Can you be both Catholic and Buddhist?

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Wow, long thread.

Back to the OP: the answer is yes, a person can authenticly be a Christian and a Buddhist, but I expect it is quite rare.

I know of only two examples. One is a friend I had in Phoenix, Arizona. The other is the world-famous Zen monk Thict Nhat Hahn. Read his book “Living Buddha, Living Christ.” In that book he very clearly and explicitly and with boldness affirms the existence of the Christian God, the trinity, the deity of Jesus, the death and resurrection of Jesus, and the actual body and blood of Jesus in the eucharist. And he does it while remaining an authentic Buddhist monk and teacher. The dude is genuinely Buddhist and Christian, simultaneously.
 
I’ve just jumped into this thread and not read the preceding 200+ posts, so this may have already been said, but to reply to the OP:

In my opinion Buddhism is the philosophy that WOULD be true IF there were no God. That’s why it’s so dangerous, as it looks very much like it describes reality, but get’s most fundamental point completely backwards.

At its heart (and I state this as a fact), Buddhism is the exact opposite of Catholicism. The Buddha’s noble eightfold path teaches one to avoid suffering by embracing nothing. Christ teaches the Catholic must embraces suffering so as to gain everything.

It is impossible to reconcile both the ends and the means of these two great world views.
 
Your ignorance of Buddhism is showing.

See the words of your “devil”:Love others as you love yourself. - Bhadramayakaravyakarana sutra 91.
Now compare that to Matthew 22:39. Does the Bible contain the words of the devil?

There are indeed differences between Christianity and Buddhism, such as their ideas on reincarnation as you mention. That does not mean that all ideas in Buddhism contradict Christianity. Many of the Ten Commandments are perfectly good Buddhism:* You shall not kill.
  • You shall not steal.
  • You shall not commit adultery.
  • You shall not bear false witness.
Are very similar to* avoid injury to living things.
  • avoid taking what is not given.
  • avoid sensual misconduct.
  • avoid false and malicious speech.
rossum
There is a huge difference between YOU SHALL NOT and AVOID. AVOID is such a vague concept. What are the consequences if you cannot such as starving or any other you mentioned??? Our God is straight forward down to a point. If you do this (adultery, murder) and not repent you will not enter into Heavenly Kingdom while Buddhism seams so vague and i really do not understand how can you serve two masters? This is just me humble opinion but I sometimes have a full plate with Catholicism (just look at canon law or dogmas and trying to grasp the beauty and complexity of it all) without adding additionally Buddhism into the picture. It’s just me but I’d rather chose to devote my time learning about Catholicism and trying to be as good Catholic as I can then fall under the New Age trap of mixing and matching what I feel is right. Please note the above is not meant as an accusation to anyone just my personal and very humble point of view.

God bless you all

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Wow, long thread.

Back to the OP: the answer is yes, a person can authenticly be a Christian and a Buddhist, but I expect it is quite rare.

I know of only two examples. One is a friend I had in Phoenix, Arizona. The other is the world-famous Zen monk Thict Nhat Hahn. Read his book “Living Buddha, Living Christ.” In that book he very clearly and explicitly and with boldness affirms the existence of the Christian God, the trinity, the deity of Jesus, the death and resurrection of Jesus, and the actual body and blood of Jesus in the eucharist. And he does it while remaining an authentic Buddhist monk and teacher. The dude is genuinely Buddhist and Christian, simultaneously.
Rossum,

As a Christian I have to disagree. The sense he gives Christian ideas is not one compatible with historic, orthodox Christianity. I wouldn’t expect it to be–he’s translating Christian concepts into a basically Buddhist framework and of course that changes them radically. But I do object to people claiming that he has somehow successfully combined the two. Instead, he is offering a very sympathetic reading of Christian ideas from a fundamentally Buddhist perspective.

(We can of course argue over what makes someone a Christian. But I’m not sure he would actually claim to be a Christian–anyway, my point is that this isn’t a “Christianity” most Christians would recognize.)

Edwin
 
There is a huge difference between YOU SHALL NOT and AVOID.
The Buddha is not a god. He offers advice, he does not issue orders. If you do not want to follow his advice then that is your decision and you will have to live with the consequences.
What are the consequences if you cannot
Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with an evil mind then suffering will follow you,
as the wheel follows the draught ox.

Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with a pure mind then happiness will follow you,
as a shadow that never leaves.

Dhammapada 1:1-2
Our God is straight forward down to a point. If you do this (adultery, murder) and not repent you will not enter into Heavenly Kingdom while Buddhism seams so vague
In Buddhism there is no repentance; actions have consequences. There are no “Get out of Hell Free” cards, as there are in Christianity.Neither in the sky nor in mid-ocean,
nor in a cave in the mountains,
is there a place where a man
can escape his evil deed.

