political motivations for example).
However, you can pray privately for these people, and you should.

Laus Deo
wow… that’s kinda strange… don’t unrepentent sinners (etc…) need our prayers more than anyone??
:confused:
 
thanks… that last suggestion is a good one… (too bad few Churches i go to use the paten anymore… :()… Vatican II :rolleyes: :mad:
The paten I meant was the one the priest uses during the Mass distracted - …same name as the other one a server might assist with to prevent mishaps during distribution of Holy Communion…which you rightly note: We too rarely see in use nowdays.

answers.com/topic/paten

BTW : Amen ! to “What a beautiful Church we have.”
wow… that’s kinda strange… don’t unrepentent sinners (etc…) need our prayers more than anyone??
:confused:
The focus is more on public naming of the person during the Mass.

Even so,those are general rules to follow but there are exceptions. I know of a Catholic priest with Jewish roots. When his Jewish mom died, he celebrated a Mass for her…he simply didn’t name her publicly during the canon.

I haven’t overly researched this one yet, but we most certainly may pray publicly for our oppressors - what religion or lack of religion they adhere to doesn’t really enter into it [Matt 5:44]. A more in-depth look would be needed, but it may not be appropriate to name them publicly either - but we surely may pray for them publicly - there is a Mass for this express need/purpose.

Furthermore, it would at the very least be debateable who exactly is an unrepentant sinner or who died an unrepentant sinner, because only God knows our inner-most thoughts. That is not so much a case of dogma as it is a case of morals; and when taking morals into account all circumstances need to be considered.

In any event, no prayer for one who was eternally lost (we might recall that this is another category where only God knows that soul’s final destination) would ever be wasted. In such a case God in his unfathomable Mercy would apply the merits of that prayer to a soul dearly in need of it…to a soul who would be eternally grateful for it.

…Just a few more musings 🙂
 
Some examples of Masses for Various Needs and Occasions in the Sacramentary:

These are usually called Votive Masses.
 
Some examples of Masses for Various Needs and Occasions in the Sacramentary:

These are usually called Votive Masses.
We’re in agreement (votiva dona ) . But for whatever reason bpbasilphx, those who arranged this particular version of the Sacramentary chose to include a small collection of Masses # 559- 577 under the heading Votive Masses in a group by themselves , proceeding the Masses For Various Needs and Occasions **(#'s 496-558).

On a similar note, Requiems, technically speaking are also votive Masses, but again, this Sacramentary has them grouped separately under the heading Masses For The Dead (#'s 457-495). It really is amazing how many different Masses can be offered for the dead corresponding to particular conditions.

I was simply trying to give the OP an idea of how vast an area is covered by particular Mass intentions, without getting too far into the intricacies of the Liturgical Calendar.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on something bpbasilphx : In Catholic Encyclopedia it is
stated that,

The unchangeable character of the Eastern liturgies excludes anything really corresponding to our votive Mass. But they have a custom of singing certain troparia, sometimes of reading special lessons on certain anniversaries and occasions, which is virtually what is done in the Latin votive Masses.”

newadvent.org/cathen/15508b.htm

I was wondering if you could expound upon exactly what “troparia” is and whether you’d participated in it at all.

I only have very limited experience in Eastern Liturgy ( attended several Masses in the Church of a friend who is Armenian Catholic…and wasn’t at all literate in the language of the Mass).

🙂
 
In any event, no prayer for one who was eternally lost (we might recall that this is another category where only God knows that soul’s final destination) would ever be wasted. In such a case God in his unfathomable Mercy would apply the merits of that prayer to a soul dearly in need of it…to a soul who would be eternally grateful for it.

…Just a few more musings 🙂
thanks so much… 🙂

so you just can’t offer up a Mass for… say, Nancy Pelosi or Ted Kennedy?

(NOT that i WANT to… ) 😃
 
I believe a Mass can be offered for every “good” intention,
and cannot be offered for an evil intention.

Regarding who can/cannot have a Mass offered for them,
a Mass cannot be offered for the damned souls in hell.
Every other person - sinners, the righteous, souls in
purgatory, etc qualify to have the Mass offered for them.

God bless us all.
heretical Catholics?
 
thanks so much… 🙂

so you just can’t offer up a Mass for… say, Nancy Pelosi or Ted Kennedy?

(NOT that i WANT to… ) 😃
We have to go into the fine print for that one.

My first thoughts would be that we couldn’t have a Mass offered for their intentions, because what they publicly profess is contrary to the faith; it’s error. However we would seem to have every reason to pray for their conversion (everyone’s for that matter - conversion is a lifelong process).

I found a fairly comprehensive article on the subject (link and excerpt directly below). Apparently Masses may be offered for such individuals. However, partially to avoid scandal, it is strictly recommended that such Masses be celebrated privately - exclusively.

oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Sacrifice_of_the_Mass

"…c) For the sake of completeness a third and last question must be touched on in this section: For whom may Mass be celebrated? In general the answer may be given: For all those and for those only, who are fitted to participate in the fruits of the Mass as an impetratory, propitiatory, and satisfactory sacrifice. From this is immediately derived the rule that Mass may not be said for the damned in Hell or the blessed in Heaven, since they are incapable of receiving the fruits of the Mass; for the same reason children who die unbaptized are excluded from the benefits of the Mass. Thus, there remain as the possible participants only the living on earth and the poor souls in purgatory (cf. Trent, Sess. XXII, can. iii; Sess. XXV, decret. de purgat.). Partly out of her great veneration of the Sacrifice, however, and partly to avoid scandal, the Church has surrounded with certain conditions, which priests are bound in obedience to observe, the application of Mass for certain classes of the living and dead. The first class are non-tolerated excommunicated persons, who are to be avoided by the faithful (excommunicate, vitandi). Although, according to various authors, the priest is not forbidden to offer up Mass for such unhappy persons in private and with a merely mental intention, still to announce publicly such a Mass or to insert the name of the excommunicated person in the prayers, even though he may be in the state of grace owing to perfect sorrow or may have died truly repentant, would be a “communicatio in divinis”, and is strictly forbidden under penalty of excommunication (cf. C. 28, de sent. excomm., V, t. 39). It is likewise forbidden to offer the Mass publicly and solemnly for deceased non-Catholics, even though they were princes (Innoc. III C. 12, X, I. 3, tit. 28). On the other hand it is allowed, in consideration of the welfare of the state, to celebrate for a non-Catholic living ruler even a public Solemn Mass. For living heretics and schismatics, also for the Jews, Turks, and heathens, Mass may be privately applied (and even a stipend taken) with the object of procuring for them the grace of conversion to the true Faith. For a deceased heretic the private and hypothetical application of the Mass is allowed only when the priest has good grounds for believing that the deceased held his error in good faith (bona fide. Cf. S. C. Officii, April 7, 1875). To celebrate Mass privately for deceased catechumens is permissible, since we may assume that they are already justified by their desire of Baptism and are in purgatory. In like manner Mass may be celebrated privately for the souls of deceased Jews and heathens, who have led an upright life, since the sacrifice is intended to benefit all who are in purgatory. For further details see Gopfert, “Moraltheologie”, III (5th ed., Paderborn, 1906).
J. POHLE "
 
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