Dhammapada 9:12
Buddhism does not have the concept of “sin” so neither does it have the concept of “forgiveness of sin”. If you do the crime then you do the time. Recall that in Buddhism all the hells are temporary, not permanent. Of course the same is true for all the heavens as well.
i really do not understand how can you serve two masters?
Here we agree. Some ideas from Christianity can be useful as part of Buddhist practice. Some ideas from Buddhism can be useful as part of Christian practice. However it seems to me that the underlying theories of the two religions are too different to be held simultaneously.

rossum
 
As a Christian I have to disagree. The sense he [Thict Nhat Hahn] gives Christian ideas is not one compatible with historic, orthodox Christianity.
Well, as a Christian I say that THN’s treatment of the religion is indeed compatible with historic, orthodox belief.

The essential, non-negotiable points of Buddhism are:
(1) dependent origination, or emptiness, or non-self (three ways of getting at the same idea)
(2) the Four Noble Truths
(3) the Five Precepts

Everything else is commentary and personal tradition. All of it can be found inside Christianity. Therefore, Buddhism can fit with Christianity. Most Buddhists unfortunately are as close-minded as, well, Christians, so they object to joining with anybody else as strongly as we object to joining with, well, everybody else including even non-Catholic Christians.

The Five Precepts are commonly expanded to ten, but those ten are also within Christianity. Whether you count five or ten it’s actually the same as Christian morality.

Although the Buddha constructed Buddhism without recourse to any god, the concept of a deity does not conflict with essential Buddhist doctrine. For one thing the Pali canon is full of references to Brahma and spirits and demigods. More to the point perhaps, Pure Land Buddhism most definitely treats Amida Buddha as it’s “God.”

The reason given in the Long Discourses for Buddha not following any particular god was that he did not know of any school with a lineage going back to any person who had actually gone to heaven. In other words, all the priests in all the schools of India back in the days of the Buddha, had made it up. But that objection does not apply to Catholicism or Orthodoxy, nor does it universally apply to Protestant bodies as some of them have clean connections back to the Roman Church. Furthermore, the Buddha specifically based his teachings of dependent origination and the Four Noble Truths and the Precepts on experience. Christianity has that in spades in the lives of all the saints. The gospel and epistles of Saint John, for example, are exclusively written from experience. The numerous Desert Fathers and Mothers, Mother Teresa, Saint Francis, “The Dark Night of the Soul” book, etc etc, all point to God being experienced. There it is. We also own the Buddha’s personal test for truth.

Even Buddhist rebirth can fit with Christianity. First, not all Buddhist believe it. Rebirth is completely irrelevant to Zen, for example, proving that it is not an essential part of Buddhism. But if we want to keep it, rebirth is not too different from the concept of purgatory and the final resurrection. We could meet in the middle with the Buddhists by expanding our ideas of purgatory in the right way. Catholics already go beyond the catechism as it is, so we’re not asking too much. The purpose of rebirth is purification: those who come back come back because they are not yet perfected in their character. And they don’t necessarily come back to Earth. There are other realms to be born into, that vary on the pleasantness scale. The purpose of purgatory is purification too, and where exactly is it? And what exactly does it entail? And will your purgatory feel the same as mine? Will it even be the same as mine? The catechism doesn’t say. At the final resurrection a soul will be matched up with an old body that is now a new body because the old body was gone. In rebirth, a soul is matched up with a new body that is a new body. Kinda the same, really.
 
The reason given in the Long Discourses for Buddha not following any particular god was that he did not know of any school with a lineage going back to any person who had actually gone to heaven. In other words, all the priests in all the schools of India back in the days of the Buddha, had made it up.
This is an interesting point. I think, though, that the issue wasn’t that the priests that the Buddha met had not gone to heaven, but that they had not seen the deities that they were praying to. (That could be explained quite easily by invoking the decline of the Vedic priesthood from its earlier glory, c. 2000 BCE, compared to the Buddha’s time of c. 500 BCE.)
 
Long Discourses sutta 13 is the one I’m thinking of. Yes, in that sutta the Buddha did ask if anyone had seen Brahma (their god) or heard the voices of any deities. He also asked if anyone had experienced half a day of happiness. Such a person would, thereby, know the path to an entirely happy world. As it was, no one had heard Brahma and no one knew the path to a happy world.
 
Even Buddhist rebirth can fit with Christianity. First, not all Buddhist believe it. Rebirth is completely irrelevant to Zen, for example, proving that it is not an essential part of Buddhism. But if we want to keep it, rebirth is not too different from the concept of purgatory and the final resurrection. We could meet in the middle with the Buddhists by expanding our ideas of purgatory in the right way. Catholics already go beyond the catechism as it is, so we’re not asking too much. The purpose of rebirth is purification: those who come back come back because they are not yet perfected in their character. And they don’t necessarily come back to Earth. There are other realms to be born into, that vary on the pleasantness scale. The purpose of purgatory is purification too, and where exactly is it? And what exactly does it entail? And will your purgatory feel the same as mine? Will it even be the same as mine? The catechism doesn’t say. At the final resurrection a soul will be matched up with an old body that is now a new body because the old body was gone. In rebirth, a soul is matched up with a new body that is a new body. Kinda the same, really.
I would generally agree with the ultimate compatibility of Buddhist and Christian eschatology. I would agree that not all Buddhist believe in “reincarnation” because reincarnation is more of a Hindu and Jain (and Sikh) idea, in which “a non-changing entity” enters into different physical and spiritual bodies over several lifetimes. Buddhists, instead, would speak of “rebirth”, a process of continuity-within-change, in which the locus of awareness (which is not an “entity”) associates or binds itself to physical-and-mental processes (or body-minds). (Nirvana would be the “un-binding” of awareness from any one physical-and-mental process.)

In Christianity, there is the Resurrection of the body, which is really the Resurrection of the physical-and-mental process (or body-mind) that you call “yourself”. Traditional Christian language has supposed that the Resurrected body-mind will be completely static, unchanging, and non-processual – and, thus, apparently incompatible with the Buddhist notion of a constantly changing body-mind. But I think that the Christian idea of the Resurrected body can accommodate the notion that the Resurrected body will, in fact, be a body that can change, adapt, and evolve. The important thing about the Resurrected body, which makes it different from our present body, is that the Resurrected body (though still “physical”) will be amenable to conscious control in ways unlike our present body. For instance, in the Resurrection body, we may be able to manipulate its atoms and molecules, regenerating our organs and thus attaining a type of immortality.

Such a Resurrection body might seem incompatible with the Buddhist notion of impermanence and not-self, but I would say otherwise, The Resurrection body would still be impermanent, in the sense that it would change, adapt, and evolve, and its organs will be able to grow and metabolize – but such change would also be under the conscious control of the person, preventing the bodily degradation we know as death.

The Resurrection body, thus, would also not be “self”, because it would in fact change, even if its mutability were controllable to a much greater degree than our current body.

Alternatively, the Resurrected body might be analogous to the “diamond body” of Vajrayana Buddhism.
 
Would Alan Watts count as someone who considered himself both Christian and Buddhist? Does anyone know how he described his religious affiliation(s)?
 
I would say Alan is a Christian-Buddhist. He wrote in depth on both subjects and even relates the two.
 
I would say Alan is a Christian-Buddhist. He wrote in depth on both subjects and even relates the two.
My impression was that he had quite decidedly rejected Christianity in favor of Buddhism.

Edwin
 
Well, as a Christian I say that THN’s treatment of the religion is indeed compatible with historic, orthodox belief.
I admit that he lost me when he said that Christians should portray Jesus in the lotus position instead of on the Cross. That betrayed a fundamental lack of willingness to understand what makes Christianity distinctive.

Again, I respect THN greatly and think there is much Christians can learn from him, and I am glad that he sees much of value in Christianity.

I agree that the ethics of the two religions are basically compatible, although at least some forms of Buddhism–principally Zen–don’t seem to make ethics as fundamental as Christianity does. Ultimate reality, for Buddhists–at least for Zen Buddhists–seems to transcend the dichotomy of good and evil. I suppose that’s true in Christianity in the sense that Christians don’t think evil is real in the way good is, but I’m not sure that’s the same thing–we wouldn’t agree that good is itself a penultimate reality dependent on evil for its existence. (I’m following Masao Abe’s analysis of the differences between Christianity and Zen–I recognize that other Buddhists, like THN, might disagree with Abe.)
Although the Buddha constructed Buddhism without recourse to any god, the concept of a deity does not conflict with essential Buddhist doctrine.
But the Christian God isn’t “a deity.” God is an ultimate, transcendent, eternally unchanging being. Doesn’t Buddhism deny the possibility of such a thing?

All your points are extremely interesting and I intend to consider them more fully! Thanks for an excellent post!

Edwin
 
I admit that he lost me when he said that Christians should portray Jesus in the lotus position instead of on the Cross. That betrayed a fundamental lack of willingness to understand what makes Christianity distinctive.
Huh?! That’s so not how he speaks of Christianity in “Living Buddha, Living Christ” !! (Maybe he wrote whatever you read that in, long before he wrote the other book?)
I agree that the ethics of the two religions are basically compatible, although at least some forms of Buddhism–principally Zen–don’t seem to make ethics as fundamental as Christianity does.
That’s my experience too, although of course one can always find the exceptions.
But the Christian God isn’t “a deity.” God is an ultimate, transcendent, eternally unchanging being. Doesn’t Buddhism deny the possibility of such a thing?
That bothered me for awhile too. I’m at the point now, though, where I don’t see any school of Buddhism (be it Soto Zen or Theravada or whatever) as monolithic. Think of Christianity: the Southern Baptists say X, and the American Baptists say Y, and the UMC says Z, and so on and so on. There is diversity even within the Roman Catholic Church. With all that as the background, why can’t the Christian God be compatible with a form of Buddhism? It might not be the form of Buddhism that So-and-So likes, but maybe my form of Christianity is not the form of Christianity that So-and-So likes.
 
Huh?! That’s so not how he speaks of Christianity in “Living Buddha, Living Christ” !! (Maybe he wrote whatever you read that in, long before he wrote the other book?)
That’s definitely the book I read it in. But I may have taken it out of context and not paid enough attention to his general teaching about Christianity. I will go back and give the book another try when I get the chance!

Edwin
 
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